Question I've built a new system and some parts are running worse than they should be.

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Hi, I've just built a whole new PC and i wanted to just ask some questions about the build and to discuss solutions for why some of my parts aren't working as they should be.

Specs:
Corsair 5000D Airflow Case
ASUS PRIME Z-690-P D4 WiFi Motherboard
Intel Core i5-12600k
RTX GeForce Gigabyte Vision OC 3070 ti
Corsair Vengeance 3200Mhz CL16 4x8gb RAM
Samsung 980 PRO NVMe M.2 500GB (Boot)
Samsung 970 PRO NVMe M.2 2TB
Seagate Baracuda 2TB HHD
Lian-Li Galahad 360mm AIO
3x Lian-Li Uni Fans 1900 RPM
7x EZ-DIY FAB Moonlight fans 1300 RPM


I did have a Aorus 3070 ti master but have since changed it for the Vision OC 3070ti for aesthetic reasons and i have read its not a major difference. this is the bench with this card in https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/54027007 (Overclocked)

When i first booted up my computer and ran a benchmark everything seemed fine, my parts were running average but my GPU is for some reason running below average without overclocking. (https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/54089092) also my CPU is apparently throttling even though my CPU temps are completely fine running 30-40 on rest and 70 being the max I've managed to run even under full stress, and i've read online that it doesn't generally mean anything when user benchmark says your CPU is throttling? I have also ran a few cinebench throttle benchmarks and all seems fine so please let me know if im overlooking this or should actually be concerned about this?

Also something to note is that this is my CPU overclocked

But my concern has came after i have began to overclock my GPU in MSI Afterburner. I managed to get my CPU to core clock at 90+ and memory clock at 900+ https://gofile.io/d/XGsJnE and not crash Kombustor but none of this has seemed to make a big improvement to my performance and is still running below my potential. https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/54089092

https://gofile.io/d/hk5Ca0 (3D Mark) this is my 3DMark score too, and again its still below average even though i have overclocked everything i can and tried to boost performance.

And where it gets really weird is when i optimized my PC a few days ago, i watched a video about what settings to turn off on ect to increase my performance, i didn't benchmark my after but decided to run one just now and i got a 1st percentile performance? https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/54135586 ive also noticed a 20 frame drop in the game i was playing the day before but just assumed it was due to a different part of the map.

The video i watched it this:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH2FCmBg7VA&t=311s&ab_channel=50Fifty
, the steps i took are:
  1. Disabled most of the performance options 1:50
  2. enabled a boosted power plan, the Norton Utilities premium - Ultra performance https://gofile.io/d/hG3rgQ 2:40
  3. disabled notifications and programs i don't need in the Home settings. 3:20
  4. Disabled Xbox Game bar and enabled Game Mode and added 1 game to boosted performance https://gofile.io/d/e3F6IY 4:40
  5. And did nothing else after this, i purposely avoided activating more cores on boot because i've seen problems occur from doing this.
The only other thing i have done in the past day is download a bunch of games, play a bunch of games and i created a scheduled boot in the task wizard but i cant see how any of this can hit my performance this hard or cause a problem at all.
Can someone please quickly go through this video and tell me if anything from here could be the reason for this sudden performance drop?

Disclaimer before i continue but i know that User benchmark can be crap for somethings and i was going to ignore this but this feels too consistent to be BS, ive ran a dozen benchmarks for different scenarios to check what could be the problem for my performances but i cant to make sense of this.

another thing to mention is that i have MX-4 Arctic thermal paste applied on my pc however it is 2 years old and just wondering if that could be a problem later on? my temps now are completely normal but im not the expert here so any concerns?

I should have a restore point to get to before i did these changes and if this does fix my problems then i will delete this post but if not then can someone please help me, my last computer was 3 years old and still way above average after optimizing my PC and i cant even manage to get above average after optimizing?
 

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Update:
i did the restore although i dont think it was far back enough and i dont have a restore point to get there

But i did a benchmark and found the same results, 1st percentile.
But then i changed my power plan again (to the same one i had on before) but now its performing to around below average. https://gofile.io/d/66WlKP

I would still like to get this to an above average performance especially considering i should have the specs to easily do so.
 
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First thing to do is remove all overclocks. They complicate diagnosing a problem.

Second, was this a full, fresh Windows install?
Just got off my pc so I'll have a look when I'm back on

And it's the same ssd I used as boot on my last pc, I'm not sure if it's a 'fresh'Windows install, i guess it is but I have my old Windows on the drive along with my new one?
 

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Just got off my pc so I'll have a look when I'm back on

And it's the same ssd I used as boot on my last pc, I'm not sure if it's a 'fresh'Windows install, i guess it is but I have my old Windows on the drive along with my new one?
I don't understand this reply.

Did you wipe the OS drive and do a full, fresh install of Windows when starting this new build up for the first time?
 

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honestly im not entirely sure what i did, i had the OS the SSD which i moved onto my new pc, when i booted with my windows installation it told me there was already a windows installation and it told me whether i wanted to update it or something similar and i ended up with my new windows and a file with my old windows.

And either way i dont see this being the problem, it was completely fine when i first booted my pc for 3 days infact, then as soon as i did some tweaks; which i don't even think could be remotely the problem, it went to sh't

And Update: I woke up and ran another benchmark and its somehow even worse than when i left it, i just updated my BIOS and ran another benchmark and its even worse than it was before????
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/54144122 my CPU is now running at the 0th percentile, absolute terribly performance but my PC seems to be running completely fine, its fast, and haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary?
 

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https://gofile.io/d/IQRLhSHi, I just built a PC about a week ago, everything was running completely average until 2 days ago when i followed a video on YouTube to optimize my PC, i did a benchmark the day after and noticed my CPU is running shockingly bad in user benchmark.

