Kaby Lake Started Shipping? Just Built a Skylake System, What to do?!

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So i just finished building a Skylake system a few days ago with a 6600K CPU and an ASUS Z170 mobo which i got a good deal on on a Weekend rush promo (about 25% discount off current retail price).

Today i find a news article saying "Intel has confirmed that it has begun shipping Kaby Lake processors to customers"

I have a couple of days left for the opportunity to return the 6600K and the ASUS Z170 for an opportunity to purchase a Kaby Lake CPU and potentially a Z270 mobo.

This decision will mostly involve waiting a few weeks (if the news is actually true that intel started shipping Kaby to consumers) and would probably involve a 25% higher cost since i do not think i can get a similar deal for hardware that is just released.

It is hard to feel that your hardware is getting outdated just less than two weeks from purchase and i would not like to regret my Skylake/Z170 purchase.

Please advise guys :)
 
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You got the build itch "real" bad. Gotta admit, thats why I want to upgrade. But I relly suggest sticking with what you got. Wait for 2018 and do insane update!
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it's 25% increase in cost for 1% increase in perfomance i guess, haven't checked kaby lake processors but the difference in perfomance in every generation is so low. Plus, you will be a beta tester for something new if you get kaby lake. No, i wouldn't return it, stay with skylake!
 
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Yes i get full refund, every penny back :)

There are a few reasons why i am hesitant:

1- Already built the system which took some work, i will have to un-build it, package it, send it back and then build another one.

2- The discounts i got on the 6600K and the Z170 are pretty significant and i am not sure i need to pay more for a 7600K / Z270 system.

3- Most importantly, that is just one news article that said Intel started shipping, i find no other sources, no pricing information, no benchmarks, nothing to base the decision on.


I am afraid to keep my current setup and feel it being outdated very soon, and i am also afraid to return it and then have to wait for "months" for Kaby to actually hit the market and then having to pay 25-30% more in order to get it, that would be silly.

Kaby's platform has very important features that i need though, native HDMI 2.0 support for 4K@60Hz and that new storage tech. which sounds interesting.

Very confusing situation really 🙁
 
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Well, we don't know anything about pricing, right? What if you're wrong about the price difference? If you get full refund upon returning, you can buy the CPU back if you are disappointed with Kaby Lake. If you don't, don't bother.
 
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I will get a full refund on return yes, but i can not buy Skylake and Z170 again at the same price, since this is was a one day promotion that never happened again, so it is a one way street, if i return this system now, then i kind of "HAVE" to wait for Kaby and get it, whatever it is, and based on past generations, if pricing of those is any indication of the upcoming Kaby pricing, both CPU and Mobo will be about 30% more expensive than what i paid for my current Skylake setup, for the same grade of components, an i5 and an ASUS Gaming board.


Current retail price for 6600K in my market: 240 Euro

I got it for: 188 Euro

Current retail price for ASUS Z170 PRO GAMING in my market: 166 EURO

I got it for: 125 Euro

Current HyperX 2666Mhz: 89 Euro

Got it for: 73 Euro


Total retail value of my Skylake system: 495 Euro

Got It for: 386 Euro

Total savings over retail 22%



Based on this Generation's pricing on release, a Kaby Lake / Z270 system would cost 528 Euro on release, a 27% increase in cost over what i have now, plus i would have to wait for i don't know how long, plus like our good friend @slyverine said above i would be a Kaby beta tester for a while.


It looks like an obvious call, but i am itching for newer stuff, newer is always better even if logic and wisdom says otherwise 😀

a very tough call to be honest 🙁
 
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I strongly suggest not to bother with returning the parts, especially since you got them on sale. It was a very good deal.
Don't worry about Kaby Lake, It will mostly have improvements in the igpu (good for laptops) with minimal performance gains(if Haswell to Skylake (different architecture and node) was 5-15% (talking about the i7), Kaby Lake is basically Skylake with a few optimisations and a new igpu (expect under 5% ipc improvement)).
Also, with Kaby Lake you are limited in terms of which OS you can install (W7 is not supported). You also get support for Optane ssd's but I bet those are going to be expensive and not worth it from a consumer point of view.
P.S. I bought an i7 6700K close to launch for 360 USD knowing that Kaby Lake is not worth waiting for.
 
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Over €100 difference is not worth it. Furthermore, Intel has stopped increasing the performance of the CPU. Instead, Intel is increasing "efficiency", something that isn't necessary for now as CPUs are already efficient imo.
 
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Yeah, I heard about Kaby Lake being shipped but do you think consumers will get their hands on it in Aug or Sept? I doubt it. I would love if they would though. If you return what you have I'd plan on waiting at least 2 months until you can replace it. Keep in mind that the 6600k will work on KabyLake builds, so you could get a cheap H170 mobo and wait for the new KabyLake mobo to put it on, then sell the H170.
 
