LCD for Photoshop

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My aging Vivitron monitor has served me well for many years but I
would like to replace it with an LCD display. Sam's club has a nice
looking Samsung 913V. Does this monitor have what it takes to make
subtle picture adjustments in Photoshop?

Richard
 
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:24:26 GMT, Richard <rstaples312@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>My aging Vivitron monitor has served me well for many years but I
>would like to replace it with an LCD display. Sam's club has a nice
>looking Samsung 913V. Does this monitor have what it takes to make
>subtle picture adjustments in Photoshop?
>
>Richard

Unless you've already spent a considerable amout of time and money
adjusting your current monitor temperatures to your prints, then you
have no need to worry.

PJ
 
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> Richard <rstaples312@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Does this [LCD] monitor have what it takes to make
> subtle picture adjustments in Photoshop?

Does any LCD?
Do you intend to attempt calibration?

Anyway, you might get more useful answers in:
news:comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video

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The answer is: it depends.
If you do not calibrate and do not understand and use Adobe style color
management then it matters not.
If you frequently make subtle adjsutments to tone and shadow by painting on
curve masks my experience has been that midlevel CRTS are more reliable than
any LCD I have yet seen.
However if you are that sophisticated then you will be profiling your
printer/ink/paper combination to make sure those subtle adjustments are
printable.
There is no real WYSIWYG for hi end color printing.
There are some very high end LCDs, not available at Sam's Club, that are
supposed to compare to CRTs.
 
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The answer is: it depends.
If you do not calibrate and do not understand and use Adobe style color
management then it matters not.
If you frequently make subtle adjsutments to tone and shadow by painting on
curve masks my experience has been that midlevel CRTS are more reliable than
any LCD I have yet seen.
However if you are that sophisticated then you will be profiling your
printer/ink/paper combination to make sure those subtle adjustments are
printable.
There is no real WYSIWYG for hi end color printing.
There are some very high end LCDs, not available at Sam's Club, that are
supposed to compare to CRTs.
 
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It depends, and I hope someone who owns one will be able to help you..

Probably the most important consideration in using an LCD screen in a
mission critical color situation is how accurately it maintains both
luminosity and color consistency when you sit in front of the monitor
and move you head left to right or up and down.

If the only way you can maintain consistency in the viewing is to hold
your head in a very limited position, in any plain, you will rapidly
begin cursing it. While your eyes will thank you for the lack of
flicker and other fatiguing factors that CRTs create, you neck and head
will hate you when they are forced into limited motion, leading to neck
stiffness and headaches.

Any LCD panel that has a limited accurate angle of view should not be
considered for mission critical color.

Art


Richard wrote:

> My aging Vivitron monitor has served me well for many years but I
> would like to replace it with an LCD display. Sam's club has a nice
> looking Samsung 913V. Does this monitor have what it takes to make
> subtle picture adjustments in Photoshop?
>
> Richard
 
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Arthur Entlich wrote:
> It depends, and I hope someone who owns one will be able to help you..


I have (now pretty old) NEC 1701 and colors are different, although not that
much... It's just i don't work that much with photos, but for someone who
does, i guess it's hard to really see what you did with all filters and
adjustments. For real photo work i think CRT is still only one to go with.

>
> Probably the most important consideration in using an LCD screen in a
> mission critical color situation is how accurately it maintains both
> luminosity and color consistency when you sit in front of the monitor
> and move you head left to right or up and down.
>
> If the only way you can maintain consistency in the viewing is to hold
> your head in a very limited position, in any plain, you will rapidly
> begin cursing it. While your eyes will thank you for the lack of
> flicker and other fatiguing factors that CRTs create, you neck and
> head will hate you when they are forced into limited motion, leading
> to neck stiffness and headaches.
>
> Any LCD panel that has a limited accurate angle of view should not be
> considered for mission critical color.
>
> Art
>
>
> Richard wrote:
>
>> My aging Vivitron monitor has served me well for many years but I
>> would like to replace it with an LCD display. Sam's club has a nice
>> looking Samsung 913V. Does this monitor have what it takes to make
>> subtle picture adjustments in Photoshop?
>>
>> Richard
 
