Liquid Cooling for my cpu

[DallasClarke87]

Im looking to upgrade my liquid cooling because my current one that isnt that good sucks. I currently have a 9370 cpu which is also shit and im planning to upgrade later. will a h100i v2 work for this cpu? im looking to upgrade to a i7 cpu later down the road and would like this cooler for that cpu as well. would this cooler work for both? Also is there a better cooler than this one or will this be the best?

 

[Eximo]

Yes, an h100i will work for both of those.

Well there are certainly bigger all-in-one CPU coolers, as well as ones that are made out of brass and copper instead of aluminum. Depends on how big your case is and how much you want to spend.

You could also go full custom with discrete components. CPU block, pump/reservoir, radiator, fittings, and tubing.

 

[Philballer17]

Why not just run on air with something like a Dark Rock PRO 4?

 

[Eximo]

Why not just run on air with something like a Dark Rock PRO 4?

A tad risky with the FX9370. It would probably be okay, but most people recommend an AIO for the FX 9000 series. 220W TDP is more than I have ever gotten up to with an overclocked CPU. Only some the recent high core count Intel chips or an overclocked Threadripper can manage that output.

 

[USAFRet]

... but most people recommend an AIO for the FX 9000 series.

A lot of people recommend a new CPU for the FX-9xxx series. Instead of throwing more money at it.

 

[Karadjgne]

The problem with air coolers is maximum ability. Below that level, they perform similar, if not better, than AIO's. But once you get to that max, it's all uphill and very quick. Even the biggest coolers such as the DR4 pro or NH-D15 cap out at around 200w-250w. This makes them excellent choices for most users who only see at best @150w-200w on the cpu. However, liquid coolers have a much higher ability maximum, most 280/360mm aios don't top out until @300-350w, which is a huge amount of leeway at high wattage.

The original cooler for the 9370/9590 was a h80i equivalent aio and could be considered no better than any other stock cooler. It was later moved to an option when amd finally figured out they were useless and ppl junked them in favor of much larger capacity coolers, thereby dropping the msrp @$100, which had a side affect of boosting sales since now it made sense to spend extra for a bigger cooler.

The other issue is TDP. It's actually a very misleading number. What it really is is the power used by the cpu during a specified selection of apps during a set time period. All of which is pretty mediocre to the cpu as that's the standard average usage. Because power used and heat as a result are quite close in number, TDP was adopted as temps. So a 92w cpu actually uses 92w during testing, but can easily put out either 88 heat watts or 96 heat watts, or anything in between, depending on the cpu. But. Being mediocre, that's not the maximum ability of the cpu. Peak power is. Generally Peak will run @1.5x - 2x TDP. In the case of i7's with HT, the high core FX etc expect Peak to be right around 2x TDP.

What that means is if pushed to maximum power output (that's max OC with high vcore) a FX9370 can easily attain @440w or so.

Simply meaning even a giant brick like a NH-D15 in performance mode is most definitely going to not only struggle, but more than likely exceeded by a FX9370 that's pushed to its limits.

 

[Philballer17]

... but most people recommend an AIO for the FX 9000 series.

A lot of people recommend a new CPU for the FX-9xxx series. Instead of throwing more money at it.

hmm, This is true as I believe, the AMD FX series is considered quite obsolete at this time in the universe.

You can jump into something like a Ryzen 3 2200 or Ryzen 5 2600, and run it with its stock air cooler.

Liquid cooling is just more of a luxury than a true performance gain, and it really isn't worth it; of-course unless it's just for bragging rights, but that is actually starting to get more embarrassing than anything now, as liquid cooled users have to perform maintenance on their pumps, water, etc.. quite frequently leaving them spitting chips; while air cooled users can just sit back and enjoy the 10 year ride with no maintenance needed.

 

[DallasClarke87]

Yes, an h100i will work for both of those.

Well there are certainly bigger all-in-one CPU coolers, as well as ones that are made out of brass and copper instead of aluminum. Depends on how big your case is and how much you want to spend.

