Itanium opteron Q1 2004 sale figure

[juin]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/28/itanium_opteron_q104/

It clear that itanium command much bigger systemes.I have read HP projection in 2003 and so far they are very close to reality.So projected itanium server sale for 2004 will reach about 1.1 billion to 1.5 billion.

Opteron just put itself in the same place xeon was few year ago 2 way or lower on windows and linux lack of software that can use it 64 bit also lack of certification.Server sale will reach about 500 to 800 million for 2004.In 2005 thing sould start to pick up for opteron.

i need to change useur name.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by juin on 05/28/04 06:33 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[TheRod]

<A HREF="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/28/itanium_opteron_q104/" target="_new">Clicky!</A>

I can't believe how IT department are politically driven... Over 1 million Xeon and only 31000 Opteron sold in Q1-04. Wow! And most review sites reports that the Opteron outperform the Xeon. Maybe someday, IT will become more technology/performance driven than polically driven.

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What's the <b><font color=green>AMD Mobile Athlon 64</font color=green></b> overclocking potential? <b>It's huge!</b><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheRod on 05/28/04 11:12 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[HardWareBoss]

Link no work no more.

 

[juin]

The benchmark philsophie dont work everywhere.

On sap 2 tier TPC 3D rendering Xeon have no probleme dealing with opteron.

i need to change useur name.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by juin on 05/28/04 11:10 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[TheRod]

Corrected I had a line break into the URL tag. Oups!

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[TheRod]

I know that Opteron are not ALWAYS faster than Xeon, but they are faster in many apps and they are 64bit ready. this is a BIG advantage if you think in long-term investment. Servers are often kept for a long period of time. And when you think you would only have to buy software and no new hardware to turn your server or server farm into "64bit", it's a strong sell point.

It's why I difficulty to understand the "IT professionnals" that recommends/buy Xeon box that will be use with software that are faster or equal on Opteron knowing the Opteron BOX is 64bit-ready.

Like I said, it's mostly politics! If you work in a shop where IT are strong or big you would understand my point. These "machines" are very slow to move or catch on new technology/providers/etc... It's kind of pathetic!

<b>REAL LIFE EXAMPLE OF "PROFESSIONAL IT DEPARTMENT" :</b>
One guy that work with needed a new software in is Laptop. The IT installed the software, but it always crash is Laptop because he only have 256Megs of RAM and he runs 5-10 apps at once. The new software needed too much RAM. The IT corrected is problem not by adding more ram to is Laptop, but by installing a second PC at the guys desk. And they only installed the new software it that PC. So, now, he have to switch from one PC to another and he can't copy/paste from one apps. to the other.

The justification : The PC was not used by anyone, so it's cost is 0$ and buying more RAM for the Laptop would have cost 100$/200$. They didn't look at the productivity lost by having 2 PC or at the cost of the electricy or the support cost of this second PC. And if they had sold that PC, they would probably had made the money to buy the Laptop RAM. Is this pathetic???

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[sonoran]

>>>I can't believe how IT department are politically driven

Actually, most IT departments are probably more reliability driven. In that environment you want machines that work - flawlessly - day in and day out. Gaining that reputation for reliability does not happen overnight.

 

[TheRod]

Actually, most IT departments are probably more reliability driven.

If you are not sure of something, you can't affirm it.

I work for a Carrier/ISP that have a gib IT departent and a big telecomm department too. We buy millions dollars worth of equipment a year. And I can confirm you this : politics, price and features (in that order) come first when it's time to choose equipment. Then reliability.

Do you really think HP and IBM would sell Opteron based system if they were not reliable?

Most IT department director, don't know much about technology, they care about money and PR. They are invited by representatives that hype their products, etc... Often director, ask for at least 2 or 3 possible scenarios and when come time to buy, they put these scenario in a balance considering the gifts/politics/etc... This often biased the final decisions that are made. But we can't do anything about this, we are not the big boss that can sign the milion dollar check.

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[HardWareBoss]

Thanks for the fix.

 

[savantu]

Yes....
HP's Opteron servers have no error protection.(no ECC,chipkill and the rest).Dunno , about IBM or Sun.
Secondly they are more expensive than equally performing Xeons.

What IT manager would buy such servers for mission critical environments???Xeons have been credited with top-notch reliability.
Not a single manager will buy a server just because it is 10% faster at webserving.
If that was the case ,Sun,IBM and HP would have long since died...