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Very good points you guys, i also actually got a pretty good 6600K sample, overclocks to 4.6-4.7Ghz easily, stays under 65c degree with a 212 Evo and system is stable as clockwork, one of the most stable systems i built to be honest and performance is super.

Performance is not what i am after at all, since the difference is negligible, it is the platform features and having the "new stuff" is what is compelling in this case,

I use Win10 exclusively on all my devices and have upgraded all my Win7 and 8 licenses so that is not an issue for me, the iGPU supporting native HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 is a big deal for me since i have a 4K TV and Netflix 4K and could actually use that (in some scenarios where i use iGPU for media playback in the same time while using discrete for gaming), or if using these components in an HTPC later.

Optane ssd's is interesting but i agree it could be very expensive for me to get on release, could be viable 1 or 2 years down the road.

With 142 Euro potential difference in price between my current system and a Kaby system, i could see myself using that money elsewhere, towards a GPU, new SSD, better screen, driving wheel or what not.

Still would appreciate more feedback though since the itch for getting the new and latest stuff is severe and is killing me LOL 😀
 
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Waiting two months is not an issue, i can wait, paying 25-30% extra for a Kaby setup could be an issue though i would not like paying that much more for the extra platform features that i would get, selling a used motherboard is not that easy, i could sell a CPU in a flash, but motherboards not so easy, besides i don't see much point of using a Skylake with a Z270 Mobo since not all platform features would be supported by the Skylake CPU, so i will lose money selling the mobo and then lose money again by buying a Z270 mobo which i can not utilize all its features.

So either i keep the current system as it is, or just return everything (including the ASUS Strix GTX 1070 that i just bought) and wait a few month for the market to settle down with Kaby on the shelves and the GTX 1070 price lowered towards its MSRP and then re-build the system again.

During that time i would be gaming on mobile/tablet and using my slow ass laptop for work :)
 
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I was surprised at the overclocking potential of this sample as well especially with a cheap cooler like the evo, 4.6GHz with XMP enabled and Auto voltage on the ASUS BIOS, uses 1.312v for 4.6Ghz ... 28c idle temp, 59c average under stress test and 65c absolute maximum on some cores. that is way more than i'd hoped for with Skylake, and is my current 24/7 overclock.

Tested with 4.7GHz also on Auto voltage which turns out to use 1.34v and runs about 3 degrees or so hotter, just tested this briefly it booted and stayed stable during a 5 minutes stress test, i then backed off to 4.6Ghz again because i felt that 1.34v is pretty high for 24/7 and did not have the time to tinker with manual voltage and keep testing, so left it at 4.6GHz since it was so easy to reach that without much tinkering.

I have a question about resale value though which could be an important decision factor, i tend to sell my system and upgrade every 2 years or so, so this system i will probably keep until summer 2018 and then sell it and get something new, do you think if i go with Kaby i will have a better resale value than Skylake?

I actually sold my Haswell 4670K which sold well and fast and used the money from it to cover about 72% of the cost of this Skylake CPU which made the deal even sweater, but i guess i am just being greedy, want to jump three generations ahead with this upgrade instead of just two :)
 
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Ohh, lets not forget that Intel is gonna make a 6 core for mainstream users with Coffeelake in 2018. So, you will probably upgrade to that..but when will it actually be for sale? I'd stick with what you got and switch to CoffeeLake when the time comes.
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/6-core-intel-processors-going-mainstream-in-2018-with-coffee-lake.html

My 2500k is still good but little over 4 years running for me. I don't need to upgrade but want to make a new build for fun. Hope to sell what I got for decent price and upgrade in Nov/Dec with KabyLake. This month, August, Intel will make an announcement about the new KabyLake..it'll be newer but you gotta wait.

Stick with what you got and upgrade to CoffeeLake.
 
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cool, i will sleep on it until tomorrow and see how i feel, if i want to return everything and just wait for Kaby at a 30% price premium over what i have now, the cost being in extra waiting time + extra money + extra work (un-building the system, re-packaging, sending back, researching, re-buying, re-building, a lot of "res" actually)

Now all the answers you guys provided are the "Best Answer" and all were equally helpful, how the hell do i only select one of you as best answer now? :) 😀
 
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Just for fun, i was able to achieve 4.7GHz stable with 1.328v manual voltage, after using FAN calibration on the ASUS board to reach optimal fan intervals the average temp after 15 minutes of AIDA64 stress test is 55c degrees with a 212 Evo, i can't believe these results, i am definitely keeping that setup, its performance is so great for the price, i think i would be crazy to let it go :)
 
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