Question Kraken x72 radiator and fan position, front fans heating, yes the plastic.

[Ruby b0x]

Hi Tom's guise,

I think liquid coolers should be made for gpu's more than cpu's, nowadays what give us strong temperatures is always our video cards so I love the r9 290x so much I bought a Kraken g12 and the x72, now let's get into the thread main question:

Cam should be always reconfigured if we use the cooler for the gpu since it works with common cpu temperatures for any curve; Anyway that is not a problem yet my set up I put the 3 fans in front of my meshify C fractal with the nzxt info and sticker at front (Can be seen in the front of the case after removing the fractal front panel) so it means they pulling air intake into the case but still when I put my hand in the radiator inside the case I dont feel really too much air going through and being sent inside on silent or performance perhaps in high rpm's you can feel a bit more of air passing through, my concern tho was yesterday the gpu being common temp 60-65 under heavy load as I was playing Skyrim full moded ultra settings that before getting the kraken required to set the r9 fan to %70 waking up my neighbors with the fan noise just to keep at 75 so that issue is gone and I am Happy it wont go further 60 sometimes but the fans got really strong in the front due to reaching 60 temp, the problem was I didnt configure the curve right for the gpu back then and still I let them on the high rpm but really wasnt that high you can see how much they go when reaching 60 Celsius so still I found the fans were heating so much the front was almost burning (Nah just way too hot) as I could feel in the meshify cute front, the metal was really hot and so the radiator was also pretty hot due to the same fan at some how Middle-high rpm (The power buttons on top of the case was also felt really extremely hot) the amd wattman options send me error later on of voltage cuz my 500w still struggle I guess and so I just found that stronk heat in the front.

Now I wonder if it is because I set screws too tight or if it is normal for AP'120 fans to heat this much when high rpm? Anyway temps are great on the gpu the Kraken x72 is a beast but I am afraid of that strong heat in the front of The meshify just as the real amount of air I am pulling from outside through the radiator into the case, I have top and rear fan exhaust yes, any ideas and recommendations welcome I have a lot of respect for this community and I am aware of The seniors knowledge.

~R

 

[rubix_1011]

That is kind of difficult to read due to the continual, run-on sentences and punctuation.

So, what I make of this is that the cooler still allows your GPU to run hot and the fans on the radiator are warm, with the Kraken and G12 cooling the GPU?

This sounds like an airflow problem or an issue with the block mount to the GPU itself. If you remove the side panel of your case and use a house or desk fan to blow air (highest setting) into the side of the open case, do temperatures improve? If not, you likely need to pull the block from the GPU and re-seat it with new thermal compound.

The X72 is a 360 AIO and should have no problem cooling a single GPU. Your issue is either of the above items...block seating or airflow.

 

[Ruby b0x]

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That is kind of difficult to read due to the continual, run-on sentences and punctuation.

So, what I make of this is that the cooler still allows your GPU to run hot and the fans on the radiator are warm, with the Kraken and G12 cooling the GPU?

This sounds like an airflow problem or an issue with the block mount to the GPU itself. If you remove the side panel of your case and use a house or desk fan to blow air (highest setting) into the side of the open case, do temperatures improve? If not, you likely need to pull the block from the GPU and re-seat it with new thermal compound.

The X72 is a 360 AIO and should have no problem cooling a single GPU. Your issue is either of the above items...block seating or airflow.

Yes, english is not my native yet I find no problem with spelling or grammar but more likely the cell Phone quick typing here at the moment.

So I said gpu was great, the thread talks about fans actually getting hot, the front fractal metal plate was really hot so I came to question my set up, the Kraken g12 in the gpu is perfectly installed and there is no problems with the gpu temperature as I stated but the radiator and 3 fans in the front somehow got really really hot last time the curve went 60 grades which for being cpu related temps in the cam software the fans started going up in rpm but I am sure they were not in %100 either I think the curve in performance might set them to 50% as much, so my concern is related to the front hot intake from the fans at mid average rpm that ended up heating a lot the case front and even the buttons on top were a bit too hot to the point you get concerned we talking the radiator was also hot, I Wonder if this is due to the front fractal dust filter or something, maybe I set the screws too tight in the case front or what... Maybe the nzxt ap 120 fans are common to get this hot? I also Wonder there is no much air passing through the radiator in idle silent mode that is around 500-600 rpm. If I am Not mistaken, I barely feel the air as intake from outside.