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 13:05:49 -0600, Bob Niland <email4rjn@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> Does this [LCD] monitor have what it takes to make
>> subtle picture adjustments in Photoshop?
>
>Anyway, you might get more useful answers in:
>news:comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video

or news:rec.photo.digital

--
Chris Pollard


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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:24:26 GMT, Richard <rstaples312@yahoo.com> wrote:

>My aging Vivitron monitor has served me well for many years but I
>would like to replace it with an LCD display. Sam's club has a nice
>looking Samsung 913V. Does this monitor have what it takes to make
>subtle picture adjustments in Photoshop?
>
>Richard



Unless you Pay Heaps like $2000us LCD's are not good for Photo work.

Colours are all wrong..
 
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In article <Z04Ed.49316$nN6.10833@edtnps84>, artistic@telus.net (Arthur
Entlich) wrote:

> ...your eyes will thank you for the lack of flicker...

Only if running the current CRT at a very low refresh rate. Unless someone
is /extremely/ sensitive to it, there's no reason why the user of a modern
CRT should suffer from flicker.

Jon.
 
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Jon O'Brien wrote:
> In article <Z04Ed.49316$nN6.10833@edtnps84>, artistic@telus.net
> (Arthur Entlich) wrote:
>
>> ...your eyes will thank you for the lack of flicker...
>
> Only if running the current CRT at a very low refresh rate. Unless
> someone is /extremely/ sensitive to it, there's no reason why the
> user of a modern CRT should suffer from flicker.
>
> Jon.

It's not so much about flicker, it's more radiation and sharpness of LCD.
Once you 're used to LCD, and go back to CRT you can have high refresh rate
but your eyes will still start to pain after less than one minute. Only
after you're used to LCD you see that they have far more sharp picture than
any CRT - of course, if resolution is set to LCD's native one. Also CRT's do
radiate, even if newer models (read expensive) have lower one, and this
radiation causes eye pain.
 
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I'm not convinced that the frequency issue can be summed up based upon
what they *think* human physiometry measures up as. I find, speaking
just for myself, that there is a subliminal type of fatigue from CRTs
regardless of frequency setting.

It may just be having those electrons aimed at my eyes at such a close
distance, or the nature of the "glow", or some other factor I can't
quantify. I just find sitting in front of a LCD screen much more
relaxing, and it's an immediate response, too.

I think more research is needed.

Art

Jon O'Brien wrote:

> In article <Z04Ed.49316$nN6.10833@edtnps84>, artistic@telus.net (Arthur
> Entlich) wrote:
>
>
>>...your eyes will thank you for the lack of flicker...
>
>
> Only if running the current CRT at a very low refresh rate. Unless someone
> is /extremely/ sensitive to it, there's no reason why the user of a modern
> CRT should suffer from flicker.
>
> Jon.
 
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Interesting, I have the same response, and I use a CRT currently and am
in front of it way too much! I've been waiting for the prices to drop a
bit more on the LCDs and for the color accuracy, or at least the
variability based upon head movement to get a bit better. It certainly
has improved quite a bit over the last few years.

I actually just realized, I do have an LCD screen; my older color
laptop, and although it is old and the angle of view is somewhat
critical (I don't use it for mission critical color work) I've missed
the visual relaxation of the screen since my wife has pretty much
decided it is hers ;-)

Art

SleeperMan wrote:

