Question Laptop with Ryzen 9955HX3D, a 5090m and 96GB DDR5 5600MHz RAM is under-performing ?

[StanX3D]

Hi Guys,

Just about 2 weeks a goo I received a Recoil 16 water-cooled gaming laptop from PCspecialist.
I have chosen to have 250gb storage with this laptop as I already have got from my previous system total of 6TB, and this nvme's came from a Desktop based on i9 14900k with 64GB DDR5 7000Mhz and with RTX 4090 OC Strix and board was Hero Z690 my previous system was an monster pulling at 4k 127FPS in MSFS 2020 on ultra highest settings, now my previous systems nvme had already installed my OS W11Pro and when I changed laptops nvme with my own I made sure I got rid of all intel junk and any potential stuff, on top I have used fix tool essentially what happened was windows installed a windows on top of already existing one this way I kept all my documents and games and million of info and all kind of things I had.

So then installed recommended software by guys that built my laptop as this is custom build laptop. After install all drivers and nvidia drivers I did run Cinebench R23 and prior I checked if all my cores were there and if my temps and all was tuned and set to performance, and also almost forgot to mention to preserve battery and reduce heat I disconnected battery connector pin form board and just using my laptop connected to the wall plug with my 420w power adapter or charger whatever you call it, now I open my Cinebench and click on run multi core benchmark!

Now performance and what I saw was quite shocking as after watching and reading about 9955HX3D this cpu pulls around 38k pts in Cinebench with no need to touch anything just click run and I should see that lvl of performance, but my cpu was giving not even close I'm getting 11120k occasionally 11210pts! temps are in check range of 62-66c and gpu at this point is around 57c, my all cores and some where hitting 4.5/5.3Ghz during test, but here is interesting the power only hits 30.3W and 29.8W, this is even that my power setting are unrestricted to pull all and as much as it can! during my test no even throttling was observed!

Now I did even what I was asked by technician from PCspecialist, updated my bios re flashed it as they said some times they had systems that would perform strange and re flash bios would fix that, in my case something is limiting full power I'm not even sure what, also Bios has no restrictions and I even configure laptop to use only GPU and not hybrid mod or iGPU, so that cpu can have all it needs to get that max power and reduce any potential extra heat.

So guys can anyone let me know any potential thoughts on windows, perhaps there is some registry or any other thing that I need to check or clean to get the cpu power back were it supposed to be, last thing I actually need to check is see put the original nvme drive with the OS that it came and just install drivers and get the Cinebench and try run test to see if its just OS or something else limiting cpu power draw .

So be my guest throw here some guesses or potential fixes guys you are more than welcome! Please

Thank you all spending time reading and trying help !

 

[StanX3D]

My Bios setting perhaps this can help

https://imgur.com/a/G5gjMW3

 

[StanX3D]

Okay after I disabled the SMT control I was able to get 11600pts but no more and what that did was disable quite few cores, not much of a difference tbh, but again major reviewers and YouTubers did not have to do any of this and they were able to pull 37-38k pts solid, making this laptop cpu one and among the even desktop cpus one of much powerful.


Link to some test and reviews:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Chine...-than-Intel-Core-Ultra-9-285HX.1026286.0.html

Based on many out there I did not see any needed manipulation with cpu settings in bios and cpu was able to pull near 40k pts


This is another review but in Chinese just use translate to English, quite informative review.

未来型キャッシュ「AMD 3D V-Cache」搭載の爆速CPU「Ryzen 9 9955HX3D」を計った!!= 「ROG Strix G16」実機レビュー

RTX5070Tiも高速なのでお買い得マシンです!!

ascii.jp

 

[Misgar]

I have chosen to have 250gb storage with this laptop

If your Windows boot drive is only 250GB, swap it for a 1TB or 2TB drive. A 250GB drive will have fewer "channels" and run slower than a 1TB drive with (possibly) 4x the number of channels.

In addition, if your 250GB SSD is an old Gen.3, a modern fast Gen.4 will run faster.

A fresh install of Windows would get rid of any old crud left by a previous installation.

 

[StanX3D]

If your Windows boot drive is only 250GB, swap it for a 1TB or 2TB drive. A 250GB drive will have fewer "channels" and run slower than a 1TB drive with (possibly) 4x the number of channels.

In addition, if your 250GB SSD is an old Gen.3, a modern fast Gen.4 will run faster.

A fresh install of Windows would get rid of any old crud left by a previous installation.

Hi there, thanks for response friend,

But as mentioned I have total of 6TB the drives are Samsung Pro, Sabrent Plus, Crucial P5 Plus and of which the 3 are gen 4 and 1 is gen 3 which is main for windows and it’s Samsung pro, and all them have great speeds and very good performance, so drives is not my concern is the cpu that gives me no matter what 11600pts and even the original 250gb nvme with fresh installed windows gives me 13000pts which is still sad score for an 9955hx3D cpu plus I never seen more than 30.02W pulling of the wall, something is limiting cpu from open up.