My set up is radiator-casefrontstructure-fans as intake trying to get air inside and pass through the radiator, I had that doubt of how to set up before and I just think it is common sense to try pushing air through the radiator as it is general in any radiator engine perspective.

Thanks!

 

[Karadjgne]

Anyway that is not a problem yet my set up I put the 3 fans in front of my meshify C fractal with the nzxt info and sticker at front so it means they pulling air intake into the case

Nope, backwards. Sticker side is exhaust side of the fan, the 'pretty side' with no mounts or bars or info stickers or wires is the intake side of the fan. You have the fans setup to pull air out of the case, fighting the exhaust fans in the rear. Basically you got bupkiss for airflow and nothing but a vacuum inside the case. When that happens, you get minimal air movement as there's no air to move, and the fans just spin, doing not much of anything.

If you want pull, then the fans need to go ugly side up, and on the inside of the case, closest to gpu, not in front of the case. In front, it's best if the fans are push, that's pretty side visible.

Cam silent mode is set for cpu temps, so you'll need to manually adjust the curve where 100% fans = 80-85°C, not 70°C

 

[Ruby b0x]

Nope, backwards. Sticker side is exhaust side of the fan, the 'pretty side' with no mounts or bars or info stickers or wires is the intake side of the fan. You have the fans setup to pull air out of the case, fighting the exhaust fans in the rear. Basically you got bupkiss for airflow and nothing but a vacuum inside the case. When that happens, you get minimal air movement as there's no air to move, and the fans just spin, doing not much of anything.

If you want pull, then the fans need to go ugly side up, and on the inside of the case, closest to gpu, not in front of the case. In front, it's best if the fans are push, that's pretty side visible.

Cam silent mode is set for cpu temps, so you'll need to manually adjust the curve where 100% fans = 80-85°C, not 70°C

Karadigne, I think you got it wrong due to the same fast description I did, please re-read my reply to Rubix it seems I said I have Radiator-120 AP Fans with sticker looking towards the front of the case and then the fractal front plate with the dust filter and all that.

So I am sure by just putting your hand in the cute side of the fans you'll feel how it cools your hand? Yes they are trying to cool the radiator at the same time are as intake from outside trying to get air inside yet I stated there's no much air felt in the radiator when I place the hand but the sticker nzxt of the fans and "ugly" part should be the one you put the screws in the front in other words the sticker should be looking at the front so the fans cute side is sending air inside and also trying to intake, also I stated that when I place my hand inside the case where the radiator should be passing the air inside I feel no much air passing through the radiator in silent idle mode yes around 500 rpm? So I wonder if that's common and I should just ignore the real air I can feel getting inside from outside.

I hope I made myself clear, yes I'll definitely set up the curve I just wonder if it's common such burning heat in all the top buttons and front just as radiator for the fans going at such high rpm?

 

[rubix_1011]

The issue isn't with spelling or grammar, it is with run-on sentences and punctuation. The flow of the reading is very difficult to follow.

What is 'the cute side' of a fan?

Look at the side of the fans, there should be 2 arrows. One arrow shows rotational direction, the other shows airflow direction.

 

[Ruby b0x]

If you want pull, then the fans need to go ugly side up, and on the inside of the case, closest to gpu, not in front of the case. In front, it's best if the fans are push, that's pretty side visible.

I want to use front fans as intake and pass through the radiator as it cools the radiator as well which I believe is common to do in any engine-radiator scenario, so you say the best is if fans are push, so in front I believe if you can see the sticker looking at the front of the case where you put the screws it means it's sending air inside?

 

[Ruby b0x]

The issue isn't with spelling or grammar, it is with run-on sentences and punctuation. The flow of the reading is very difficult to follow.

What is 'the cute side' of a fan?

Look at the side of the fans, there should be 2 arrows. One arrow shows rotational direction, the other shows airflow direction.

The ugly part is the one where the plastic X of the fan structure is seen and the sticker of NZXT in this case, that sticker you can see it in the front of the case which means I am trying to push air inside passing through the rad, that's all, please correct me if I am wrong, the fans are sending air inside if the sticker is seen in the front of the case? I just think the cute low profile nzxt side with no stickers or the X plastic thingy are sending air inside, yes.