> Jon O'Brien wrote:
>
>>In article <Z04Ed.49316$nN6.10833@edtnps84>, artistic@telus.net
>>(Arthur Entlich) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>...your eyes will thank you for the lack of flicker...
>>
>>Only if running the current CRT at a very low refresh rate. Unless
>>someone is /extremely/ sensitive to it, there's no reason why the
>>user of a modern CRT should suffer from flicker.
>>
>>Jon.
>
>
> It's not so much about flicker, it's more radiation and sharpness of LCD.
> Once you 're used to LCD, and go back to CRT you can have high refresh rate
> but your eyes will still start to pain after less than one minute. Only
> after you're used to LCD you see that they have far more sharp picture than
> any CRT - of course, if resolution is set to LCD's native one. Also CRT's do
> radiate, even if newer models (read expensive) have lower one, and this
> radiation causes eye pain.
>
>
 
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In article <VHcEd.8157$F6.1395403@news.siol.net>, SleeperMan@too.sleepy
(SleeperMan) wrote:

> It's not so much about flicker...

My post was, because I was commenting to your statement: "...your eyes
will thank you for the lack of flicker...".

> Only after you're used to LCD you see that they have far more sharp
> picture than any CRT...

Each individual LC pixel may be sharp but that's not necessarily a good
thing for graphic work. The Gaussian nature of a CRT image is very
effective at smoothing out 'jaggies' and makes a CRT the best bet for
graphic work - unless you can afford one of the newer >200ppi LCDs, as
used in displays such as IBM's Big Bertha.

> Also CRT's do radiate, even if newer models (read expensive) have lower
> one, and this radiation causes eye pain.

Sorry, SleeperMan, but that's rubbish. No CRT currently on the market
(even the cheaper ones) have levels of non-visible radiation sufficient to
give you eye pain. Sitting too close to your CRT, or an out of focus one,
can cause eye strain* but that's a different thing.

* Being Gaussian (~blurred round the edges) in nature, a CRT image can
make the eyes 'hunt' for correct focus, constantly attempting to get the
sharpest image. This overuse strains the muscles used to focus the eyes.
The best way to avoid this is to use the largest, highest-resolution
monitor of the best quality you can afford and to sit as far away from it
as possible (at least 80-90cm).

If you work exclusively with text, then an LCD is ideal; if you do any
serious graphic work then a good CRT-based display is still the best bet
for most users. By the time you need to replace the good-quality CRT you
buy this year, however, that might not be the case.

Jon.
 
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In article <UowEd.75250$dv1.49491@edtnps89>, artistic@telus.net (Arthur
Entlich) wrote:

> I find...that there is a subliminal type of fatigue from CRTs
> regardless of frequency setting.

See my later post. CRTs can be a cause of fatigue, even at higher refresh
rates, but it tends to be due to one or more of: a poor quality display;
an old display in which the focus has drifted (they do need servicing
occasionally); sitting too close to the display; bad ambient lighting;
reflections in the screen (often caused by badly positioned lighting).

You might get away with the last two or three if you use an LCD but a
cheap or badly aligned/focused/adjusted CRT is tiring to use and
environmental factors can make things worse.

Jon.
 
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To be fair to Sleeperman, I believe it was I who made the statement
about the flicker, not he. And you are correct, it isn't really
flicker, but other aspects of the display that seem to cause fatigue.

I still put up with it because, at this point, I cannot justify another
CRT monitor, especially one of more cost, when the technology is so
radically changing. And I do need the color accuracy.

It's a hard choice for people who don't require absolute color accuracy.
For most, especially if you do not play computer games with fast
moving objects, an LCD screen will probably prove to be more enjoyable
viewing, and prices are such now that it may make sense to switch over
now if your old monitor is either becoming too old or too small for your
needs.

Assuming your monitor isn't drifting badly or so out of focus to make
your eyes tear trying to use it and you are stuck with color mission
critical, you might want to cope with your current monitor for another
year and see if the next generation of LCD monitors has better resolved
color accuracy issues.

Each new version of LCD seems to be improved, with better angle of view,
higher definition, higher speed and higher brightness and contrast ratios.