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/54144122 Its running at the 0th percentile for my CPU

Specs:
Corsair 5000D Airflow Case
ASUS PRIME Z-690-P D4 WiFi Motherboard
Intel Core i5-12600k
RTX GeForce Gigabyte Vision OC 3070 ti
Corsair Vengeance 3200Mhz CL16 4x8gb RAM
Samsung 980 PRO NVMe M.2 500GB (Boot)
Samsung 970 PRO NVMe M.2 2TB
Seagate Baracuda 2TB HHD
Lian-Li Galahad 360mm AIO
3x Lian-Li Uni Fans 1900 RPM
7x EZ-DIY FAB Moonlight fans 1300 RPM
Corsair 850w Gold RM850X


This is a benchmark i took just 2 days before and just before i watched a youtube video on optimizing my PC for Gaming https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/54089203, I didn't run a benchmark for another day and this is the benchmark the next day https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/54135586 FYI i updated my BIOS before taking this benchmark so XMP is not enabled.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH2FCmBg7VA&t=311s&ab_channel=50Fifty


After watching the video these steps i took:
  1. Disabled most of the performance options 1:50
  2. enabled a boosted power plan, the Norton Utilities premium - Ultra performance https://gofile.io/d/hG3rgQ 2:40 (ive swaped to multiple different options but none change anything)
  3. disabled notifications and programs i don't need in the Home settings. 3:20
  4. Disabled Xbox Game bar and enabled Game Mode and added 1 game to boosted performance https://gofile.io/d/e3F6IY 4:40
  5. And did nothing else after this, i purposely avoided activating more cores on boot because i've seen problems occur from doing this.
Other Things ive done in the past few days:
  1. Downloaded a few games
  2. Played a few games
  3. I created a scheduled shut down using Task Wizard
Things it could be?
  1. User benchmark says my CPU is throttling but it cant be a problem since my CPU Temps are great? https://gofile.io/d/jESwpB
  2. My Mother Board has 1x8 and 1x4 pin CPU Power Connector and ive used 2 cables to plug it in, i have no idea if this is a problem?
  3. I have MX-4 Arctic thermal paste but its 2 years old and ive applied it, but again, i dont see how this is a problem since my temps are great?
After seeing my benchmark the day after these are the Things I've done to fix it:
  • I've tried to reverse what i did in the video, i did make a restore point but it also did nothing.
  • Updated my BIOS (made it worse somehow)
  • Re-installed my Chipset
  • Re-Installed Firmware
  • monitored Temps and ran CPU tests
  • Will re-install the ME Driver in a bit too.
This all happend in a very strange order, one day it was completely fine and the next it went to 1st percentile performance?

Here is a Cinebench, i scored 16980 but i dont really know what that all means? https://gofile.io/d/IQRLhS its just 300 shy of the usual cinebench scores online?
 
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honestly im not entirely sure what i did, i had the OS the SSD which i moved onto my new pc, when i booted with my windows installation it told me there was already a windows installation and it told me whether i wanted to update it or something similar and i ended up with my new windows and a file with my old windows.

And either way i dont see this being the problem, it was completely fine when i first booted my pc for 3 days infact, then as soon as i did some tweaks; which i don't even think could be remotely the problem, it went to sh't

And Update: I woke up and ran another benchmark and its somehow even worse than when i left it, i just updated my BIOS and ran another benchmark and its even worse than it was before????
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/54144122 my CPU is now running at the 0th percentile, absolute terribly performance but my PC seems to be running completely fine, its fast, and haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary?
That shows your ram is running at 2133.
Which might be the result of the bios upgrade.
Were these 4 sticks of ram a kit?
 

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too much background process
ram not running xmp
The benchmark i sent has a high backhround but that isnt usually the case, this is the same benchmark with lower background and its still the same 0th percentile performance
And as for ram i will enable it now but it cannot be the problem because my benchmarks were still terrible before i updated the BIOS and my XMP was enabled, like i said this all happend very randomly, one minute everything was running fine and the day after, after changing nothing in bios or nothing major in settings, my CPU performance went to the 0th percentile?
 

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i would try a fresh installation but ive just got all my files and apps sorted, do i have to pay for another activation key or not?
You do not need another activation key.

This should have been the first thing done. Windows is not designed to be modular. It tries to be forgiving, but it's like having a fancy new house built and moving all the trash in your old garage to your new garage. Problems can crop up months down the road. This bit of corner cutting is a very bad practice.

I'll have thoughts on others possibilities at such time that this is properly done and the behavior persists. And skip the tweaks.
 
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Ok, so ive gone to windows 11 and it seems to have fixed it (for now), ill see if its permanent but im still not benching that great scores in comparison to what i should, is there any way i can boost performance?
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/54150203

Oh and it still says my CPU is throttling? Could this be because its under voting or something like that? i have no idea
 
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Oh and it still says my CPU is throttling? Could this be because its under voting or something like that? i have no idea
You can ignore that one. UBM sees the huge gap in P-Ecore boost clocks and think the E-cores are being throttled by the OS.
Disabling the E-cores stops that message from appearing... not that you'd want to disable them anyway, except for troubleshooting purposes I guess.
 

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Ok, so ive gone to windows 11 and it seems to have fixed it (for now), ill see if its permanent but im still not benching that great scores in comparison to what i should, is there any way i can boost performance?
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/54150203

Oh and it still says my CPU is throttling? Could this be because its under voting or something like that? i have no idea
You're in the middle of the pack, a pack which is going to be, as a result of selection bias, having a lot of very skilled overclockers.
 

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