You could also go full custom with discrete components. CPU block, pump/reservoir, radiator, fittings, and tubing.

the case i am getting is the Phanteks Eclipse P400 and i dont really wanna do the custom loop i just want the aio and probably only want a 240mm rad for the front of the case cause i heard they dont fit on the top, but anyways i was just wondering if the h100i v2 would be good enough cause im gonna get the 8700k down the road

 

[DallasClarke87]

... but most people recommend an AIO for the FX 9000 series.

A lot of people recommend a new CPU for the FX-9xxx series. Instead of throwing more money at it.

yea i know the 9xxx series is bad but as of right now all i want is a new case and a cooler cause im gonna eventually get a new mobo,cpu,etc

 

[USAFRet]

yea i know the 9xxx series is bad but as of right now all i want is a new case and a cooler cause im gonna eventually get a new mobo,cpu,etc

Then why throw more money at your current thing?

 

[Philballer17]

yea i know the 9xxx series is bad but as of right now all i want is a new case and a cooler cause im gonna eventually get a new mobo,cpu,etc

Then why throw more money at your current thing?

Well technically, If he upgrades his CPU, he can still use the Liquid cooler with his new CPU also. So, he's still buying components that are re-usable.

But, it just makes no sense to buy it at this time because it is obsolete anyways.

 

[DallasClarke87]

yea i know the 9xxx series is bad but as of right now all i want is a new case and a cooler cause im gonna eventually get a new mobo,cpu,etc

Then why throw more money at your current thing?

Well technically, If he upgrades his CPU, he can still use the Liquid cooler with his new CPU also. So, he's still buying components that are re-usable.

But, it just makes no sense to buy it at this time because it is obsolete anyways.

Well i also said my current liquid cooler isnt really good which is the antec kuhler 1250, its also really loud and just doesnt work well. so yeah its kinda pointless but i also wanna switch my case since when i bought my pc used it came in the antec 1900 which is a terribly large and useless case for me so i wanna upgrade both my cooler and case

 

[Karadjgne]

First figure out your dream case. Find the one or two you really want. This'll give you dimensions on exactly what cooler you can fit in it. Many will have issues with either top or front mount, or can fit a 360mm in front or just a 280mm uptop etc. This in turn will dictate the largest cooler you can get for your current fx without loosing money on a second purchase. It'll also have to be available to fit your current case unless you just temporarily jury rig it.

You could always get your case and cooler now, swap everything over, and when budget allows just swap out the mobo+ram. You have options.

 

[DallasClarke87]

First figure out your dream case. Find the one or two you really want. This'll give you dimensions on exactly what cooler you can fit in it. Many will have issues with either top or front mount, or can fit a 360mm in front or just a 280mm uptop etc. This in turn will dictate the largest cooler you can get for your current fx without loosing money on a second purchase. It'll also have to be available to fit your current case unless you just temporarily jury rig it.

You could always get your case and cooler now, swap everything over, and when budget allows just swap out the mobo+ram. You have options.

i really like the look and functions the phantek p400 gives and i think it supports up to a 360mm but the h100i v2 which is a 240mm? Is there any other cases that are really good like the s340? id like something with a bit more than the s340 which the p400 looks a bit better and cheaper. but yeah i want to upgrade the case and cooler right now because the ones i currently have are really bad.
Edit: Didn't know i had to watch my language online

 

[Karadjgne]

Yes, most ppl miss the fact that this is a family oriented forum and rules of decorum do apply, unlike places like reddit, which are totally unregulated. It's honestly no big deal, it happens, just please don't let it happen again 😀