Thank God that smart people buy servers.Otherwise 911s in the banking world would have been common.

Long live Intel!

From the darkside...you know!

 

[EugeneMc]

<i>HP's Opteron servers have no error protection.(no ECC,chipkill and the rest).</i>

What are you talking about?

<A HREF="http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/proliantdl145/benefits.html" target="_new">http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/proliantdl145/benefits.html</A>

<b>"Offers standard PC2700 ECC DDR SDRAM</b> expandable to 16GB to provide increased bandwidth for high uptime and memory performance"


<i>Secondly they are more expensive than equally performing Xeons.</i>

sure? another intel fanboy misleading statetment?

-ProLiant DL140 Dual Intel® Xeon™ Processor 3.20GHz/533MHz-1MB, 1GB (Rack): since $2,999.00
-ProLiant DL145 AMD Opteron™ 2.2GHz/ 1MB, 2GB - Rack Model: since $2,999.00

-ProLiant DL140 Dual Intel® Xeon™ Processor 3.06GHz/533MHz-512KB, 1GB (Rack): since $2,099.00
-ProLiant DL145 AMD Opteron™ 1.8GHz/ 1MB, 2GB - Rack Model: since $2,199.00

-ProLiant DL140 Dual Intel® Xeon™ Processor 2.40GHz/533MHz-512KB, 1GB (Rack): since $1,499.00
-ProLiant DL145 AMD Opteron™ 1.6GHz/ 1MB, 1GB - Rack Model: since $1,599.00


Of course, Opteron 248, 244 and 242 simply smokes Xeon 3.2, 3.06 and 2.4 in server perfomance...


...because, now, let´s talk about webserving perfomance...

<i>Not a single manager will buy a server just because it is 10% faster at webserving.</i>

<A HREF="http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/benchmarks/dl145-webbench.pdf" target="_new">http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/benchmarks/dl145-webbench.pdf</A>

<A HREF="http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/benchmarks/index.html#2P" target="_new">http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/benchmarks/index.html#2P</A>

<i>"The performance measurements were conducted on the 32-bit version of Microsoft® Windows Server 2003 using Ziff Davis Media Inc.’s WebBench™ 5.0 benchmark. The benchmark results showed: <b>the 2P ProLiant DL145 is 57% faster than the ProLiant DL140, the 1P ProLiant DL145 is 44% faster than the ProLiant DL140</b>, and the ProLiant DL145 with dual processors achieved a 39% higher performance score than with a single processor. <b>The ProLiant DL140 only showed 28% performance scalability. This represents a 39% processor scalability advantage for the ProLiant DL145 over the ProLiant DL140.</b></i>



Fanboys, go out.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by eugeneMC on 05/29/04 02:43 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[Xeon]

ECC internally I think is what he is trying to get at.

Xeon

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[P4Man]

If I'm not mistaken, even the K6 and the original pentium had ECC protected caches. If not, I'm damn sure both the K7 and P3/Xeon had them (and obviously any current cpu, including opteron).

He has a point about chipkil and memory raid that is supported on the 4 way xeons (but not most 2 way ones)that use the serverworks chipset, and afaik, there is no AMD chipset that supports this yet (even though the cpu itselve definately supports chipkill). Not that is such a big issue IMHO, chipkill is something that is usefull for highend high availability systems running VMS or Nonstop, but really pretty much a non issue when you are running windows or linux. Its like complaining about the absense of windows airbags and ESP on a T-Ford or something 😉 It wouldnt have a meaningfull impact on sales figures.

A more obvious explanation is that both HP and Sun only started shipping opteron boxes recently, so I expect Q2 figures to be a bit better already.

= The views stated herein are my personal views, and not necessarily the views of my wife. =

 

[savantu]

http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/proliantdl585/index.html

Chill out.I wasn't too explicit.I asked for something more than basic ECC.I fail to see Opteron's advanced RAS features, or at least something comparable with the Xeons.




Long live Intel!

From the darkside...you know!

 

[TheRod]

HP's Opteron servers have no error protection.(no ECC,chipkill and the rest).

It's impossible, since the memory controller of the Opteron's is embedded. Opteron can't work without ECC memory.

Thank God that smart people buy servers.Otherwise 911s in the banking world would have been common.

By the way, many Banks software are working on IBM mainframe, not Intel machines.

Long live Intel!

I agree, the I will add this : Long live AMD too!


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