Ivy Bridge (Real stoopid question) :)

[majorgibly]

Hello there tom's hardware goers!

Right I'm at a crossroads in the computing world, I'm sure you have all been there. I'm not sure weather I should so sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge or wait it out with my current PC.

Current PC:

AMD 1055t (Cooled my NH-D14)
ASUS M75TD
8GB Kingston RAM 1600MHz
GTX 460 Super clocked.
750w Corsair PSU

Now if I were to change it would keep the same build and swap CPU and Motherboard for better performance. What do I do?!?!?


If I were to change it would be either 2500k or 2600k or the Ivy Bridge I'm bored of AMD falling short everytime. Starting to annoy me so I'm moving to intel for the first time ever!!!!

 

[Chad Boga]

How is your current machine letting you down?

If you can run games without a CPU related problem, then hold on to see if Haswell or beyond is worth it.

 

[majorgibly]

How is your current machine letting you down?

If you can run games without a CPU related problem, then hold on to see if Haswell or beyond is worth it.

I'm do video rendering, and the 2600k rapes the six core in every park. So therefore I was thinking about an upgrade. Any more thoughts?

 

[Chad Boga]

I'm do video rendering, and the 2600k rapes the six core in every park. So therefore I was thinking about an upgrade. Any more thoughts?

I thought the AMD six cores weren't too bad on video rendering??? Is the extra waiting time that problematic for you?

Sure a 2600K will be better than what you have now, but I'm assuming you must be somewhat budget conscious in the first place to have the specs you have, so that is why I thought you might be better waiting to see what Haswell brings as it might be quite significant.

Having said that, Haswell probably won't be out till June or July 2013, irrespective of what any current roadmap states.

 

[majorgibly]

I thought the AMD six cores weren't too bad on video rendering??? Is the extra waiting time that problematic for you?

Sure a 2600K will be better than what you have now, but I'm assuming you must be somewhat budget conscious in the first place to have the specs you have, so that is why I thought you might be better waiting to see what Haswell brings as it might be quite significant.

Having said that, Haswell probably won't be out till June or July 2013, irrespective of what any current roadmap states.

it depends how much time a 2600k would knock off, like a 10min video will take 35min to render on the six core. But if the 2600k does it in 12 then thats worth it i suppose!

 

[inanition02]

it depends how much time a 2600k would knock off, like a 10min video will take 35min to render on the six core. But if the 2600k does it in 12 then thats worth it i suppose!

I have a 1055T as well - you should be able to get ~10% OC on it (even with locked multipliers). Then it comes down to what program you're using for rendering.

Most rendering programs take advantage of as many cores/threads as they can use. And real cores >> HT virtual cores. So, even clocked lower, the AMD won't fall too far behind the 2600k (since it's a 4 core with 4 more virtual cores). Check out your CPU usage when you're rendering - if it's 100% on all 6 cores, you're in good shape.

I've looked at upgrading myself - but it seems that in most of the work I do (mostly VMs and development, some video editing) it's not worth it. I would bet that your 10 min video times would drop from 35min to maybe 28-30 min with the 2600k. (Think about it- the Intel proc is better no doubt, but it's not 3x better! (35->12?)) I may well upgrade from my AMD platform to Ivy Bridge when the 3750/3770s come out, but I want to see some benchmarks first.

 

[majorgibly]

I have a 1055T as well - you should be able to get ~10% OC on it (even with locked multipliers). Then it comes down to what program you're using for rendering.

Most rendering programs take advantage of as many cores/threads as they can use. And real cores >> HT virtual cores. So, even clocked lower, the AMD won't fall too far behind the 2600k (since it's a 4 core with 4 more virtual cores). Check out your CPU usage when you're rendering - if it's 100% on all 6 cores, you're in good shape.

I've looked at upgrading myself - but it seems that in most of the work I do (mostly VMs and development, some video editing) it's not worth it. I would bet that your 10 min video times would drop from 35min to maybe 28-30 min with the 2600k. (Think about it- the Intel proc is better no doubt, but it's not 3x better! (35->12?)) I may well upgrade from my AMD platform to Ivy Bridge when the 3750/3770s come out, but I want to see some benchmarks first.