 

[Ruby b0x]

That's kind of the set-up I have but the video card is in vertical mode, I am not at home and just couldn't get this doubt out of my head.

Is the Radiator better set-up with the pump tubes on the bottom? I feel they pump easier by sending water from the top to the bottom where relatively the card is, also does it matter how much you move the cables? I wonder what's the best way to leave the tubes and the radiator position too, also the front fans there would be trying to get air inside passing through the rad so yes the sticker can be seen from outside which means they are right?

 

[rubix_1011]

Flow direction should not matter, when the pump is pushing coolant 'up' it is also pulling coolant 'down' - liquid displacement means the pump is moving coolant regardless of the location in an ideal scenario assuming there is not an airlock (air bubble in the pump).

Check the airflow arrows on the fans. Some fans have stickers on the front or the back, sometimes both, so sticker side doesn't always indicate anything. Also, there are fans where the frame is setup differently, so the 'frame side' of the fan also is not necessarily indicative. The arrows on the fans will tell you blade rotation and airflow direction. Set them up to either push air through the radiator (arrow points air into the radiator fins) or in pull (arrow indicates it is pulling air through the radiator fins).

 

[Ruby b0x]

Flow direction should not matter, when the pump is pushing coolant 'up' it is also pulling coolant 'down' - liquid displacement means the pump is moving coolant regardless of the location in an ideal scenario assuming there is not an airlock (air bubble in the pump).

Check the airflow arrows on the fans. Some fans have stickers on the front or the back, sometimes both, so sticker side doesn't always indicate anything. Also, there are fans where the frame is setup differently, so the 'frame side' of the fan also is not necessarily indicative. The arrows on the fans will tell you blade rotation and airflow direction. Set them up to either push air through the radiator (arrow points air into the radiator fins) or in pull (arrow indicates it is pulling air through the radiator fins).

Aight will check that I believe with just your hands you can feel the side that sends air, other question then: Is common for fans to get this extremely heat on above average high rpms?

 

[Karadjgne]

This is the front of a fan, the pretty side. If you can see this then the airflow is away from you. If what you are looking at is the back side, the ugly side of the fan with the info sticker, wire, frame holding the motor, then airflow is towards you.

So if you have all 3 fans mounted at the very front of the case, and you can see all 3 stickers, and the radiator is on the inside, closest to the gpu then you are pulling air from the case and blowing it out of the front. Combine this affect with your rear case fans blowing air out of the case and you end up not moving much air, as there isn't much left inside the case, you are sucking it all out.

For intake, the fans at front/push should look just like the picture. If the fans are on the inside, radiator furthest from the gpu, the fans should still be mounted with the front of the fan facing the front of the case, so then you'd see that info sticker on the very inside.

 

[rubix_1011]

Yep. The fan tells you how it is working.

Sure, you can use your hands, but look at the fan and how it is designed and oriented- it will tell you the direction it is moving air.

 

[Ruby b0x]

This is the front of a fan, the pretty side. If you can see this then the airflow is away from you. If what you are looking at is the back side, the ugly side of the fan with the info sticker, wire, frame holding the motor, then airflow is towards you.

So if you have all 3 fans mounted at the very front of the case, and you can see all 3 stickers, and the radiator is on the inside, closest to the gpu then you are pulling air from the case and blowing it out of the front. Combine this affect with your rear case fans blowing air out of the case and you end up not moving much air, as there isn't much left inside the case, you are sucking it all out.

For intake, the fans at front/push should look just like the picture. If the fans are on the inside, radiator furthest from the gpu, the fans should still be mounted with the front of the fan facing the front of the case, so then you'd see that info sticker on the very inside.

If that is true then yes I got it all wrong and no air will actually get inside either push pull the radiator, I will fix it as soon as I get home and send pics if necessary, so my final question is, can the fans at such above average rpm heat so much? I tell you I touched the front metal mesh panel of The case and it was burning then the top buttons even to the point I turned off the computer a bit scared of such heat.

I Wonder if at high rpm a fan heats that much it wont even be reasonable to try to pass air through the radiator that is taking its heat as well...

