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I can't find vlad's stairs. I've looked under boulders, from Jubi's
swamp down, and looked again. Now I need to look some more. Where can
they *not* be? Maybe that would help to know. Can they be on any of
the levels with the wiz's tower? Can they be in orcustown or asmo's
lair?

I found the VS easily, but I can't find the stupid Vlad stairs!
 
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james wrote:

> I can't find vlad's stairs. I've looked under boulders, from Jubi's
> swamp down, and looked again. Now I need to look some more. Where
> can they *not* be? Maybe that would help to know. Can they be on
> any of the levels with the wiz's tower? Can they be in orcustown or
> asmo's lair?

I guess you haven't had a look at

http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/nh/gazetteer/vlad.html

yet? Dylan's Gazetteer should be the first place to search.

> I found the VS easily, but I can't find the stupid Vlad stairs!

Sure that's easier to find. When a level is undiggable, you know where
to look...

--
Boudewijn Waijers (kroisos at home.nl).

The garden of happiness is surrounded by a wall so low only children
can look over it. - "the Orphanage of Hits", former Dutch radio show.
 
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In article <cvvrmj$pbi$1@news3.zwoll1.ov.home.nl>,
Boudewijn Waijers <kroisos@REMOVETHISWORD.home.nl> wrote:

>I guess you haven't had a look at
>
> http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/nh/gazetteer/vlad.html

No, I have looked at that. And I think this is my 14th character in
Hell, so I'm pretty used to this.

The spoiler says "between DL34 and DL42", is that still accurate?

And can the upstairs be in lairs or on levels that include the tower? I
honestly cannot remember ever seeing them there.
 
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james wrote:
> In article <cvvrmj$pbi$1@news3.zwoll1.ov.home.nl>,
> Boudewijn Waijers <kroisos@REMOVETHISWORD.home.nl> wrote:

>> I guess you haven't had a look at
>> http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/nh/gazetteer/vlad.html

> No, I have looked at that. And I think this is my 14th character in
> Hell, so I'm pretty used to this.

> The spoiler says "between DL34 and DL42", is that still accurate?

It says that, and it is still accurate. Moreover, it says: "it is
reached by a second upstair in Gehennom located between the 9th and 13th
levels (and therefore between DL 34 and DL 42)".

The first indication is, of course, much more accurate than the second,
since you have to search only five levels. The Valley is level 1 of
Gehennom.

> And can the upstairs be in lairs or on levels that include the tower?
> I honestly cannot remember ever seeing them there.

They can be on *every* level, if I recall correctly. I don't think they
can be in a pre-drawn part of a level, though. So, they can be on a
level containing the wizard's tower, but not in the tower part. They can
be on Orcus' level, but not in the town part, etc. I'm not sure about
Jubilex's level.

--
Boudewijn Waijers (kroisos at home.nl).

The garden of happiness is surrounded by a wall so low only children
can look over it. - "the Orphanage of Hits", former Dutch radio show.
 
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In article <cvvut2$keo$1@news6.zwoll1.ov.home.nl>,
Boudewijn Waijers <kroisos@REMOVETHISWORD.home.nl> wrote:

>It says that, and it is still accurate. Moreover, it says: "it is
>reached by a second upstair in Gehennom located between the 9th and 13th
>levels (and therefore between DL 34 and DL 42)".

I finally found it. I had taken to digging out all of hell. (I know
the stairs can't be on walls, but I was so bored, I just had to keep on
digging.)

So now I have a level 19 elf ranger with 2 magic lamps, AC-49, 511HP, 280Pwr,
a +7 unicorn horn, +7 rustproof pickaxe, +7 Stormbringer, both +7
brands, +6 Longbow, Fooproofed everything (even the bag), spare
everything, genocided L's, MMF's, Cockatrices, Disenchanters, and all
sea life, the bell and the candlestick are both sitting on the VS, and
he's back at this altar camp on DL5.

Situation is too good. I don't trust it one bit.
 
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"Boudewijn Waijers" <kroisos@REMOVETHISWORD.home.nl> wrote:

> james wrote:
> > And can the upstairs be in lairs or on levels that include the tower?
> > I honestly cannot remember ever seeing them there.
>
> They can be on *every* level, if I recall correctly. I don't think they
> can be in a pre-drawn part of a level, though. So, they can be on a
> level containing the wizard's tower, but not in the tower part. They can
> be on Orcus' level, but not in the town part, etc. I'm not sure about
> Jubilex's level.

They can't be on Juiblex's level in any case; the swamp is between 4 and
7 of Gehennom, the upstairs between 9 and 13. They can't be in with the
Wizard's fake towers, either, or with Asmodee. They can be on
Baalzebub's (just; his range ends at 9) or the real Tower (three levels,
11 to 18); most likely is Orcus, between 10 and 15.

Richard
 
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"Boudewijn Waijers" <kroisos@REMOVETHISWORD.home.nl> writes:
> james wrote:

[The Gazetteer's entry for Vlad's Tower, which says it's between
the 9th and 13th levels of Gehennom)]

> > And can the upstairs be in lairs or on levels that include the tower?
> > I honestly cannot remember ever seeing them there.
>
> They can be on *every* level, if I recall correctly. I don't think they
> can be in a pre-drawn part of a level, though. So, they can be on a
> level containing the wizard's tower, but not in the tower part. They can
> be on Orcus' level, but not in the town part, etc. I'm not sure about
> Jubilex's level.

Juiblex' level falls outside the relevant range (it being G4-G7),
as does Asmodeus' level. The entries in the Gazetteer for Baalzebub's
and Orcus' levels and the Wizard's tower levels all state clearly that
the stairs to Vlad's Tower may be present; as Boudewijn notes, only
in a mazy bit and not a fixed-layout bit.

--
: Dylan O'Donnell http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/ :
: "You boil it in sawdust: you salt it in glue: / You condense it with :
: locusts and tape: / Still keeping one principal object in view -- / :
: To preserve its symmetrical shape." [ Lewis Carroll, "THotS" ] :
 
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james wrote:

> but I was so bored, I just had to keep on digging.

See below, in my signature.

> Situation is too good. I don't trust it one bit.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

--
Boudewijn Waijers (kroisos at home.nl).


"I was so bored today, I even considered cleaning the house."
-- from : Desperate Housewives
 
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begin quoting james <fishbowl@conservatory.com>:
>I can't find vlad's stairs. I've looked under boulders, from Jubi's
>swamp down, and looked again. Now I need to look some more. Where can
>they *not* be? Maybe that would help to know. Can they be on any of
>the levels with the wiz's tower? Can they be in orcustown or asmo's
>lair?

They certainly can be in Orcus Town.
--
David Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Distortion Field!
Today is Teleute, March.
 
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David Damerell wrote:

> begin quoting james <fishbowl@conservatory.com>:

>> I can't find vlad's stairs. I've looked under boulders, from
>> Jubi's swamp down, and looked again. Now I need to look some
>> more. Where can they *not* be? Maybe that would help to know.
>> Can they be on any of the levels with the wiz's tower? Can
>> they be in orcustown or asmo's lair?

> They certainly can be in Orcus Town.

Well, strictly speaking, no. They can be on Orcus's level, but only in
the non-Town part, IIRC.

By the way, David, would you mind adding a space after the ">" you use
as a quoting character? It would make your messages easier to read.

--
Boudewijn Waijers (kroisos at home.nl).

The garden of happiness is surrounded by a wall so low only children
can look over it. - "the Orphanage of Hits", former Dutch radio show.
 
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