Art


Jon O'Brien wrote:

> In article <VHcEd.8157$F6.1395403@news.siol.net>, SleeperMan@too.sleepy
> (SleeperMan) wrote:
>
>
>>It's not so much about flicker...
>
>
> My post was, because I was commenting to your statement: "...your eyes
> will thank you for the lack of flicker...".
>
>
>>Only after you're used to LCD you see that they have far more sharp
>>picture than any CRT...
>
>
> Each individual LC pixel may be sharp but that's not necessarily a good
> thing for graphic work. The Gaussian nature of a CRT image is very
> effective at smoothing out 'jaggies' and makes a CRT the best bet for
> graphic work - unless you can afford one of the newer >200ppi LCDs, as
> used in displays such as IBM's Big Bertha.
>
>
>>Also CRT's do radiate, even if newer models (read expensive) have lower
>>one, and this radiation causes eye pain.
>
>
> Sorry, SleeperMan, but that's rubbish. No CRT currently on the market
> (even the cheaper ones) have levels of non-visible radiation sufficient to
> give you eye pain. Sitting too close to your CRT, or an out of focus one,
> can cause eye strain* but that's a different thing.
>
> * Being Gaussian (~blurred round the edges) in nature, a CRT image can
> make the eyes 'hunt' for correct focus, constantly attempting to get the
> sharpest image. This overuse strains the muscles used to focus the eyes.
> The best way to avoid this is to use the largest, highest-resolution
> monitor of the best quality you can afford and to sit as far away from it
> as possible (at least 80-90cm).
>
> If you work exclusively with text, then an LCD is ideal; if you do any
> serious graphic work then a good CRT-based display is still the best bet
> for most users. By the time you need to replace the good-quality CRT you
> buy this year, however, that might not be the case.
>
> Jon.
 
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Thank you for the suggestions. I'll consider them and see if anything
can improve the experience. The monitor I use is a middle priced model,
that was considered, for its price, good value about two years ago (17"
model). I just degaussed it for the first time in a number of months,
while I was thinking of it ;-)

Compared to previous monitors I've owned it's a great improvement.

I should probably "visit" some very high end CRT monitories and see if I
find them comforting, just to know, as I can't see buying one now.

Part of the problem is just my aging eyes. I'm at the point where I
should probably get bifocals or transitional lenses.

So, it's probably not the monitor getting too old... it's me! ;-)

Art


Jon O'Brien wrote:

> In article <UowEd.75250$dv1.49491@edtnps89>, artistic@telus.net (Arthur
> Entlich) wrote:
>
>
>>I find...that there is a subliminal type of fatigue from CRTs
>>regardless of frequency setting.
>
>
> See my later post. CRTs can be a cause of fatigue, even at higher refresh
> rates, but it tends to be due to one or more of: a poor quality display;
> an old display in which the focus has drifted (they do need servicing
> occasionally); sitting too close to the display; bad ambient lighting;
> reflections in the screen (often caused by badly positioned lighting).
>
> You might get away with the last two or three if you use an LCD but a
> cheap or badly aligned/focused/adjusted CRT is tiring to use and
> environmental factors can make things worse.
>
> Jon.
 
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Arthur Entlich wrote:
> To be fair to Sleeperman, I believe it was I who made the statement
> about the flicker, not he. And you are correct, it isn't really
> flicker, but other aspects of the display that seem to cause fatigue.
>
> I still put up with it because, at this point, I cannot justify
> another CRT monitor, especially one of more cost, when the technology
> is so radically changing. And I do need the color accuracy.
>
> It's a hard choice for people who don't require absolute color
> accuracy. For most, especially if you do not play computer games
> with fast moving objects, an LCD screen will probably prove to be more
> enjoyable
> viewing, and prices are such now that it may make sense to switch over
> now if your old monitor is either becoming too old or too small for
> your needs.
>
> Assuming your monitor isn't drifting badly or so out of focus to make
> your eyes tear trying to use it and you are stuck with color mission
> critical, you might want to cope with your current monitor for another
> year and see if the next generation of LCD monitors has better
> resolved color accuracy issues.
>
> Each new version of LCD seems to be improved, with better angle of
> view, higher definition, higher speed and higher brightness and
> contrast ratios.
> Art
>


I believe i did write that LCD's doesn't have as realistic photo as CRT's.
Regarding fast games, my (pretty old) NEC has 16ms refresh rate and i don't
see any shadows or similar even at fastest games. It is seen at LCD's with
bigger rate, like 25ms...