 

[Karadjgne]

Radiators, heatsinks, anything cooled by a fan needs airflow across the fins to grab that heat and move it out into the air. Without airflow, what you end up with is an old fashioned water radiator in houses, the whole thing starts getting warm, hot eventually, which will transfer that heat to anything close, metal objects like the frame being most susceptible.

So yes, if you have opposing fans, you create such a low pressure inside the case, and if there's no real way for air to enter, you don't move much air at all, so the heat stays local, concentrated around the radiator.

Flipping the fans around, so you can see the front will improve airflow immensely, you'll be putting air into the case from the front, and sucking it out of the case from the rear. That'll mean air will move over the fins, and get rid of it, away from the fans, which will keep everything cooler.

With that aio, and those fans, you should be able to set them at a constant 50% (about 700ish rpm) and forget they exist.

 

[Ruby b0x]

Radiators, heatsinks, anything cooled by a fan needs airflow across the fins to grab that heat and move it out into the air. Without airflow, what you end up with is an old fashioned water radiator in houses, the whole thing starts getting warm, hot eventually, which will transfer that heat to anything close, metal objects like the frame being most susceptible.

So yes, if you have opposing fans, you create such a low pressure inside the case, and if there's no real way for air to enter, you don't move much air at all, so the heat stays local, concentrated around the radiator.

Flipping the fans around, so you can see the front will improve airflow immensely, you'll be putting air into the case from the front, and sucking it out of the case from the rear. That'll mean air will move over the fins, and get rid of it, away from the fans, which will keep everything cooler.

With that aio, and those fans, you should be able to set them at a constant 50% (about 700ish rpm) and forget they exist.

You were so right the whole time, here's actual pictures and temps check, there's something I need from you again more than tips to keep my case in perfect airflow activity.

So anyway I committed this mistake yesterday:

So I found you were right you feel the air through the ugly side

So I placed them the right way:

Voila, no more heat on the front, everything cool, thanks and this goes for anyone since the actual fan doesn't show the arrows Rubix were talkin' 'bout and the official NZXT video commits this fault actually:

You can see the front case he's taking the air out of the case when he really even has the right push from other sides to actually make that work never, that would insta heat the radiator as well lul.


Now I placed the radiator tubes in the bottom by flipping the radiator per se and I have the following doubts:

One cool thing about the Kraken G12 is it has space for you to set the pump cables around the cooler or below or anywhere just as front with no problems, it means you get more estetic points by hiding or not the tubes which was my idea by setting them in the bottom just to not see them comin across the case from above.

So still I preffer them this way:

Now my doubt is how much the pump cables being almost around the cooler with pressure to put them and the like just as these in below that seem to have to go up to reach the pump would affect anything at all? You would say it doesn't affect anything and the pressure is already static by the radiator, OK, I'll ignore that then yet I wanna show you something weird and it might be related to the position of the fans as well.

Yesterday I installed the Kraken and the GPU with new thermal and everything fresh power up the machine showed me this amazing idle time:

33 celsius idle just fresh, it stood like that with no problems, it actually didn't go further than 33-34 for a lot of idle time just there in the desktop while I was taking the video for a friend who I bought the Kraken x72 with still 10 months of guarantee left for an amazing 120 bucks!1!!, so anyway, this was yesterday and I had the fans in a different way which wasn't either making the mistake above, they were just the same way but pushing air out of the case instead of bringing from outside:

Sorry for poor pics from yesterday I only have that wassap video, still you can see the fans are pushing air out through the radiator outside there and the temps were 33 grades, yes, that amazes me for an idle of a gpu and more likely the r9 290x cuz you gotta see the popularity it has for being literally an oven... Now after changing the front fans and everything I thought the GPU would actually hit the lowest once I power up back and check their idle common time, yet now they won't go lower than 36 grades:

It stays on 36 and goes to up to 39 grades now after keeping the PC up for quite a while just as I went full bersek on the rpm and pump before to see if I could bring down the 36 to 33 just to check the real cooling heat on full throttle and heat on the case front and all that, everything was great and cool in the case front and no more heat problems even running the 100% rpm fans that for this Kraken is insane to do, he's right you can just set them up to 40% will be absolutely silent and never touch 'em again but the temperature didn't go lower 1 grade even after going full throttle which means the idle is constant and common in this gpu and I understand that, I guess there isn't much to do, just powering up a gpu and having 36 temp is pretty good and awesome yet I'd love to keep a 33 grades idle cuz it means under heavy load and voltage it won't go as much either later, I understand liquid cooling now, they stabilize temperatures and keep 'em at certain rate unlike other cooling mechanics they don't try to cool but to keep the temperature from going up by actually cooling more yes but is more efficient and complex than that, I wouldn't say they try to freeze your chip but rather stabilize it which is great and more efficient.

