Jolla Opens Pre-Orders For Award-Winning Jolla Tablet

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I am very curious about how this operating system would feel and run. It would be great to play with something else other than apple or google. Not so much the security side of it, just the different os
 

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"Sailfish 2.0 is an independent platform, but it has the ability to run Android apps nonetheless"

So it's an unpopular OS that needs to run an entire compatibility layer just to run another OS's programs. Why would I want this?
 


I think it's only a good idea for it to run Android apps. A new operating system and tablet developed on a $2.5 million budget is going to have difficulty getting a lot of companies to make any apps for their product. It does have its own apps that run on its own platform, but it has the option to run Android apps, too. A $2.5 million budget is quite difficult actually to get started, considering a worker's pay would be $40,000 a year.
 

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Why would I want this?

It isn't using an app compatibility layer, it uses Android's guts so it runs Dalvik. It just also has its own Qt based UI.

Its more of an alternate Android shell than anything else. If you like the idea of using swipe gestures to control the UI it should be appealing.
 

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if only it had a penable display from the get go... that is an attractive price.
still have my eyes on a samsung galaxy note, but 350$ refurbished is a lot to ask for.
 

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Too little, too late. There are already plenty of very good tablets with full-fledged Windows 8.1 and Bay Trail priced at $300. Why would I want to buy one that runs Android, not even speaking of Sailfish?
 

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There's some amount of truth to this. It's definitely a crowded space. I guess we'll see with how this thing ships but if you can crack it open and get Windows into it and you might be on to a winner.
 

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@amk-aka-Phantom "Why would I want to buy one..."

Oh, my. Where to begin.

1. You aren't invested in the Windows mobile ecosystem, which is really quite small anyway.

2. You're invested in the Android ecosystem, which is really quite massive, but don't love the Android, Fire, or CyanogenMod shells.

3. You like a secure OS, which neither Windows nor Android can claim with a straight face.

4. You've done the iPad, and are done with the iPad.

5. You'd like to try something different from the Windows desktop monopoly and the Android / iOS mobile duopoly just for the sake of variety.

6. You enjoyed Nokia's earlier computing products, and would like to use a quality product built by the same team.

7. You work with Gnu-like shells on Linux / Unix on a daily basis, since they are so prevalent in cloud and big iron and embedded systems, and would like a tablet that can offer a complementary and supportive experience.

9. You want true and elegant multitasking on a mobile product.

9. You like to vote for quality competition with your dollars.

10. You'd like to help launch and promote a serious mobile OS vendor that is NOT based in the USA.

Pick any one or more, and you've got a good reason to buy a Jolla tablet. Geez, I've almost talked ME into buying one now! :-D
 

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@ricegf I'll bite.

1) I am talking full fledged Windows 8.1 for x86. Not the RT nonsense. The "ecosystem" is all the applications built for Windows, ever. For example, right now I'm playing Heroes of Might and Magic V on my Windows tablet and when I'm done, I'll be watching YouTube on a *normal* browser that has AdBlock and allows me to minimize it without pausing the video. Later yet, I'll launch a VM with Linux and get some work done there. "Quite small"... sure...

2/4/5 - only if you are a user that wants the device for nothing but casual use (and agrees to put up with all the BS mobile OSs slap on you such as having to root them to block ads etc.)

3/7 - an x86 tablet runs most popular Linux distros natively... they offer MUCH more "complementary and supportive experience" than a shell on Jolla, I am sure.

6 - it won't be built by Nokia, there is no more Nokia... their facilities are sold off and even though the Jolla team might have some ex-Nokia members, the device is probably assembled in the same Chinese factories as everything else

9#1 - For me, *true* and *elegant* multitasking would be Windows or a good desktop Linux distro. But that's a matter of preference of course...

9#2 - Remains to be seen whether this is "quality". Maybe if this tablet allows to install a normal OS (should, since it's x86, but who knows - maybe locked bootloader or unsupported hardware)...

