Liquid Cooling Help/Suggestions

wahjahka

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hello. i have been looking into liquid cooling for awhile cause my oc q6600 needs it.

my case is a midtower if that impacts anything.

im loooking for liquid cooling kits between the 100-200 price range.

any suggestions would be great, thanks
 

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If you plan on WCing... ditch the lowend kits. A moderate WC set will cost you more than $200. Go for top end Air Cooling would be better than Lowend WC.
What are your temps??
 

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The one I listed will be better temps than any air, including a TRUE. Of course an good WC kit with room to expand someday is going to be $300++, $400 if a GPU is added.

Learn...............

I'll steer you to some more technical links, please spend a few days (DAYS) reading posts, searching, learning. Don't forget to look for your case with WC. Google your case and the word watercool or some combination of that. WC stuff is larger than you think, I know from experience. WC setups done right are awesome and almost silent.

Great place, not wayyy over the top with uber WC guys.
http://www.ocforums.com/index.php
Uber place, owned by one of the worlds winning OC guys in the world. Not a place to post or ask questions by noobs, but an awesome place to learn.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/
Another good place to learn
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooling/
Great places to buy WC stuff
http://www.dangerden.com/index.php [...] e&Itemid=1
http://www.petrastechshop.com/
http://www.jab-tech.com/

Hope it helps, see ya in a few days, get edumacated!


 

wahjahka

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some very good reads. but heres the thing, i have only 150 dollars to spend...and it seems like buying all the parts individually would cost more than that.
so any suggestion for buying individual parts that will preform better than a Thermaltake ProWater 850i Liquid Cooling System. (i know its a kit and they say that kits suck but this will be first liquid cooling system)
 

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Nope, stay air. Can't do it under what I suggested. Your choice, your disappointment if you go Thermaltake.

It's not that kits suck, you can buy good pre-selected kits, but they cost more than you wanna spend.

TT is known for sub-par cooling, leaks, pumps dying. TT sucks, Koolance kits aren't much better.

Air till you save your pennies.
 

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Conumdrum has great points on the TT kits...in short...they suck. You will be seriously disappointed with the results. If you only have a budget of $150, get a good air cooler and spend the remaining $100 on RAM or another hard drive. $200 is about the minimum price range for a decent intro kit or pieced together components. With watercooling...we really only recommend an all-or-nothing approach...anything less is going to underperform for your expectations.
 

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How far are you planning to OC a Q6600 to that you think you need water?

I've gotten it to 3 GHZ on air and the thing never goes above 40c unless I'm running prime95.
 

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Once you get to 3.4-3.6 it starts to get rather warm due to the increase in voltage to push it that far. 3.0 can be achieved at the stock voltage in most cases by flipping the FSB from 266 to 333.
 

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at least 3. since im leaning towards air cooling, have any suggestions on a good air cooler?

---also right now my cou temp is 37 and i havent played a single game for the past 2 hrs (just surfing the net tehe) also usually under load it gets up to 42, its gotten up to 45 before but that was awhile ago and hasnt happened again
 

wahjahka

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any good recomendations for air cooling?
 

Conumdrum

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Yea, ever heard of Google?

Type in things like CPU cooler review
Umm CPU heatsink

Or even read the last 30 posts on this board? OMG you'll have your answer already if you just do it yourself.
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/rant off
 

wahjahka

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you dont have to sound like an ******* about it, i need research, whats wrong with asking for more opinions? nothing.
 

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wahjahka-

You will have to forgive conumdrum; sometimes he comes off as a little brash, but does have valid points he wishes to give. Many of us have had our own battles with him on his presentation, but what I think he is meaning is this:

1) a person is far more likely to learn if they do the research themselves. On this same note, not all review sites are for everyone (or their point of view), so Googling can help you find the ones you like and don't like.

2) he has valid points on the WC stuff, as do a good handful on Tom's, but we aren't as plentiful as those on XS or OC. Those guys are pretty much die-hards (for the most part) but know their stuff. I personally feel that they have far better stickies than we do over here; but that's expected given the nature of those sites...designated for DIY/OC/junkies. Tom's is more a generalized forum that covers about anything...WC is a very small topic covered here, and usually the same small handfull helps on all those questions. What we do not know, we point elsewhere.

Let's just say that understanding what you don't know is often far better than knowing what you DO know. For instance, I don't know the correct way to volt mod a GPU or motherboard without it going up in blue smoke. But, I do know that I will need to look somewhere else to find very specific details and understanding to do so. Research, research, research...everything.
 

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thank you and yea i forgive him haha im doing research and im gonna stick with air for now
 

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Rubix_111, how can you say I meant that? Well, I did mean what you said, thanks. :) Sometimes it's the only way for someone to start a new path.

I told my son a few times when he was young (he's in college now), "Darnit kid, can't you learn anything on your own? It's the only way you'll ever be able to survive in the real world. So nope, I'm not going to tell you the answer".

He's doing great BTW.





 

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I've had to tell my son that as well (he's almost 7). Its amazing how kids learn when they figure out they can do it themselves instead of just asking you for the answer. :) Just by providing a hint in the right direction should usually be enough for them to figure the rest out.

Besides, if you always got all the answers you just asked for, who is to say you would get the answers that were the best for you...and not someone else?
 

wahjahka

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well all i have to say is thank you to you (rubix) and conumdrum for saving me $150 hehe on a kit that my friend just bought after i told him what you guys told me and he didnt listen and bought that kit and guess what happened......it LEAKED haha
 

Conumdrum

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Bummer, haha for you, bad for him. You or him need good WC info, here is my standard WC noob cut n paste.

It's a hobby.... No hurry

Decent WC starts at $250 and up. Cut corners early and you'll spend more in the long run.

I'll steer you to some more technical links, please spend a few days (DAYS) reading posts, searching, learning. Don't forget to look for your case with WC. Google your case and the word watercool or some combination of that. WC stuff is larger than you think, I know from experience. WC setups done right are awesome and almost silent.

Great place, not wayyy over the top with uber WC guys.
http://www.ocforums.com/index.php
Uber place, owned by one of the worlds winning OC guys in the world. Not a place to post or ask questions by noobs, but an awesome place to learn.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/
Another good place to learn
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooling/
Great places to buy WC stuff
http://www.dangerden.com/index.php [...] e&Itemid=1
http://www.petrastechshop.com/
http://www.jab-tech.com/


Best of luck. Ohh leaks even happen on $600 WC loops. But being smart and informed means it won't be you!
 

rubix_1011

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Hey, good deal. We don't just tell people to stay away from those for no reason, but like conumdrum mentioned, even the most expensive components can leak, so you need to be careful, proactive and knowledgeable first. If you take the time to setup a loop, you know its going to take time to pressure test and leak test it (bare minimum is 4 hours) before you even switch on the rest of your components. Get good fittings and clamps ( I am partial to those worm-gear clamps -like radiator hose clamps-). Plastic and nylon fittings are alright, but always be aware they can crack and become brittle. One of the hardest things to find are good 90 degree fittings, and it always seems you will need a couple, depending on your loop. I found some decent ones at Petra's, but I need to find some 90's that are more of an arc than just a 90 degreen turn. You would think they would be much more flow happy than restrictive that way.

Edit: I actually submitted the question to DangerDen to see what kind of response I get.
 

wahjahka

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thanks for all the info, i will be reading about water cooling for a few months and come march thats when i will be deciding wether or not to buy one
 

wahjahka

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:)