So anyway now I am on 40c, again the only difference from yesterday since I had the tubes on the bottom as well and pretty much the same tube around the G12 cooler was that the fans were ejecting air out of the case passing through the radiator -> Front , I had 33 grades, it was night, room temp might be better too yesterday but still I have air going in the room atm and still it shows 6 more grades which I think is a relevant change, I wonder also if it was just because the grizzly thermal paste was just applied and full fresh install since also my girl was using the computer in the morning but yes I turned off the computer for quite a while to move the fans in the right position and all that, still I certainly wonder why the 6 more degrees now with no options to comeback to that cool 33 degrees, so should I move the fans back to the front and send air out of the front just to test? I think I will for you guys but if I find no much difference I'd say is just the common gpu idle now time after usage or w/e.


Now final question: The PSU has the fan at the bottom of the case while this case has some cool grid in the psu box side with the possibility to send the air to the top as it would go to the inside of the case, is this a good idea? To use the bottom PSU to send air up the case or should I leave it in that position sending all the air to the bottom?

Thanks, you guys rock, I think I'll move the fans to the front but again they shouldn't have impact in the case internals since they pulling air from the case to the outside passing through the radiator I questioned that cuz it's sort of the same and you'd think bringing air inside is better with the top and rear fans as exhaust.

Any tips for this set up will be really appreciated, also on top I have a garbage $1 little red light bulbs corsair that's like stock for really old and garbage cases and the rear is the Fractal 140mm one that comes with the case, the problem is I can only use 5 Fans atm, 3 front connected to second CPU fan sys, the third fan has the splitter for the Kraken g12 little fan in the card and the rear connected, is a splitter with 2 fans more for one socket, so the corsair on top is still using the old serial PSU cable that was used in the old hard drives and that's how I give power to the top one, I think I wouldn't be able to power the fractal since it actually requires a 3 pin port too and I have none left this MSI board only comes with 3 fans including the CPU and the GPU fan 3 pin is way too little and doesn't fit, the r9 290x gpu fan 3-pin slot has to be descarded since nothing enters there.

Anyway, really appreciate any tip, any suggestion and should I bring the fans inside to pull air out through the radiator just to check? Or maybe it was just new fresh install yesterday with new thermal that gave me the cool 33 degrees idle?

 

[Karadjgne]

Tubing down (2nd pic) would be better, less stress (almost none in fact) on the connection to the pump. The fact you prefer the look is a bonus.

The fan on the psu is setup to pull air in. So with the psu upside-down, with the fan facing the grill on the bottom of the case, it's totally isolated from the case dynamics. Cold air gets sucked in from below and pushed through the psu guts, catches any heat and finally shoved out the back. All the while never interfering with or being interfered with by the case. If you turn the psu right side up. The fan will act as an exhaust. It'll suck air from the case to shove out back, instead of nice cold air from under the case. In some builds, with bad airflow, and little choice on exhausts, this is a benefit. For most cases with an established good airflow pattern of low/front to high/rear, it's not a benefit. Especially if the gpu is standard air-cooled, as now the psu is fighting gpu fans for fresh air. A 120mm/140mm fan vrs 2-3x 60mm fans, guess what's going to get the lions share of air.

Best bet, leave the psu fan down. It's also quieter that way.

33°C idle for a gpu, is about right. Even on high loads, that x72 capacity won't let the gpu get very high at all. The 3x fans on the rad should be coming from the pump, powered by Sata. Controlled by Cam via the USB2 cable connection. The fan connection should be to gpu via adapter. Like this one. That should set cam up as accurate to the gpu, (g12fan on splitter from the gpu) fans/pump will respond according to gpu temps directly. Also frees up that cpu_fan2 header which can then be used for rear, with the top exhausts on the sys_fan header.

