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It seems MS, despite the anti monopoly slap on the wrist, has successfully
pressured Dell not to market Linux for the Desktop. An interesting article
from Linspire's CEO Michael Roberston, in part states:

" Dell recently invited two top executives from Linspire to give some
presentations about desktop Linux. They wanted to know where it's at and
where it's going. We confirmed meeting dates, attendees and flew our two
executives to Austin. Higher up Dell executives found out about these
meetings the day before and abruptly canceled them. In a second example, we
announced that one of our partners, Questar was going to be selling Dell
computers in Europe pre-installed with Linspire. European Dell personnel had
been discussing both marketing and technical integration issues. Engineers
in Ireland, working for Dell, had asked for our help in imaging hard disks
for new machines. When US Dell executives heard about the European plan they
immediately canceled the program. "

You can see the full article (explaining how MS workaround its pledge on
equal pricing for desktop software) on Linspire's web site.
 
Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:19:49 -0700, Lenny Bruce wrote:

> It seems MS, despite the anti monopoly slap on the wrist, has successfully
> pressured Dell not to market Linux for the Desktop. An interesting article
> from Linspire's CEO Michael Roberston, in part states:

[snip to save space]

You can always install it yourself. I like the dual-boot option since I
use Windows for everything and Linux to tinker around with and learn more
about. However, I tried installing Fedora Core 2 tonight and the only way
to get it to see my SATA hard drive was to manually switch the BIOS
depending on if I wanted to boot to Windows or Linux.

Good thing my previous desktop (home-built machine) runs Linux perfectly.
I'm going to get a monitor/keyboard/mouse switching device and just run
both machines at the same time. Good practice to network them together,
too.

Dave
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"Lenny Bruce" <spamme@devnul.com> wrote:

>It seems MS, despite the anti monopoly slap on the wrist, has successfully
>pressured Dell not to market Linux for the Desktop. An interesting article
>from Linspire's CEO Michael Roberston, in part states:
>
>" Dell recently invited two top executives from Linspire to give some
>presentations about desktop Linux. They wanted to know where it's at and
>where it's going. We confirmed meeting dates, attendees and flew our two
>executives to Austin. Higher up Dell executives found out about these
>meetings the day before and abruptly canceled them. In a second example, we
>announced that one of our partners, Questar was going to be selling Dell
>computers in Europe pre-installed with Linspire. European Dell personnel had
>been discussing both marketing and technical integration issues. Engineers
>in Ireland, working for Dell, had asked for our help in imaging hard disks
>for new machines. When US Dell executives heard about the European plan they
>immediately canceled the program. "
>
>You can see the full article (explaining how MS workaround its pledge on
>equal pricing for desktop software) on Linspire's web site.

You will pardon me if I have a little doubt on a post by a person
choosing the nym "Lenny Bruce", using an email address of
spamme@devul.com, and quoting information from a party to
whatever dispute he is bringing to our attention. I have doubts
if the credibility of what I will find in that "full article" on
the website of that selfsame party involved will be any better
than that of the CEO of the company running the site.

Understandably, Linspire and its CEO Michael Robertson feel they
have an ox being gored. The question is, what ox is "Lenny
Bruce" fearing for? Could he be a Linspire employee, maybe a PR
type?
--
OJ III
[Email to Yahoo address may be burned before reading.
Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast.]
 
Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

"Ogden Johnson III" wrote:
> "Lenny Bruce" <spamme@devnul.com> wrote:
>
> >It seems MS, despite the anti monopoly slap on the wrist,
> >has successfully pressured Dell not to market Linux for the
> >Desktop. An interesting article from Linspire's CEO
> >Michael Roberston, in part states:
> >[............]
> >You can see the full article (explaining how MS workaround
> >its pledge on equal pricing for desktop software) on Linspire's
> >web site.
>
> [.........]
> Understandably, Linspire and its CEO Michael Robertson feel they
> have an ox being gored. The question is, what ox is "Lenny
> Bruce" fearing for? Could he be a Linspire employee, maybe a PR
> type?


Why shoot the messenger? The question should be
"Is Linspire correct?".

