It it possible to run a space duel pcb in an asteroids cab?

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Sure...go for it..

totally different power supply,
totally different monitor,
totally differant connectors.

Plug it in.....see what happens...have the fire department standing
by....

On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 23:02:05 +0100, "simon"
<simonjhanlon@btopenworld.com> wrote:

>Can I connect the colour outputs together in some way to view the image in
>Black and white?
>
 

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that wasn't my question! I know the monitor is different I also know the
audio/power board is different as I have one for space duel and I know you
can't just it in!!!! But it should be possible to view the game in black and
white as you can run asteroids on a colour vector monitor no problem. A
sensible answer would be nice
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> Sure...go for it..
>
> totally different power supply,
> totally different monitor,
> totally differant connectors.
>
> Plug it in.....see what happens...have the fire department standing
> by....
>
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 23:02:05 +0100, "simon"
> <simonjhanlon@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
> >Can I connect the colour outputs together in some way to view the image
in
> >Black and white?
> >
>
 
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ok..

NO.


On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 23:43:55 +0100, "simon"
<simonjhanlon@btopenworld.com> wrote:

>that wasn't my question! I know the monitor is different I also know the
>audio/power board is different as I have one for space duel and I know you
>can't just it in!!!! But it should be possible to view the game in black and
>white as you can run asteroids on a colour vector monitor no problem. A
>sensible answer would be nice
><ArcadeNO@SPAMshaw.ca> wrote in message
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>> Sure...go for it..
>>
>> totally different power supply,
>> totally different monitor,
>> totally differant connectors.
>>
>> Plug it in.....see what happens...have the fire department standing
>> by....
>>
>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 23:02:05 +0100, "simon"
>> <simonjhanlon@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Can I connect the colour outputs together in some way to view the image
>in
>> >Black and white?
>> >
>>
>
 
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OK... Let's see if we can be a little more helpful....

1) The connector's pinouts are totally different. You would have to make
some sort of adapter.

2) Space Duel requires +22 and -22v. The Asteroids power supply doesn't
provide that. You would need to incorporate an ARII from a Space Duel (or
compatible) as well as the transformer block it plugs-in to. You would need
to keep the Asteroids power block as well as the monitor is powered off of
that.

3) It is possible to run a color vector game on a b&w vector monitor. Check
out appendix C in the following doc:
http://www.ionpool.net/arcade/tech/bw_vector_monitor_faq.pdf

So, to answer your question more politely, it can be done but it would
require a lot of effort/parts.

Good luck!
-roy-



<ArcadeNO@SPAMshaw.ca> wrote in message
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> ok..
>
> NO.
>
>
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 23:43:55 +0100, "simon"
> <simonjhanlon@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>>that wasn't my question! I know the monitor is different I also know the
>>audio/power board is different as I have one for space duel and I know you
>>can't just it in!!!! But it should be possible to view the game in black
>>and
>>white as you can run asteroids on a colour vector monitor no problem. A
>>sensible answer would be nice
>><ArcadeNO@SPAMshaw.ca> wrote in message
>>news:1ec8615urdd4fbh1uk827u82th3n79jbeh@4ax.com...
>>> Sure...go for it..
>>>
>>> totally different power supply,
>>> totally different monitor,
>>> totally differant connectors.
>>>
>>> Plug it in.....see what happens...have the fire department standing
>>> by....
>>>
>>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 23:02:05 +0100, "simon"
>>> <simonjhanlon@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Can I connect the colour outputs together in some way to view the image
>>in
>>> >Black and white?
>>> >
>>>
>>
>
 
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Simon if you have a dual trace oscilloscope set for X-Y you should be
able to see the video output.

On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 23:43:55 +0100, "simon"
<simonjhanlon@btopenworld.com> wrote:

>that wasn't my question! I know the monitor is different I also know the
>audio/power board is different as I have one for space duel and I know you
>can't just it in!!!! But it should be possible to view the game in black and
>white as you can run asteroids on a colour vector monitor no problem. A
>sensible answer would be nice
><ArcadeNO@SPAMshaw.ca> wrote in message
>news:1ec8615urdd4fbh1uk827u82th3n79jbeh@4ax.com...
>> Sure...go for it..
>>
>> totally different power supply,
>> totally different monitor,
>> totally differant connectors.
>>
>> Plug it in.....see what happens...have the fire department standing
>> by....
>>
>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 23:02:05 +0100, "simon"
>> <simonjhanlon@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Can I connect the colour outputs together in some way to view the image
>in
>> >Black and white?
>> >
>>
>
>

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<ArcadeNO@SPAMshaw.ca> wrote in message
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> Sure...go for it..
>
> totally different power supply,
> totally different monitor,
> totally differant connectors.
>
> Plug it in.....see what happens...have the fire department standing
> by....

thats a really harsh answer - ever dawn on you that perhaps he has 2
cabinets, will have them side by side with their own power supplies running
the appropriate boards and monitors, and he will use jumpers for the vector
signals?