>
> Jon O'Brien wrote:
>
>> In article <VHcEd.8157$F6.1395403@news.siol.net>,
>> SleeperMan@too.sleepy (SleeperMan) wrote:
>>
>>
>>> It's not so much about flicker...
>>
>>
>> My post was, because I was commenting to your statement: "...your
>> eyes will thank you for the lack of flicker...".
>>
>>
>>> Only after you're used to LCD you see that they have far more sharp
>>> picture than any CRT...
>>
>>
>> Each individual LC pixel may be sharp but that's not necessarily a
>> good thing for graphic work. The Gaussian nature of a CRT image is
>> very effective at smoothing out 'jaggies' and makes a CRT the best
>> bet for graphic work - unless you can afford one of the newer
>> >200ppi LCDs, as used in displays such as IBM's Big Bertha.
>>
>>
>>> Also CRT's do radiate, even if newer models (read expensive) have
>>> lower one, and this radiation causes eye pain.
>>
>>
>> Sorry, SleeperMan, but that's rubbish. No CRT currently on the market
>> (even the cheaper ones) have levels of non-visible radiation
>> sufficient to give you eye pain. Sitting too close to your CRT, or
>> an out of focus one, can cause eye strain* but that's a different
>> thing. * Being Gaussian (~blurred round the edges) in nature, a CRT image
>> can make the eyes 'hunt' for correct focus, constantly attempting to
>> get the sharpest image. This overuse strains the muscles used to
>> focus the eyes. The best way to avoid this is to use the largest,
>> highest-resolution monitor of the best quality you can afford and to
>> sit as far away from it as possible (at least 80-90cm).
>>
>> If you work exclusively with text, then an LCD is ideal; if you do
>> any serious graphic work then a good CRT-based display is still the
>> best bet for most users. By the time you need to replace the
>> good-quality CRT you buy this year, however, that might not be the
>> case. Jon.
 
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Jon O'Brien wrote:
> In article <VHcEd.8157$F6.1395403@news.siol.net>,
> SleeperMan@too.sleepy (SleeperMan) wrote:
>
>> It's not so much about flicker...
>
> My post was, because I was commenting to your statement: "...your eyes
> will thank you for the lack of flicker...".
>
>> Only after you're used to LCD you see that they have far more sharp
>> picture than any CRT...
>
> Each individual LC pixel may be sharp but that's not necessarily a
> good thing for graphic work. The Gaussian nature of a CRT image is
> very effective at smoothing out 'jaggies' and makes a CRT the best
> bet for graphic work - unless you can afford one of the newer >200ppi
> LCDs, as used in displays such as IBM's Big Bertha.
>
>> Also CRT's do radiate, even if newer models (read expensive) have
>> lower one, and this radiation causes eye pain.
>
> Sorry, SleeperMan, but that's rubbish. No CRT currently on the market
> (even the cheaper ones) have levels of non-visible radiation
> sufficient to give you eye pain. Sitting too close to your CRT, or an
> out of focus one, can cause eye strain* but that's a different thing.
>
> * Being Gaussian (~blurred round the edges) in nature, a CRT image can
> make the eyes 'hunt' for correct focus, constantly attempting to get
> the sharpest image. This overuse strains the muscles used to focus
> the eyes. The best way to avoid this is to use the largest,
> highest-resolution monitor of the best quality you can afford and to
> sit as far away from it as possible (at least 80-90cm).
>
> If you work exclusively with text, then an LCD is ideal; if you do any
> serious graphic work then a good CRT-based display is still the best
> bet for most users. By the time you need to replace the good-quality
> CRT you buy this year, however, that might not be the case.
>
> Jon.