*TimDaniels*
 
Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

on Thursday 02 September 2004 08:19 pm, Lenny Bruce wrote:

> It seems MS, despite the anti monopoly slap on the wrist, has
> successfully pressured Dell not to market Linux for the Desktop. An
> interesting article from Linspire's CEO Michael Roberston, in part
> states:
>
> " Dell recently invited two top executives from Linspire to give some
> presentations about desktop Linux. They wanted to know where it's at
> and where it's going. We confirmed meeting dates, attendees and flew
> our two executives to Austin. Higher up Dell executives found out
> about these meetings the day before and abruptly canceled them. In a
> second example, we announced that one of our partners, Questar was
> going to be selling Dell computers in Europe pre-installed with
> Linspire. European Dell personnel had been discussing both marketing
> and technical integration issues. Engineers in Ireland, working for
> Dell, had asked for our help in imaging hard disks for new machines.
> When US Dell executives heard about the European plan they immediately
> canceled the program. "
>
> You can see the full article (explaining how MS workaround its pledge
> on equal pricing for desktop software) on Linspire's web site.

Yeah, but look at the really TERRIFIC DEAL they give you if you buy an
n-series desktop with NO Windo$e included. Comparing comparable
systems (3Ghz, 1Gb, CDRW & DVD, onboard video, sound, ethernet), you
can SAVE $19 ! WOW can't you see all us linux nuts lining up for that
one. 🙂
--
askrieger(at)rcn(dot)com
 
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$19 per system is probably what Dell pays Micro$oft for Windows XP Home
licenses... Ben Myers

On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 14:09:33 -0400, Al Krieger <al@home.myhouse.dom> wrote:

>on Thursday 02 September 2004 08:19 pm, Lenny Bruce wrote:
>
>> It seems MS, despite the anti monopoly slap on the wrist, has
>> successfully pressured Dell not to market Linux for the Desktop. An
>> interesting article from Linspire's CEO Michael Roberston, in part
>> states:
>>
>> " Dell recently invited two top executives from Linspire to give some
>> presentations about desktop Linux. They wanted to know where it's at
>> and where it's going. We confirmed meeting dates, attendees and flew
>> our two executives to Austin. Higher up Dell executives found out
>> about these meetings the day before and abruptly canceled them. In a
>> second example, we announced that one of our partners, Questar was
>> going to be selling Dell computers in Europe pre-installed with
>> Linspire. European Dell personnel had been discussing both marketing
>> and technical integration issues. Engineers in Ireland, working for
>> Dell, had asked for our help in imaging hard disks for new machines.
>> When US Dell executives heard about the European plan they immediately
>> canceled the program. "
>>
>> You can see the full article (explaining how MS workaround its pledge
>> on equal pricing for desktop software) on Linspire's web site.
>
>Yeah, but look at the really TERRIFIC DEAL they give you if you buy an
>n-series desktop with NO Windo$e included. Comparing comparable
>systems (3Ghz, 1Gb, CDRW & DVD, onboard video, sound, ethernet), you
>can SAVE $19 ! WOW can't you see all us linux nuts lining up for that
>one. 🙂
>--
>askrieger(at)rcn(dot)com
 
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I am not an employee, officer, director nor shareholder of Linspire. I am a
Linux user (not Linspire). The quote is public information sent to anyone
interested in Linspire. The ox being gored is that of computer users
interested the availability of alterative operating systems, Linux in
particular. I think MS's conduct in this instance is unconscionable.

"Ogden Johnson III" <oj3usmc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:lgbhj0pq7vdpqp0ngf2e71luonkngln2t9@4ax.com...
> "Lenny Bruce" <spamme@devnul.com> wrote:
>
>>It seems MS, despite the anti monopoly slap on the wrist, has successfully
>>pressured Dell not to market Linux for the Desktop. An interesting article
>>from Linspire's CEO Michael Roberston, in part states:
>>
>>" Dell recently invited two top executives from Linspire to give some
>>presentations about desktop Linux. They wanted to know where it's at and
>>where it's going. We confirmed meeting dates, attendees and flew our two
>>executives to Austin. Higher up Dell executives found out about these
>>meetings the day before and abruptly canceled them. In a second example,
>>we
>>announced that one of our partners, Questar was going to be selling Dell
>>computers in Europe pre-installed with Linspire. European Dell personnel
>>had
>>been discussing both marketing and technical integration issues. Engineers
>>in Ireland, working for Dell, had asked for our help in imaging hard disks
>>for new machines. When US Dell executives heard about the European plan
>>they
>>immediately canceled the program. "
>>
>>You can see the full article (explaining how MS workaround its pledge on
>>equal pricing for desktop software) on Linspire's web site.
>
> You will pardon me if I have a little doubt on a post by a person
> choosing the nym "Lenny Bruce", using an email address of
> spamme@devul.com, and quoting information from a party to
> whatever dispute he is bringing to our attention. I have doubts
> if the credibility of what I will find in that "full article" on
> the website of that selfsame party involved will be any better
> than that of the CEO of the company running the site.
>
> Understandably, Linspire and its CEO Michael Robertson feel they
> have an ox being gored. The question is, what ox is "Lenny
> Bruce" fearing for? Could he be a Linspire employee, maybe a PR
> type?
> --
> OJ III
> [Email to Yahoo address may be burned before reading.
> Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast.]
 
Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

"Al Krieger" <al@home.myhouse.dom> wrote in message
news:4138b36c$0$19716$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
> on Thursday 02 September 2004 08:19 pm, Lenny Bruce wrote:
> Yeah, but look at the really TERRIFIC DEAL they give you if you buy an
> n-series desktop with NO Windo$e included. Comparing comparable
> systems (3Ghz, 1Gb, CDRW & DVD, onboard video, sound, ethernet), you
> can SAVE $19 ! WOW can't you see all us linux nuts lining up for that
> one. 🙂

True, not much incentive to buy this low end computer. Maybe that's why MS
isn't upset with this. However, there could be more incentive if Dell would
put Linux on its 4600 or 8400 Dimensions and price in the savings from not
using MS software. Of course Dell won't do that for fear of punishment from
MS. I'd like to see more competition in the marketplace. It's going to
happen
 
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"Timothy Daniels" <TDaniels@NoSpamDot.com> wrote in message
news:3pKdnfbGWJNDIaXcRVn-vQ@comcast.com...
>> Why shoot the messenger? The question should be
> "Is Linspire correct?".

I'm not clear as to who is the messenger. Linspire may be correct for some
people and not for others, particular those with strong belief that software
should be free (like free beer) or those with above average technical
computer knowledge and desire to customize and explore the inner workings of
their OS. Where Linspire may be correct is for non technical people who just
want their computer to do stuff as simply as possible.
 
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<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:4138d697.29946565@news.charter.net...
> $19 per system is probably what Dell pays Micro$oft for Windows XP Home
> licenses... Ben Myers

That's a great price and one impossible to beat.
 
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"Lenny Bruce" <spamme@devnul.com> wrote in message
news:_5adndng7p-_hafcRVn-sA@adelphia.com...
>
> "Al Krieger" <al@home.myhouse.dom> wrote in message
> news:4138b36c$0$19716$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
>> on Thursday 02 September 2004 08:19 pm, Lenny Bruce wrote:
>> Yeah, but look at the really TERRIFIC DEAL they give you if you buy an
>> n-series desktop with NO Windo$e included. Comparing comparable
>> systems (3Ghz, 1Gb, CDRW & DVD, onboard video, sound, ethernet), you
>> can SAVE $19 ! WOW can't you see all us linux nuts lining up for that
>> one. 🙂
>
> True, not much incentive to buy this low end computer. Maybe that's why MS
> isn't upset with this. However, there could be more incentive if Dell
> would put Linux on its 4600 or 8400 Dimensions and price in the savings
> from not using MS software. Of course Dell won't do that for fear of
> punishment from MS. I'd like to see more competition in the marketplace.
> It's going to happen
>

Dell would do it in a heartbeat if they thought it would make them money.
They clearly feel that the profit is outweighed by the costs. They would
have to certify the machine as capabile of running Linux. They would have to
build and train a support staff.

What, for the 3 people in the world that want Linux on a Dimension 8400?

Tom
 
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"Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:T8ydnXBEx401h6fcRVn-ig@comcast.com...
>
> Dell would do it in a heartbeat if they thought it would make them money.
> They clearly feel that the profit is outweighed by the costs. They would
> have to certify the machine as capabile of running Linux. They would have
to
> build and train a support staff.
>
> What, for the 3 people in the world that want Linux on a Dimension 8400?
>
> Tom
>

Oh, come on, be realistic. There must be about 100 in the world that would
want to run Linux on an 8400.
 
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"Lenny Bruce" wrote:
>
> "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
> >> Why shoot the messenger? The question should be
> > "Is Linspire correct?".
>
> I'm not clear as to who is the messenger.

You are the messenger about Linspire's claim.
Oggy's first impulse is to shoot the messenger bearing
unpleasant news about MS rather than to consider if
the news is accurate.


> Linspire may be correct for some people and not for others,

By "correct" I meant their claim that MS was pressuring
companies to not offer Linux on their desktop machines.

*TimDaniels*
 
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