And don't knock cheapo led stock fans lol. The Clear, blue led stock 140mm CM has been a champ these last 7 years. Runs super quiet and moves a ton of air. 😎

 

[Ruby b0x]

Tubing down (2nd pic) would be better, less stress (almost none in fact) on the connection to the pump. The fact you prefer the look is a bonus.

The fan on the psu is setup to pull air in. So with the psu upside-down, with the fan facing the grill on the bottom of the case, it's totally isolated from the case dynamics. Cold air gets sucked in from below and pushed through the psu guts, catches any heat and finally shoved out the back. All the while never interfering with or being interfered with by the case. If you turn the psu right side up. The fan will act as an exhaust. It'll suck air from the case to shove out back, instead of nice cold air from under the case. In some builds, with bad airflow, and little choice on exhausts, this is a benefit. For most cases with an established good airflow pattern of low/front to high/rear, it's not a benefit. Especially if the gpu is standard air-cooled, as now the psu is fighting gpu fans for fresh air. A 120mm/140mm fan vrs 2-3x 60mm fans, guess what's going to get the lions share of air.

Best bet, leave the psu fan down. It's also quieter that way.

33°C idle for a gpu, is about right. Even on high loads, that x72 capacity won't let the gpu get very high at all. The 3x fans on the rad should be coming from the pump, powered by Sata. Controlled by Cam via the USB2 cable connection. The fan connection should be to gpu via adapter. Like this one. That should set cam up as accurate to the gpu, (g12fan on splitter from the gpu) fans/pump will respond according to gpu temps directly. Also frees up that cpu_fan2 header which can then be used for rear, with the top exhausts on the sys_fan header.

And don't knock cheapo led stock fans lol. The Clear, blue led stock 140mm CM has been a champ these last 7 years. Runs super quiet and moves a ton of air. 😎

I am obsessed with coming back to the 33 degrees it was yesterday after fresh install, I just cant and it is not letting the pc turned off a while and then check when everything is pretty much dead cold, it is definitely not room ambient temperature either I just think my pump is getting sacked by yesterday high heat on the rad due to my retarded front set up and so now it boots Windows at 43-44 degrees and slowly gets back to 38 lowest, I am somehow sad but even if you dont think 3 degrees or 5 less it had yesterday is any relevant I still think with such stability at idle at high loads must give just as good results, we cannot really talk of r9 290x compared with other idle or load temps of these gpus they test in YouTube, r9 290x is quite unique in his stronk heat as well... So I am very Happy with the results of not listening a jet plane landing in the room while I play Skyrim SE full modded enbseries máx ultra settings 1980x1000.. Etc thing is that is an extreme load and my baby doesnt pass the 55 degrees or 60 when 2 hours on 55 and comeback yes, so I just want to fix the awesome 33 idle after fresh install and my question is, could it be the just placed thermal paste? Or I damage the pump or liquid a bit with yesterday strong heat... What do you think? I will continúe testing and FYI the coolers inside the case taking air out exhaust through the radiator ir not giving me any better result is kindda equal actually... The radiator is receiving the same Flow of air so just the opposite way and I will allow the g12 fan and the cpu fan to revolve hot air around while I continúe exhausting cuz it seems these exhausting air actually do some intake too and right now the ryzen 3 1200 is the one warming the case but is expected and will get another AIO less extreme later just that... I want the 33 degrees, do you think I damaged the pump somehow by such heat before?

Regarding that splitter for the tiny uncomfortable gpu fan 3 pin conn I need it yes but right now the cam on cpu fan is acting sort of The same if I just do a profile for gpu and adjust the temp curve but yeah will be better if it attends and detects gpu directly.

 

[Ruby b0x]

Final happy update and personal thoughts overall.

When I had the pump tubes comin' from the top of the radiator down to the card windows would start at 45 and go down slowly to 38 degrees, I swapped the radiator as you can see to set the tubes in the bottom and everything changed radically, the temperature at boot was 35 degrees almost my 33 I wish I could comeback and now I just think it was a cold night yesterday or something in the open room after installing that gave me these precious 33 Celsius also while testing on idle I moved the tubes around the g12 to see if the temp would change at all, it really didn't so the tubes position once they pumpin' from the bottom won't really change you can just leave it at your peril.