Maybe eye pain does come because of lack of sharpness. But, all CRT's do
radiate, however i agree that newer (read expensive) have very little one.
But note that many people still buy expensive PC and cheapest CRT
available...and those CAN cause eye pain, since (i guess) they are still of
older technology.
End of all, my eyes did pain, whether of radiation of non-sharpness, no
matter...
 
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In article <TsREd.8242$F6.1412990@news.siol.net>, SleeperMan@too.sleepy
(SleeperMan) wrote:

> Maybe eye pain does come because of lack of sharpness. But, all CRT's
> do radiate...

Of course they do. Mostly light but also some heat!

> But note that many people still buy expensive PC and cheapest CRT
> available...

Tell me about it! People will specify a system down to the last component
in great detail and then settle for any cheap display, even though that's
the one part of a PC that they will use more than any other and the one
that can have the greatest effect on their health. Crazy!

> ...and those CAN cause eye pain, since (i guess) they are still of older
> technology.

Not old enough to produce the kind of radiation that would cause eye pain
within two minutes. Some of the early Braun tubes may have put out that
much radiation (I don't know) but no CRT that would work with any PC, even
early ones, puts out enough non-visible radiation to cause eye pain. If
they did: a) people would get suntanned sitting in front of them b) the
monitor manufacturers would be fighting massive group-action lawsuits all
over the world.

> End of all, my eyes did pain, whether of radiation of non-sharpness, no
> matter...

Big matter! It's really not a good idea to tell people that CRTs produce
enough radiation to cause eye pain. It just isn't true and some people
will worry unnecessarily that their CRT is damaging their eyesight. The
way they're using their CRT /might/ not be to their best advantage but CRT
radiation isn't a problem.

Jon.
 
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In article <PFQEd.81392$dv1.79207@edtnps89>, artistic@telus.net (Arthur
Entlich) wrote:

> To be fair to Sleeperman, I believe it was I who made the statement
> about the flicker, not he.

Ah, so it was! Sorry.

> I still put up with it because, at this point, I cannot justify another
> CRT monitor, especially one of more cost, when the technology is so
> radically changing. And I do need the color accuracy.

I think you'd probably have time to wear out another CRT before an
alternative technology (maybe FED, rather than LCD) becomes as cheap/good
as a CRT at what you want.

> Assuming your monitor isn't drifting badly or so out of focus to make
> your eyes tear trying to use it and you are stuck with color mission
> critical, you might want to cope with your current monitor for another
> year and see if the next generation of LCD monitors has better resolved
> color accuracy issues.

Or you could get it serviced! If it's just focus that's the problem, you
could do it yourself (if not of a nervous disposition).

> Each new version of LCD seems to be improved, with better angle of
> view, higher definition, higher speed and higher brightness and
> contrast ratios.

And higher prices!

Jon.
 
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Jon O'Brien wrote:
> In article <TsREd.8242$F6.1412990@news.siol.net>,
> SleeperMan@too.sleepy (SleeperMan) wrote:
>
>> Maybe eye pain does come because of lack of sharpness. But, all CRT's
>> do radiate...
>
> Of course they do. Mostly light but also some heat!
>
>> But note that many people still buy expensive PC and cheapest CRT
>> available...
>
> Tell me about it! People will specify a system down to the last
> component in great detail and then settle for any cheap display, even
> though that's the one part of a PC that they will use more than any
> other and the one that can have the greatest effect on their health.
> Crazy!
>
>> ...and those CAN cause eye pain, since (i guess) they are still of
>> older technology.
>
> Not old enough to produce the kind of radiation that would cause eye
> pain within two minutes. Some of the early Braun tubes may have put
> out that much radiation (I don't know) but no CRT that would work
> with any PC, even early ones, puts out enough non-visible radiation
> to cause eye pain. If they did: a) people would get suntanned sitting
> in front of them b) the monitor manufacturers would be fighting
> massive group-action lawsuits all over the world.
>
>> End of all, my eyes did pain, whether of radiation of non-sharpness,
>> no matter...
>
> Big matter! It's really not a good idea to tell people that CRTs
> produce enough radiation to cause eye pain. It just isn't true and
> some people will worry unnecessarily that their CRT is damaging their
> eyesight. The way they're using their CRT /might/ not be to their
> best advantage but CRT radiation isn't a problem.
>
> Jon.

