Last Minute Clarification

[BakToThePak]

So I recently just finished my build, but before I head out and buy it, I justed wanted to see what you guys think of it. As for the expensive prices, Australia. Thanks!

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($215.00)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212X 82.9 CFM CPU Cooler ($55.00)
Motherboard: ASRock 990FX Killer ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($209.00)
Memory: Kingston HyperX FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($107.00)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($64.00)
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($102.00)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 380X 4GB NITRO Video Card ($389.00)
Case: Corsair 400R ATX Mid Tower Case ($118.00)
Power Supply: Thermaltake SMART 750W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($129.00)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($142.00)
Case Fan: Thermaltake Pure 12 LED 41.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($60.00)
Monitor: LG 22MP47HQ 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($149.00)
Mouse: Logitech G402 Wired Optical Mouse ($49.00)
Headphones: Logitech G430 7.1 Channel Headset ($75.00)
Other: Logitech G310 Keyboard ($115.00)
Other: Logitech G440 Mousepad ($21.00)
Total: $1999.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-22 15:06 AEDT+1100

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6400 2.7GHz Quad-Core Processor ($269.00)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212X 82.9 CFM CPU Cooler ($55.00)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty H170 Performance ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($159.00)
Memory: Kingston FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($125.00)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($93.00)
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($102.00)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 380X 4GB NITRO Video Card ($389.00)
Case: Corsair 400R ATX Mid Tower Case ($118.00)
Power Supply: Antec TruePower Classic 750W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($156.00)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($142.00)
Case Fan: Thermaltake Pure 12 LED 41.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($60.00)
Monitor: LG 22MP47HQ 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($149.00)
Mouse: Logitech G402 Wired Optical Mouse ($49.00)
Headphones: Logitech G430 7.1 Channel Headset ($75.00)
Other: Logitech G310 Keyboard ($115.00)
Other: Logitech G440 Mousepad ($21.00)
Total: $2077.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-22 21:30 AEDT+1100

 

[Danger_Noodle]

I mean it's about as good as a $2000 AUD PC can be while using a 4 year old CPU.

The only thing that you outright need to change is get a better PSU. Get one that's 80+ Gold, get one that's modular. You'll thank me later. You don't spend this much money on building a nice PC and then cheap out on the PSU.

 

[TJ Hooker]

I seem to remember hearing that line of SSDs had pretty lackluster performance, may want to consider something like an 850 Evo if it's not too expensive.

 

[Supermuncher85]

Yeah let me recommend you a CPU that is 5 years old, oh wait no, go Intel.

 

[g-unit1111]

I agree with everyone else in this thread - AMD FX is a *terrible investment* right now - it's a nearly 5 year old platform with no upgrade path that's going to be replaced relatively soon. And stay away from Thermaltake PSUs as well - they're not a brand that is very well recommended around here. This would be a much better investment for $2K AUD:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($345.00 @ Umart)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U9B SE2 37.9 CFM CPU Cooler ($75.00 @ CPL Online)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($160.60 @ Newegg Australia)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($88.00 @ Umart)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($129.00 @ CPL Online)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.00 @ Centre Com)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 980 4GB STRIX Video Card ($725.00 @ IJK)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($105.00 @ CPL Online)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($159.00 @ CPL Online)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($139.00 @ CPL Online)
Total: $1994.60
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-22 16:02 AEDT+1100

 

[BakToThePak]

So how good would this Intel build I made be?
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6400 2.7GHz Quad-Core Processor ($269.00)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212X 82.9 CFM CPU Cooler ($55.00)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty H170 Performance ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($159.00)
Memory: Kingston FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($125.00)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($93.00)
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($102.00)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 380X 4GB NITRO Video Card ($389.00)
Case: Corsair 400R ATX Mid Tower Case ($118.00)
Power Supply: Cooler Master GX 650W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($109.00)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($142.00)
Case Fan: Thermaltake Pure 12 LED 41.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($60.00)
Monitor: LG 22MP47HQ 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($149.00)
Mouse: Logitech G402 Wired Optical Mouse ($49.00)
Headphones: Logitech G430 7.1 Channel Headset ($75.00)
Other: Logitech G310 Keyboard ($115.00)
Other: Logitech G440 Mousepad ($21.00)
Total: $2030.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-22 19:38 AEDT+1100

I agree with everyone else in this thread - AMD FX is a *terrible investment* right now - it's a nearly 5 year old platform with no upgrade path that's going to be replaced relatively soon. And stay away from Thermaltake PSUs as well - they're not a brand that is very well recommended around here. This would be a much better investment for $2K AUD:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($345.00 @ Umart)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U9B SE2 37.9 CFM CPU Cooler ($75.00 @ CPL Online)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($160.60 @ Newegg Australia)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($88.00 @ Umart)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($129.00 @ CPL Online)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.00 @ Centre Com)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 980 4GB STRIX Video Card ($725.00 @ IJK)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($105.00 @ CPL Online)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($159.00 @ CPL Online)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($139.00 @ CPL Online)
Total: $1994.60
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-22 16:02 AEDT+1100

 

[Danger_Noodle]

Stop trying to buy low quality PSUs!!! G-Unit posted an example of a good psu and you turned it back into tier 3 garbage.