Wow, where to start. Platform. MITX, mATX, atx are most common, especially if you don't like 'big' but even some ATX mid towers get pretty huge, my Define R5 and CM 690 II Advanced are almost as big as a full tower.
Looks. 2nd most important decision, you have to look at it, deal with it, live with it. So where do your tastes run. Me, I'm a classic, much prefer my pc to look like a pc, not some cheapo Manga explosion called a gaming case, like what Xpevia and others produce. So my R5 was perfect.
Details. Apart from general looks, what else is important. Front facing usb, top mount usb, optical, temper glass, leds capability, fan controls doors, psu shrouds, etc. All the little things. My R5 sits on the floor, so top mount usb/audio is a serious bonus as I no longer have plugs and wires sticking straight out. If the pc is desktop, front or side USB would be far easier than top, especially on a tall case. It's always the little things that aggravate the tiss out of you right after the new case smell wears out.
Quality. It's so important that it is least important at the same time. Many better cases are all approximately the same, good. For most ppl, after the initial build, they'll not touch hardware other than for cleaning, so build doesn't take any precedence. So you can ostensibly get away with a cheaper case, as long as it does the job. That's where the more expensive cases excell, in the options. Like better wiring capacity, easier mounts, grommets on pass through, thicker glsss/acrylic, stronger frame and panels etc. A perfect looking case, that bends if you breathe on it, really is next to useless.
First, make a list of what's important to you, must haves, be nice to haves and bonuses you wouldn't mind.
Visit pcpartpicker.com. Open up cases, and near the top right is List / Detailed List. Click on list. This'll bring up pictures of the cases. Find some that look right, maybe 10-12. Then start Google ing reviews, the more professional, the better. Compare results to your list. Put into 3 piles. Keeper, maybe, toss. Narrow down your keeper/maybe lists to 2-3 each. You'll end up with 2 cases, 1 keeper, 1 maybe. Then apply budget and weigh in.

End result = case you should buy.

 

[DallasClarke87]

Yes, most ppl miss the fact that this is a family oriented forum and rules of decorum do apply, unlike places like reddit, which are totally unregulated. It's honestly no big deal, it happens, just please don't let it happen again 😀

Wow, where to start. Platform. MITX, mATX, atx are most common, especially if you don't like 'big' but even some ATX mid towers get pretty huge, my Define R5 and CM 690 II Advanced are almost as big as a full tower.
Looks. 2nd most important decision, you have to look at it, deal with it, live with it. So where do your tastes run. Me, I'm a classic, much prefer my pc to look like a pc, not some cheapo Manga explosion called a gaming case, like what Xpevia and others produce. So my R5 was perfect.
Details. Apart from general looks, what else is important. Front facing usb, top mount usb, optical, temper glass, leds capability, fan controls doors, psu shrouds, etc. All the little things. My R5 sits on the floor, so top mount usb/audio is a serious bonus as I no longer have plugs and wires sticking straight out. If the pc is desktop, front or side USB would be far easier than top, especially on a tall case. It's always the little things that aggravate the tiss out of you right after the new case smell wears out.
Quality. It's so important that it is least important at the same time. Many better cases are all approximately the same, good. For most ppl, after the initial build, they'll not touch hardware other than for cleaning, so build doesn't take any precedence. So you can ostensibly get away with a cheaper case, as long as it does the job. That's where the more expensive cases excell, in the options. Like better wiring capacity, easier mounts, grommets on pass through, thicker glsss/acrylic, stronger frame and panels etc. A perfect looking case, that bends if you breathe on it, really is next to useless.
First, make a list of what's important to you, must haves, be nice to haves and bonuses you wouldn't mind.
Visit pcpartpicker.com. Open up cases, and near the top right is List / Detailed List. Click on list. This'll bring up pictures of the cases. Find some that look right, maybe 10-12. Then start Google ing reviews, the more professional, the better. Compare results to your list. Put into 3 piles. Keeper, maybe, toss. Narrow down your keeper/maybe lists to 2-3 each. You'll end up with 2 cases, 1 keeper, 1 maybe. Then apply budget and weigh in.

End result = case you should buy.

ok ill try that thanks and yeah ill try to not use language like that i guess i tend to apply bad parts to the sh*t word lol