Even tho I think I broke a record in the Kraken industry, my liquid temperature went to this point:

I wonder if anyone has seen liquid temp under 30 degrees, meh, I was happy, I did 100% fan speed to check again if it will go below 35 degrees but it didn't and just after some minutes on it goes to 36-38 which is more than expected as all the other components heat a bit the place as well.

That was the beautiful boot and during the %100 fan speed that I will never use and thanks to the current liquid temp it actually went a bit lower:

34 almost my 33 yesterday after fresh install, so I'm more than OK with this and won't touch a thing.

Now another question for my seniors here more likely Kara enlightenment, should I set the fans in the Bios as PWM or DC for all the current Sys 1 and Sys 2 available since the 3rd is the CPU fan that is already on smart mode according to temp from the Bios and won't really change....?

Then another of my questions would be, what can I do next on my case to get better airflow as I only have one fan rear and top for exhaust the warm air around, still I must admit everything is pretty much on exhaust at this point but is giving me good crops due to the same x72 radiator at front that is also giving a bit of air and more likely better than from outside trying to bring air intake for a reason: When the radiator is in the middle of anything no much air to actually make any real change in the flow will happen, if I set the fans outside the case and pass through the radiator as intake it won't really intake anything since the radiator pretty much takes all the air to itself which is the same as the fans inside but in this way at least the inside is actually more close to the exhaust and little intake it does by pressure against the radiator, I think it's the best way as I already tested since it keeps the internal components with more airflow, quicker exhaust, etc, so I'll leave it that way and the top and rear fans could actually be as intake instead of exhaust but I think I saw bad results on this set-up right now and also I detected that there was a lot of noise from the cheap corsair on top connected to IDE PSU that's not even on a fan pin there so still it was like making noise for swapping its position more likely and nothing else happened I just put it back to exhaust since it's also a bit doubtful how much impact it can do against the current exhaust and movement of air from the g12 fan and the CPU that's like pushing the one they trying to take out and actually elevates as any heat does, so exhaust is a must for top I guess... now rear fan gave me some bad results if not I can say nothing really changed by sending air to the same center of the motherboard that's actually moving a lot of air from the vertical gpu fan and the same cpu that I don't even know where it sends the air if it's not the heatsink little places where it just goes up I guess...

So pretty happy to have the average 35-40 idle again even if I would like to try getting to 33" I am just tired of moving the radiator and fans every time I wanna test anything cuz hiding the cables is also a bit annoying and still I question if I can really stay at 35 after having the PC turned on for quite a while just as high resolution and a bit of movement overall, I think I need to focus more on the Ryzen cooling because the heat can be sent easily to all the place and more likely the GPU below as it heats all the back of the PC itself yet the vertical might sustain a bit since it's somehow away from it.

Now my personal thoughts on the Meshify C Fractal case are somehow really personal and I don't see them somewhere else as I did my research before acquiring the beauty:

-Saying it's one of the cases with the greatest air-flow might not be too accurate, the open front is an advantage for sure and the beautiful front design of the fractal itself gives that feeling of a low profile serious case with no much care for these gaming set-ups that look like a Christmas Tree (But some love it?) and the reason why it's not accurate is because it has an strong dust filter along with the same metal that's in front, for sure air might flow better even from inside but you need to rather push it to get inside, fans on intake won't really get much air by passing from such filter IMHO.

-The case only supports 3 - 120mm in the front, top only 2 140 or 120 and only one 140 in the rear, is not the biggest case either I love the tiny again low profile serious design with such finish that you feel it's actually an Apple case according to the well made parts and metal/aluminium/etc.

-The bottom has another big dust filter that covers all the bottom, it might be of less importance since you're actually not passing any real air through it as it would only be the CPU yet I think you can set some Fans next to the CPU where the SATA HDD cage was and you have to take out the cage to install the 3 front ones or the last one will never fit.

These are my thoughts regarding the Meshify that's widely appreciated by many enthusiasts just as me, I love the case and being that compact while still being a tower makes you feel everything is quite tight, quite hidden and in the best position since I got this case to be another painting or canvas in my room but as this artistic computing demonstration that gives my room a pretty cool feeling just as I do love the current advantages it gives the latest acquisitions I got.