Go through this list and pick something from tier 1 or 2.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

 

[BakToThePak]

Better?
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6400 2.7GHz Quad-Core Processor ($269.00)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212X 82.9 CFM CPU Cooler ($55.00)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty H170 Performance ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($159.00)
Memory: Kingston FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($125.00)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($93.00)
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($102.00)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 380X 4GB NITRO Video Card ($389.00)
Case: Corsair 400R ATX Mid Tower Case ($118.00)
Power Supply: Antec TruePower Classic 750W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($156.00)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($142.00)
Case Fan: Thermaltake Pure 12 LED 41.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($60.00)
Monitor: LG 22MP47HQ 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($149.00)
Mouse: Logitech G402 Wired Optical Mouse ($49.00)
Headphones: Logitech G430 7.1 Channel Headset ($75.00)
Other: Logitech G310 Keyboard ($115.00)
Other: Logitech G440 Mousepad ($21.00)
Total: $2077.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-22 21:30 AEDT+1100

Stop trying to buy low quality PSUs!!! G-Unit posted an example of a good psu and you turned it back into tier 3 garbage.

Go through this list and pick something from tier 1 or 2.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

 

[Danger_Noodle]

Yes, you're good to go.

 

[TJ Hooker]

FYI, the aftermarket cooler is unnecessary for that CPU, or really any non-k Intel CPU. Could maybe put the money saved towards upgrading to an i5 6500 or something.

Also, for $60, that better be one hell of a case fan 😛

 

[BakToThePak]

Aren't the stock fans loud? I'd preferably have a quite one.
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FYI, the aftermarket cooler is unnecessary for that CPU, or really any non-k Intel CPU. Could maybe put the money saved towards upgrading to an i5 6500 or something.

Also, for $60, that better be one hell of a case fan 😛

 

[TJ Hooker]

I had a stock fan for my i3 6100, only time I could ever hear it was when stressing with Prime 95 or something.

 

[BakToThePak]

But by chipping in that bit extra, the CPU should be cooler and quiet, which means better longevity right?

I had a stock fan for my i3 6100, only time I could ever hear it was when stressing with Prime 95 or something.

 

[g-unit1111]

Stop trying to buy low quality PSUs!!! G-Unit posted an example of a good psu and you turned it back into tier 3 garbage.

Go through this list and pick something from tier 1 or 2.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

Agree 110% ! $2K budget and you don't want to hurt yourself by buying a ridiculously low quality PSU. Those Cooler Master GX power supplies are about the worst you can get. Before throwing down $2K on any rig, I suggest doing more research on power supplies.

 

[BakToThePak]

I already fixed the issue, I'm using an Antec True Power Classic 650W 80+ Gold Certified.

Stop trying to buy low quality PSUs!!! G-Unit posted an example of a good psu and you turned it back into tier 3 garbage.

Go through this list and pick something from tier 1 or 2.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

Agreed! $2K budget and you don't want to hurt yourself by buying a ridiculously low quality PSU. Those Cooler Master GX power supplies are about the worst you can get. Before throwing down $2K on any rig, I suggest doing more research on power supplies.

 

[g-unit1111]

FYI, the aftermarket cooler is unnecessary for that CPU, or really any non-k Intel CPU. Could maybe put the money saved towards upgrading to an i5 6500 or something.

Also, for $60, that better be one hell of a case fan 😛

Agreed on both counts.

I already fixed the issue, I'm using an Antec True Power Classic 650W 80+ Gold Certified.

Better, best would be a EVGA G2 or a Seasonic X/G.

But by chipping in that bit extra, the CPU should be cooler and quiet, which means better longevity right?

Not on a locked processor. You only need the aftermarket cooler for overclocking. If you're not going to overclock then forget about purchasing an aftermarket fan.

 

[Danger_Noodle]

I already fixed the issue, I'm using an Antec True Power Classic 650W 80+ Gold Certified.

Stop trying to buy low quality PSUs!!! G-Unit posted an example of a good psu and you turned it back into tier 3 garbage.

Go through this list and pick something from tier 1 or 2.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

Agreed! $2K budget and you don't want to hurt yourself by buying a ridiculously low quality PSU. Those Cooler Master GX power supplies are about the worst you can get. Before throwing down $2K on any rig, I suggest doing more research on power supplies.

In Theory, yes the Hyper 212 while unnecessary will likely give you more longevity out of your cpu. These guys are gonna tell you that you don't need it, but personally I'd buy it regardless. I don't recommend the stock heatsink unless you're building a web surfing rig.

I see that you picked an Antec. Which is a decently solid unit. I'm not going over all the prices or anything. But is there a reason you keep picking non-modular PSUs? I'm just wanting to make sure you know what that means and what you're getting into.

