Krovikan Vampire questions

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Heya.....here:

Krovikan Vampire
{3}{B}{B}
Creature -- Vampire
3/3
Whenever a creature dealt damage by Krovikan Vampire this turn is put
into a graveyard, put that card into play under your control at end of
turn. Sacrifice the creature when you lose control of Krovikan
Vampire.

Let's say we get the vampire to poke itself for 1 point somehow.
Later in the turn, it dies from some other effect. Does it come back
at end of turn?

Or, more generally, if the vampire damages a creature, and then the
creature AND the vampire die, does the creature come back and stay in
play?

The wording "Sacrifice the creature when you lose control of Krovikan
Vampire" is the source of the confusion. If a creature comes back at
the end of the turn, and the vampire is gone already, there's no
triggering of the "when you lose control" part. Or is that not an
actual trigger template?

Thanks,

Rick Kunkel

 

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Rick Kunkel <NOSPAM-kunkel@w-link.net> wrote:
>Krovikan Vampire 3BB Creature -- Vampire
>3/3 Whenever a creature dealt damage by ~ this turn is put into a graveyard,
> put that card into play under your control at end of turn. Sacrifice the
> creature when you lose control of ~.
>
>Let's say we get the vampire to poke itself for 1 point somehow.
>Later in the turn, it dies from some other effect. Does it come back
>at end of turn?

Yes, of course. And if you later lose control of it, you ... don't do anything,
because you've long since lost control of "the KV that made this ability".

>Or, more generally, if the vampire damages a creature, and then the
>creature AND the vampire die, does the creature come back and stay in play?

If the creature dies _before_ the Vampire does, or at the same time, the KV
ability triggers, and puts the delayed triggered ability out there when
it resolves. Later, the creature comes back... and since you've already
lost control of the Vampire, the _other_ delayed triggered ability never gets
to trigger.

>The wording "Sacrifice the creature when you lose control of Krovikan
>Vampire" is the source of the confusion. If a creature comes back at
>the end of the turn, and the vampire is gone already, there's no
>triggering of the "when you lose control" part. Or is that not an
>actual trigger template?

That is another delayed triggered ability. It triggers if you lose control of
KV after the triggered ability resolves; if this is _before_ you get the
creature back from the first delayed triggered ability? It does Nothing when
it resolves because what it's trying to sacrifice doesn't exist yet (to
simplify things). And it'll only trigger once, since no duration is given
here, so the creature appearing -after- that is Quite Safe.

Dave
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