Lifeline Question

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The Arcbound series of creatures are destined to be abused by sending
them to graveyard...right now I'm working on a Lifeline deck. To get
around the annoying side effect of my opponent's creatures also
returning from the grave I'm using White "remove from game" spells and
Scythe of the Wretched.

If an opponent blocks a creature equipped with the Scythe I get it
before end of turn and thus deny my opponent. My question is: If
that creature dies later on in the game and Lifeline is still in play,
my opponent gets it back because Lifeline specifies "owner", correct?


 Lifeline
 Artifact
 5

Whenever a creature is put into a graveyard and another creature is in
play, return the first creature from that graveyard to play under its
owner’s control at end of turn.

 Scythe of the Wretched
 Artifact -- Equipment
 2

Equipped creature gets +2/+2. Whenever a creature dealt damage by
equipped creature this turn is put into a graveyard, return that card
to play under your control. Attach Scythe of the Wretched to that
creature. Equip 4

 

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Terry Detrie <detrie@mindspring.com> wrote:
>The Arcbound series of creatures are destined to be abused by sending
>them to graveyard...right now I'm working on a Lifeline deck. To get
>around the annoying side effect of my opponent's creatures also
>returning from the grave I'm using White "remove from game" spells and
>Scythe of the Wretched.
>
>If an opponent blocks a creature equipped with the Scythe I get it
>before end of turn and thus deny my opponent. My question is: If
>that creature dies later on in the game and Lifeline is still in play,
>my opponent gets it back because Lifeline specifies "owner", correct?

Right.

>Lifeline Artifact 5
> Whenever a creature is put into a graveyard and another creature is in play,
> return the first creature from that graveyard to play under its owner's
> control at end of turn.

If Lifeline said "under your control" it would of course be Hideously Broken;
if it said "under its controller's control" it would be a bit more confusing
than it is but would work with your trick and other control-stealing effects.
But it does specify "under its owner's control", so yes, creatures stolen with
the Scythe that die with Lifeline in play will reappear where they originally
started off.

Dave
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 22:13:36 GMT, Terry Detrie <detrie@mindspring.com>
wrote:

>
>The Arcbound series of creatures are destined to be abused by sending
>them to graveyard...right now I'm working on a Lifeline deck. To get
>around the annoying side effect of my opponent's creatures also
>returning from the grave I'm using White "remove from game" spells and
>Scythe of the Wretched.
>
>If an opponent blocks a creature equipped with the Scythe I get it
>before end of turn and thus deny my opponent.

If you Scythe equipped creature is blocked by and deals damage to one
of you opponents creatures, _and_ his creature is put into a graveyard
the same turn (for whatever reason), _then_ the Scythe triggers and
tries to return his creature under your control. The Scythe does not
have a basilisk (kill anything that touches) effect - just wanted to
point that out.

Also I would like to point out, that in the above case, both Lifeline
and the Scythe triggers. But since both effects are yours, you control
the order when they go onto the stack, and of course you then put
Lifelines effect first and the Scythe second - the Scythe will then
resolve first and return the creature to you, and Lifelines ability
will Do Nothing (tm) because it cannot find its creature in the
graveyard.

OTOH, if Lifeline resolves first, it will then return the creature to
its owner and the Scythes ability will do as much as it can, thus
"return creature, attach Scythe" becomes "do nothing, attach Scythe"
(ignore the part that can't be done and do the rest).
Right?

>My question is: If
>that creature dies later on in the game and Lifeline is still in play,
>my opponent gets it back because Lifeline specifies "owner", correct?

Yep.

Hmm, 99% rambling, 1% actual question answering...

> Lifeline
> Artifact
> 5
>
>Whenever a creature is put into a graveyard and another creature is in
>play, return the first creature from that graveyard to play under its
>owner’s control at end of turn.
>
> Scythe of the Wretched
> Artifact -- Equipment
> 2
>
>Equipped creature gets +2/+2. Whenever a creature dealt damage by
>equipped creature this turn is put into a graveyard, return that card
>to play under your control. Attach Scythe of the Wretched to that
>creature. Equip 4

--
Regards
Simon Nejmann

 

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Simon Nejmann <snejmann@worldonline.REMOVETHIS.dk> wrote:
>Terry Detrie <detrie@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>If an opponent blocks a creature equipped with the Scythe I get it
>>before end of turn and thus deny my opponent.
>
>Also I would like to point out, that in the above case, both Lifeline
>and the Scythe triggers. But since both effects are yours, you control
>the order when they go onto the stack, and of course you then put
>Lifelines effect first and the Scythe second - the Scythe will then
>resolve first and return the creature to you, and Lifelines ability
>will Do Nothing (tm) because it cannot find its creature in the graveyard.

Careful: look at Lifeline again please. It doesn't do anything to the creature
card on resolution at all; what it does is set up a -delayed triggered ability-
which will at end of turn pull that card back from the graveyard. So in general
the order of the Scythe ability and the Lifeline ability on the stack doesn't
matter - the Scythe ability will pull the creature back before the Lifeline
_delayed_ triggered ability ever gets to trigger and go on the stack at all,
and that delayed triggered ability won't ever find the card it's looking for,
for that particular death-of-creature.

>OTOH, if Lifeline resolves first, it will then return the creature to
>its owner

Nope. It will just set up the delayed triggered ability that goes on the
stack at end of turn, leaving the creature card where it is for now, and
letting the Scythe pick it up later in -this- step or phase.

>>Lifeline 5 Artifact
>> Whenever a creature is put into a graveyard and another creature is in play,
>> return the first creature from that graveyard to play under its owner's
>> control at end of turn.

That last "at end of turn" there means Lifeline's effect -itself- does nothing
to the creature card at all; the effect just sets up a delayed triggered
ability that later triggers, goes on the stack, and resolves and tries to
pull the creature card back into play. If the Scythe has already done so, then
this delayed triggered ability does Nothing on resolution...

Dave
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
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