Thank you all and will love some more tips over my set-up to increment air-flow, I think getting AIO for the Ryzen is now a must since when playing under heavy load it does warm the whole case absolutely, thanks the Kraken keeps the GPU away from any of that but everything else feels quite warm after a while and I am not into overclocking since I know you can safely go a bit voltage more and 400 mhz or 200 mhz with not a single risk but I don't need such power, I don't do or I'm not doing any tasks that actually requires me the overclock just as the games I'm currently playing are not asking me for more power I already have.

 

[Karadjgne]

Yes, the Meshify is one of the best airflow cases there is,especially when the 2x silence covers are installed and just running 3x1.

Leave the fans on auto voltage. I. The bios, you have the option, DC only (that's for 3pin fans), pwm only (for 4pin fans) and auto which controls either as needed. Cpu_fan header is dedicated pwm. It's not changeable to DC. It runs a constant 12v, no matter what the cpu settings are, so is always good for air coolers or AIO pumps.

Yes, my kraken x61 would show 28°C liquid temps when it was set for pull/intake and I ramped the fans up. But that was too loud for my tastes, so I set it on silent mode/ respond to liquid temp and basically forgot about it for the next 6 years. Fans almost never went over @ 650rpm.

No. Air is air. It doesn't just stop and disappear. When you use the fans to push air through the radiator, they do just that, through the radiator, to the inside of the case. Works the same if the fans are on the inside in pull, you pull air through the rad from the outside.

 

[Ruby b0x]

Yes, the Meshify is one of the best airflow cases there is,especially when the 2x silence covers are installed and just running 3x1.

Leave the fans on auto voltage. I. The bios, you have the option, DC only (that's for 3pin fans), pwm only (for 4pin fans) and auto which controls either as needed. Cpu_fan header is dedicated pwm. It's not changeable to DC. It runs a constant 12v, no matter what the cpu settings are, so is always good for air coolers or AIO pumps.

Yes, my kraken x61 would show 28°C liquid temps when it was set for pull/intake and I ramped the fans up. But that was too loud for my tastes, so I set it on silent mode/ respond to liquid temp and basically forgot about it for the next 6 years. Fans almost never went over @ 650rpm.

No. Air is air. It doesn't just stop and disappear. When you use the fans to push air through the radiator, they do just that, through the radiator, to the inside of the case. Works the same if the fans are on the inside in pull, you pull air through the rad from the outside.

Big finding tho, the three parameter the kraken uses is a bit confusing since you need to maintain the 3 together in the same stable control (Liquid temp/GPU temp and more importantly the Radiator itself that can heat the whole case or front by having high liquid temp or in this case the GPU high getting all the liquid at really high levels while the radiator is not getting enough fan speed to corroborate the coolin') so it's funny, as you said it works for 6 years in silent and you forget about it, unless you find what I found, it looks like the air filter that's like an sponge sort of thing in the Meshify C front was accumulating heat and leaving it there at low rpm while radiator was high, so as I was trying to get air out of the case by having the fans inside the case passing through radiator to the outside in that specific panel all the warm air was accumulating and creating more heat since at low rpm's as the silent mode runs the fan never gets as strong as needed to actually bypass the sponge material and the radiator behind the front panel, now I am doing intake from outside and since there's no such panel or dust filter bothering the radiator inside it just cools fine but yeah had to change it.

So I'll leave all fans automatic, thanks, it's incredible, now I run full Skyrim SE at ultra settings for half an hour and since the temperature doesn't rise higher than 45 which I never believe could happen the fans never get the actual speed needed sometimes to maintain the liquid and radiator more likely at the necessary stable cool level, heh, I only come across more issues while trying to leave this perfectly, I would love to put it on top but I'll put on top the one for the Ryzen, so I'll now intake from front as I should yet the intake is so little since the radiator takes all the air that's what I said before, the radiator in the middle means no real intake but rather even some hot air getting inside if the radiator is heating and you don't notice or have the temps controlled, anyway I think I don't need to use the gpu fan since there's a gpu tab at the fan/pump options so it means it takes in consideration anything related to the gpu temp and gpu stability.

Thanks for yer tiem.