 

[Misgar]

I never seen more than 30.02W pulling of the wall, something is limiting cpu from open up.

The 9955HX3D has a nominal TDP of 55W on its own and with all the other components in your laptop, I'd expect it to pull over 100W when pushed hard, especially if the charger is rated at 280W.

When the BIOS was updated, did you load the Optimized Defaults, or as I do, dive in immediately and start making changes? It might be worth resetting the BIOS to base settings.

Another thing is switching off Fast Startup, assuming it's enabled. Although it might not seem relevant, I've seen reports of this fixing poor CPU performance on other laptops.
https://www.windowscentral.com/soft...-enable-or-disable-fast-startup-on-windows-11

I've never used ThrottleStop but it might give some clues as to what your CPU is doing.
https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-throttlestop/

 

[StanX3D]

The 9955HX3D has a nominal TDP of 55W on its own and with all the other components in your laptop, I'd expect it to pull over 100W when pushed hard, especially if the charger is rated at 280W.

When the BIOS was updated, did you load the Optimized Defaults, or as I do, dive in immediately and start making changes? It might be worth resetting the BIOS to base settings.

Another thing is switching off Fast Startup, assuming it's enabled. Although it might not seem relevant, I've seen reports of this fixing poor CPU performance on other laptops.
https://www.windowscentral.com/soft...-enable-or-disable-fast-startup-on-windows-11

I've never used ThrottleStop but it might give some clues as to what your CPU is doing.
https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-throttlestop/

Well this laptop has power adapter of 480w it’s quite powerful, also I did bios update and did not touch anything so can say it’s within default settings fresh from bios install, then windows also has been installed you can say fresh, done all relevant test and same time I have fresh AMD drivers for chipset, new updated drivers for 5090, I mean I know my stuff as I not only installed drivers but used ddu to make sure all is clean then I used the nvcleanstall, so my drivers are optimised and via profile inspector I did set on general rBAR enabled as it was disabled, all I can say is in any game I drop into this laptop I see insane performance and fps not that far from my previous 4080/4090 strix oc, also my laptop is water cooled I was able to pull some oc on this 5090 so my memory is equally fast as desktop 4090 perhaps slightly faster due to GDDR7 and runs at 28460Mhz my GPU core has aditonal 100mhz on top and temps are crazy good 67c while 1:45/2h in MSFS 2020/2024 flying around with flybywire A380X or in inibuilds A350 and tested even in Fenix A320 those are insanely high quality and demanding airliners all in 8k true textures, and using frame gen 3x -4x I get range of 70-100fps in and out of liner with FSLTL running and navigraph along with BeyondATC and premium sub for voice characters. So my sim is packed and heavy 1080 mods in total installed over 2.5tb if not more! And DCS is another beast I got installed with all Modules you can only imagine that is another beast of sim, hens I got 96GB ram to handle all that!


But what I can’t get is why cpu only able to pull 30.06w in benchmarks and only gives me 11600pts max I saw was 13200pts with fresh windows 11pro as I got another backup drive that has windows 11pro on it and that drive when installed give me around 13200/13500pts, yet to try and connect battery back to my laptop! As one thing I can’t observe is that “and to me dose not make any sense” when I go into device manager and deactivate the battery controllers the ones responsible for battery management my Nvidia gpu stop working I mean drivers just do not work and it’s like gpu is there but not there! Can see it in device manager but somehow is tide in to battery, once I activate all 2 battery modules in device manager, my Nvidia is again back to normal work and drivers are detected and gpu works as intended! Strange but I have to try and connect battery to see what happens if that unlock cpu power draw!

 

[geofelt]

My canned response to laptop performance issues:
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I see many complaints about gaming laptops not performing well.
Usually gaming while plugged in.
One common cause is thermal throttling.
Laptop coolers must, of necessity be small and light.
The coolers are also relatively underpowered.
If you run an app such as HWMonitoryou will get the current, minimum, and maximum cpu temperatures. Set to see each individual core.
For intel processors, if you see a max of 100c. in red, it means you have throttled.
I think the number for ryzen is more like 85c-90c.
The cpu will lower it's multiplier and power draw to protect itself until the situation reverses.
At a lower multiplier, your cpu usage may well be at 100%
What can you do?
First, see that your cooler airways are clear and that the cooler fan is spinning.
Use a windows balanced power profile, not the performance profile.
Set a minimum cpu performance to something like 20%

It is counter-intuitive, but, try changing the windows balanced power profile advanced functions to a max of 95% instead of the default of 100%
You may not notice the reduced cpu performance.

 

[mentose]

Hi, it's clearly not normal this low score with a 9955HX3D. I think like you that maybe it comes from the system installed on top of the old one, it often creates invisible conflicts. Try with the clean original SSD, just to see if the CPU can finally get all its power. Keep us posted, I'm interested too!

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