I use sony Vegas 10 and when when rendering it's about 70% on all cores Any ideas Improvements to my build which may speed up rendering?

 

[nordlead]

It would cost $450-550 to switch platforms to a i7-2600k. It hardly seems worth it unless editing video is a job.

Just looking at the Tom's benchmarks. With the HD transcoding, the 1055T takes 79 seconds to the i7-2600k's 58 seconds. If we assume that translates perfectly to your time example (which I'm sure it doesn't) then you could get improvements down to 25.7 minutes.

 

[majorgibly]

It would cost $450-550 to switch platforms to a i7-2600k. It hardly seems worth it unless editing video is a job.

Just looking at the Tom's benchmarks. With the HD transcoding, the 1055T takes 79 seconds to the i7-2600k's 58 seconds. If we assume that translates perfectly to your time example (which I'm sure it doesn't) then you could get improvements down to 25.7 minutes.

So you think I should wait and maybe get a new build like next year around june?

 

[vitornob]

Wait for Ivy Bridge

 

[balearic]

If you get a new motherboard like I did, like the P8p67 Pro, it is Sandybridge but already has the new BIOS for IVY Bridge processors. So you could get a Sandy Bridge and then Ivy Bridge later. But I would just wait it out.

 

[inanition02]

Hmm, what is the transcode job youre running? If youre only using 70% of the 1055, it doesnt seem to be cpu limited.

 

[majorgibly]

Hmm, what is the transcode job youre running? If youre only using 70% of the 1055, it doesnt seem to be cpu limited.

Not sure what that means, I just render the videos. It's GPU related as well, and ram related. But 8GB of ram I think is enough.

 

[inanition02]

Oh, can you check your ram usage and gpu usage during the render?

 

[majorgibly]

Oh, can you check your ram usage and gpu usage during the render?

How do I check RAM and GPU usage?

 

[inanition02]

RAM you can see in the windows task manager. For nVidia gpus im not sure - AMD has a monitor built into the catalyst control center (I have all AMD cards)

 

[arunphilip]

How do I check RAM and GPU usage?

RAM: Use Resource Monitor in Windows (click Start and type "Resource Monitor").
GPU: Use GPU-Z, second tab.

 

[majorgibly]

RAM you can see in the windows task manager. For nVidia gpus im not sure - AMD has a monitor built into the catalyst control center (I have all AMD cards)

CPU was anywhere from 65% - 80%
RAM 3.90GB / 8GB So not really pushing my computer!

 

[inanition02]

CPU was anywhere from 65% - 80%
RAM 3.90GB / 8GB So not really pushing my computer!

Maybe it was GPU then - can you try GPU-z?

 

[majorgibly]

405 MHz (WTF WHY IS IT SO LOW THIS IS A GTX 460 Super clocked lol)
810MHz on the shaders
2000MHz on the mem

This is odd. Have i been ripped off with the GPU lol?

 

[majorgibly]

Maybe it was GPU then - can you try GPU-z?

Any other idea lol

(I posted the RAM GPU usage above)

 

[kd0frg]

no, play or open a game once then minimize it, ur gpu goes from low to high during 3d/2d workloads to cut heat and power when its not needed

 

[majorgibly]

no, play or open a game once then minimize it, ur gpu goes from low to high during 3d/2d workloads to cut heat and power when its not needed

Okay it jumped up to 805Mhz, but it does not do that while rendering therefore it's cant be GPU reliant! WTF DOES SONY VEGAS USE LOL!

 

[inanition02]

That would indicate that the Vegas program isnt using the gpu then....hmm

 

[majorgibly]

That would indicate that the Vegas program isnt using the gpu then....hmm

So...Sony vegas does not rely on the CPU hence the fact mine only goes up to around 65% the GPU is not even being used. And the RAM bearly moved over 3.5GB. Maybe it needs to copy it to the HDD. So maybe my HDD is slow? I thought it was 7200RPM though?! This is weird.