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simon <simonjhanlon@btopenworld.com> wrote:
: Can I connect the colour outputs together in some way to view the image in
: Black and white?


Not without a signficant amount of hacking.

The biggest issue is that asteroids runs on 22VAC, and space duel runs on
DC...


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The easiest way that I can see to do this is to go for one of Zonns
Zektor boards and run Vectormame on your Asteroids PSU and monitor.
I've had SD up and running on a G05 805 and it looked and played fine
(as did Major Havoc!).

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simon <simonjhanlon@btopenworld.com> wrote:
: Can I connect the colour outputs together in some way to view the image in
: Black and white?

Assumeing you've already taken care of the voltage issues everyone else is
bringing up:

You don't need to combine them. There is a Z testpoint on the board that
gives you a BW intensity value.

The board doesn't actually generate 3 different color signals. It generates
a single color intensity (the Z), then hooks that signal up to one or more of
the color guns to generate 7 colors.

What it can't do is mix, say 100% blue with 30% yellow for a different shade
of green than 30% blue and 100% yellow.



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Yes I have the power issues sorted as I have the AR11 and edge connector to
rewire. It was just the output for the vector monitor I was curious about. I
have seen colour boards connected to scopes before so I saw no reason why I
couldn't run my space duel on my 19" B&W. Is it true that Tempest was
originally designed to be B&W?

Thanks very much for the info Esp. the Z out Tip.

Simon
"Christopher X. Candreva" <chris@westnet.com> wrote in message
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> simon <simonjhanlon@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> : Can I connect the colour outputs together in some way to view the image
in
> : Black and white?
>
> Assumeing you've already taken care of the voltage issues everyone else is
> bringing up:
>
> You don't need to combine them. There is a Z testpoint on the board that
> gives you a BW intensity value.
>
> The board doesn't actually generate 3 different color signals. It
generates
> a single color intensity (the Z), then hooks that signal up to one or more
of
> the color guns to generate 7 colors.
>
> What it can't do is mix, say 100% blue with 30% yellow for a different
shade
> of green than 30% blue and 100% yellow.
>
>
>
> --
> ==========================================================
> Chris Candreva -- chris@westnet.com -- (914) 967-7816
> WestNet Internet Services of Westchester
> http://www.westnet.com/
 

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So here is what I have. An upright Asteroids, I actually have the Cabaret
and the cocktial games too hence a new game to play. An AR2 from a
Battlezone and a space duel PCB. so If I run the Asteroids Monitor from its
PSU and put the AR2 in place of the AR1 and then make up a harness to bring
the correct voltages/ Controls to the SD PCB. All I need to do then is
connect the X/Y Out to the monitior X/Y and the Z out test pin on the SD to
the Z on the monitor and I should be fine.....Right?
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> simon <simonjhanlon@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> : Can I connect the colour outputs together in some way to view the image
in
> : Black and white?
>
> Assumeing you've already taken care of the voltage issues everyone else is
> bringing up:
>
> You don't need to combine them. There is a Z testpoint on the board that
> gives you a BW intensity value.
>
> The board doesn't actually generate 3 different color signals. It
generates
> a single color intensity (the Z), then hooks that signal up to one or more
of
> the color guns to generate 7 colors.
>
> What it can't do is mix, say 100% blue with 30% yellow for a different
shade
> of green than 30% blue and 100% yellow.
>
>
>
> --
> ==========================================================
> Chris Candreva -- chris@westnet.com -- (914) 967-7816
> WestNet Internet Services of Westchester
> http://www.westnet.com/
 
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simon <simonjhanlon@btopenworld.com> wrote:

: the correct voltages/ Controls to the SD PCB. All I need to do then is
: connect the X/Y Out to the monitior X/Y and the Z out test pin on the SD to
: the Z on the monitor and I should be fine.....Right?

Yes.

I would also check that the transformer designed for an AR1 is compatible
with an AR2

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will do. Cheers
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> simon <simonjhanlon@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
> : the correct voltages/ Controls to the SD PCB. All I need to do then is
> : connect the X/Y Out to the monitior X/Y and the Z out test pin on the SD
to
> : the Z on the monitor and I should be fine.....Right?
>
> Yes.
>
> I would also check that the transformer designed for an AR1 is compatible
> with an AR2
>
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