You could be right about last...
So, i guess only thing it matters in CRT's is good focus...but, if you want
to get really good (read sharp) CRT, it costs more or less same as LCD or
even more. And only true experts and some (to note but a few) who really
knows what's good for their eyes buy those, all others...like i
said...crazy, but true, right
 
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I was just looking at a demo of CNT-FED and I'd say they have a way to
go yet to make it a consumer product.

What's ironic, is the article on CNT-FED is printed in some unbelievably
small font (I'm guessing 6 point, if that on my monitor set to 1280 x
1024, I can recall the pitch, but it was somewhere in the .24-.26
range), in fact, it is just about the smallest font I have ever seen
used on a web page. other than for captions. I could read it on my
current monitor and it was mainly a matter of finding a good focus
distance for my eyes and glasses, but I found it pretty humorous that
this article about a new display technology, written by the CEO of one
of the companies developing it would be presented in such a microscopic
font size (it's not their website however).

For anyone so inclined, (and a good test for your monitor's resolution)
the URL is:

http://www.vxm.com/CNT_FED_Display.html

Here's another good test for your monitor. This text seems easier to
read. It's a few points larger.

http://www.necmitsubishi.com/support/css/monitortechguide/index03.htm

What is it about these display websites and their small font sizes?


I believe OLED, however, looks very promising, and will probably arrive
first and at a better price.

In the case of my CRT monitor I believe the focus is accurate, with some
slight softening at the very center (it's an "almost flat" screen, with
some distortion geometrically even after adjustments. I have seen much
worse in CRTs.).

I do wonder how fonts as small as the one at the above URL appear on an
LCD monitor, whoever.

Art



Jon O'Brien wrote:

> In article <PFQEd.81392$dv1.79207@edtnps89>, artistic@telus.net (Arthur
> Entlich) wrote:
>
>
> I think you'd probably have time to wear out another CRT before an
> alternative technology (maybe FED, rather than LCD) becomes as cheap/good
> as a CRT at what you want.
>
>
>>Assuming your monitor isn't drifting badly or so out of focus to make
>>your eyes tear trying to use it and you are stuck with color mission
>>critical, you might want to cope with your current monitor for another
>>year and see if the next generation of LCD monitors has better resolved
>>color accuracy issues.
>
>
> Or you could get it serviced! If it's just focus that's the problem, you
> could do it yourself (if not of a nervous disposition).
>
>
>>Each new version of LCD seems to be improved, with better angle of
>>view, higher definition, higher speed and higher brightness and
>>contrast ratios.
>
>
> And higher prices!
>
> Jon.
 
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In article <JRcFd.84928$dv1.2605@edtnps89>, artistic@telus.net (Arthur
Entlich) wrote:

> I was just looking at a demo of CNT-FED and I'd say they have a way to
> go yet to make it a consumer product.

There are other FED technologies which are much closer to market than CNT.
However, I spent five years as a display industry journalist trying to
second-guess which new technology would win the race to market, during
which time I learned that you can't second-guess the future!

> What's ironic, is the article on CNT-FED is printed in some
> unbelievably small font (I'm guessing 6 point, if that on my monitor
> set to 1280 x 1024...

Imagine how it looks on my 22" display at 1600x1200! Fortunately, Opera
can magnify page elements and at 200% it is legible.

> I believe OLED, however, looks very promising, and will probably arrive
> first and at a better price.

The problem with OLED is that the polymers are quite short lived, so I
think it will be quite a while before we see an OLED with a useful
lifetime on the market.

Jon.