 

[TJ Hooker]

A non over clocked CPU will almost certainly be obsolete before it dies, even with stock cooler. I would argue that the 6500 is actually the better option for longevity, as it's faster clocks might allow it to be useful a little longer before it becomes too slow and needs to be replaced.

But it won't make a huge difference either way, it's your call.

 

[BakToThePak]

I'll probably just keep it as it is.

A non over clocked CPU will almost certainly be obsolete before it dies, even with stock cooler. I would argue that the 6500 is actually the better option for longevity, as it's faster clocks might allow it to be useful a little longer before it becomes too slow and needs to be replaced.

But it won't make a huge difference either way, it's your call.

 

[BakToThePak]

Thanks all, I know what to get now.

 

[g-unit1111]

In Theory, yes the Hyper 212 while unnecessary will likely give you more longevity out of your cpu. These guys are gonna tell you that you don't need it, but personally I'd buy it regardless. I don't recommend the stock heatsink unless you're building a web surfing rig.

That's entirely false. It's a myth that having an aftermarket cooler will "improve CPU longevity" but for a locked processor it's quite simply a waste of money period, no matter what your budget is. The stock fans from both Intel and AMD are both sufficient enough and are getting better with each generation (see AMD's new bundled coolers) and they're really plenty.

A non over clocked CPU will almost certainly be obsolete before it dies, even with stock cooler. I would argue that the 6500 is actually the better option for longevity, as it's faster clocks might allow it to be useful a little longer before it becomes too slow and needs to be replaced.

That's not really true either. The i5-6500 is exactly the same processor as a i5-6600K. The differences lie in the fact that the 6600K allows for full overclocking. But at stock speeds, a difference of 0.1GHz between processors is going to make no difference in the long run.

 

[TJ Hooker]

I didn't mean to imply that an over clocked/unlocked CPU will necessarily die sooner. It's just that they have the potential to be over clocked, which can reduce lifespan, if done irresponsibly. With a locked CPU that's not a factor, so you know you're going to be getting the full lifespan out of the chip.

And when I said the the 6500 may be better [than the 6400] in terms of lifespan, I was referring to useful lifespan, not total lifespan.

 

[g-unit1111]

I didn't mean to imply that an over clocked/unlocked CPU will necessarily die sooner. It's just that they have the potential to be over clocked, which can reduce lifespan, if done irresponsibly. With a locked CPU that's not a factor, so you know you're going to be getting the full lifespan out of the chip.

And when I said the the 6500 may be better [than the 6400] in terms of lifespan, I was referring to useful lifespan, not total lifespan.

Yes I agree there that overclocking can cause CPUs to die sooner if not done properly - especially when voltages are being messed with. If we're just talking about a change in VCORE and XMP then that won't completely damage a motherboard or CPU. But to say that one stock clock will have a longer lifespan than the other isn't accurate - we're talking about a stock clock difference of something like 0.1 GHz. So why would a 3.3GHz CPU have a longer lifespan than one that is 3.2GHz?

 

[BakToThePak]

I think he's talking about a decay in quality over time, for example, if we said that a CPU GHz decrease at 0.1 per year, then the i5 6400 would last for 31 years, going down to 0.1 GHz, where as the i5 6500 would be at 0.2 GHz after 31 years, meaning it would last for an extra year in terms of power.

Note: This is an example, it's just as a way to describe what he is saying, therefore I'm not saying that is how CPU quality delay works.

I didn't mean to imply that an over clocked/unlocked CPU will necessarily die sooner. It's just that they have the potential to be over clocked, which can reduce lifespan, if done irresponsibly. With a locked CPU that's not a factor, so you know you're going to be getting the full lifespan out of the chip.

And when I said the the 6500 may be better [than the 6400] in terms of lifespan, I was referring to useful lifespan, not total lifespan.

Yes I agree there that overclocking can cause CPUs to die sooner if not done properly - especially when voltages are being messed with. If we're just talking about a change in VCORE and XMP then that won't completely damage a motherboard or CPU. But to say that one stock clock will have a longer lifespan than the other isn't accurate - we're talking about a stock clock difference of something like 0.1 GHz. So why would a 3.3GHz CPU have a longer lifespan than one that is 3.2GHz?

 

[TJ Hooker]

The stock clock difference between 6400 and 6500 is 500 MHz (300 MHz difference in boost clocks). That's a ~9-19% boost, which is not insignificant. Especially considering that that is about as much boost as most people can expect to get from overclocking, and yet people buy/recommend unlocked CPUs all the time.

I'm saying that, because it's a more powerful CPU, it will be able to provide adequate performance for a little bit longer period of time (in theory) than the 6400. To put in difference terms, the 6500 will be more future proof (although not by a large amount). That's what I meant by useful lifespan.

Again, I'm not saying one chip will actually last longer than the other before it dies. On average, I imagine both chips would be able to run for the same number of years, but most people are going to upgrade for performance reasons before their CPU actually dies.