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Time to step up the meds; I could have sworn Erich Leibrock just said...
> "Chris Mattern" <matternc@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:TuidnQrEr8gVdvffRVn-pg@comcast.com...
> > Jasper Janssen wrote:
> >
> >> On 3 Apr 2005 12:40:15 -0400, dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney)
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Kill Switch 3 Artifact
> >>> 2,Tap: Tap all other artifacts. They dont untap during their
> >>> controller's
> >>> untap steps as long as ~ remains tapped.
> >>
> >> If an artifact was already tapped when this happens, does it get tagged?
> >
> > Yes. It says "all other artifacts", not "All other untapped artifacts".
> >
> >> IOW, can an effect tap something that is already tapped?
> >
> > It can try. It won't successfully do so, but that doesn't matter here,
> > because it doesn't say "All artifacts that were tapped don't blah blah..."
> >
> >> Because of "All
> >> other artifacts", I can't deduce it from what happens to the kill switch
> >> and it's something I could imagine there being debate about.
> >
> > I can't quite parse that sentence. But there's no debate--all artifacts
> > other than the Kill Switch that were in play when the Kill Switch used
> > its ability get a "don't untap" tag that isn't removed until the Kill
> > Switch untaps.
> >
> >> Or is it even
> >> the case that "Tap all other artifacts" and [the tagging with] "They [all
> >> other artifacts] don't untap[..]" are two separate events, ie, the first
> >> can fail because they were already tapped but the second can still apply
> >> to them?
> >
> > Yes, that's how it works. You always do as much of what the card tells
> > you
> > as you can. You can put a "don't untap" tag on all other artifacts, so
> > you
> > do.
>
> OK.. Quick question then..
>
> City of Brass gets targetted by an Animate Land effect. Resolves.
> Animated Brass is now smacked with an Ashnod's Transmogrant. Resolves.
> Transmogrified Brass was already tapped, gets tapped by Kill Switch.
> Does the owner of the City take damage?
No. It did not become tapped. (In general, only an actual change in the
game state can trigger an ability.) This has nothing to do with the fact
that the do-not-untap ability still applies to it. One is looking for
"Did this just go from being untapped, to being tapped?"; the other is
just asking "Is this tapped at the moment? Okay, then it stays that way
instead of untapping".