10 - Everything tech-related ends up being in the USA anyhow. And let's face it, the mobile market is already dominated by Apple and Google in the same way as the desktop/laptop is dominated by Apple and Microsoft. Experience shows that underdogs just don't make it in the tech world when there are already two options to choose from - most users are incapable of choosing from more than that (trust me, I'm a[strike]n engineer[/strike] sysadmin... :D)

I am not saying Jolla or this tablet are necessarily bad, but unless you have enough money to justify spending it just to "support" a company or to collect most likely dead-end products, I don't see a reason to buy this.
 

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It's sad to see how people value and yearn for privacy, while "democracies" continue to ignore and spy on us all.

Not a single person voted for surveillance, let alone unwarranted mass surveillance, and those doing it are still in power. "Democracy".
 

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I appreciate the detailed reply, and agree that you don't see the reasons for buying the Jolla tablet. You would certainly never buy a dead end product like a Windows 7 phone, or a Windows RT tablet, or a Windows Surface (the first one, not the second one), or a ... oh, wait.

Let's start over. I'm quite confident you won't buy a Jolla tablet regardless of what I write. In fact, you'd never even waste your time *discussing* the Jolla tablet on a... oh, wait.

Let's start over again. Your responses were not terribly convincing to those not already locked into the WIndows ecosystem, for the following reasons.

1) While Windows has a lot of applications, most are WIMP (Windows - Icons - Mouse - Pointer) applications. These have worked poorly with Windows tablets over the past 15 years, and nothing about their current tablet products changes that fact. I was, of course, referring to the number of TOUCH-enabled Windows applications, and that number is indeed quite small compared to Android or iOS. Go count them in the Windows store. See? Small. Count the touch-enabled apps in Android Play or even the Amazon store. See? Big.

2/4/5) The point of Jolla is that it's NOT designed for casual use only, but for more powerful scenarios. I can only assume your devotion to Windows has prevented (or more accurately, will prevent) you from giving it a fair trial, correct?

3/7) As with Windows, you're again confusing tools designed for a WIMP interface with tools designed for a touch interface. They are not the same. The reason Microsoft's tablets pretty much require a keyboard to be more than a media device is the same reason a Linux desktop UI on a touch tablet sans keyboard would be as unappealing as the Windows desktop.

6) You appear unaware of who founded Jolla, or the source of many of their team members.

9) Exactly. Your inherent bias leads you to assume inelegance and low quality. I prefer to actually TRY a product before rendering judgment. That's how I know about WIMP apps on a Windows touch device, by the way...

10) "Experience shows that underdogs just don't make it in the tech world when there are already two options to choose from" - like iOS failing in the face of PalmOS and Windows CE and Symbian and Blackberry, or Android failing in the face of iOS and Symbian and Blackberry, or Tesla failing in the face of GM, Ford, Chrysler, Nissan, Mitsubishi..., or Red Hat failing in the face of Solaris, Aix, and Windows Server, or... Oh, wait.

But sure, while some succeed spectacularly and transform industries, a majority of new technologies do indeed fail (a Microsoft fan could create that list far better than me, right?). However, I find it unnecessarily arrogant to presume failure for a new product that had a remarkably successful crowd source funding round, followed by an unexpectedly large investor funding round. Is it not possible in your mind that the early supporters and the commercial investors see something you're missing? Enough to lead them to desire a new product with great potential beyond the limitations of your current favorite OS?

But even if Jolla remains a small player, like Ubuntu on the desktop with its less than 50 million users, it's still a good solution for people for whom at least one of the reasons I listed applies. It may not be a good solution for YOU, since you've undoubtedly delighted in the numerous Windows and Windows Phone commercial flops Microsoft has heavily sprinkled among their quite notable successes.

But good natured ribbing aside, everyone is not you! And that's a good enough reason for me to give Jolla a fair chance, and to avoid criticizing those who desire one for the advantages it most certainly offers.
 

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I have to say that I'm really intrigued by this tablet. You can bash Android all you want, but this tablet looks to be of a solid build quality. You have a secure operating system. 2K resolution. 32GB or 64GB onboard storage with the option to add micro SXHD. It definitely looks to be a better offering than what LG's tablet looks like.

What would make this a real winner is if they offer a 10.1" model with a keyboard attachment. That would easily outsell just about any tablet you can think of.
 
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