Looking for an OC'n MicroATX

[igottaknife]

Is there any Socket A mobo with multiplier settings that are in MicroATX format and support DDR? Everything I've seen so far only has FSB adjustment. nVidia or VIA chipsets preffered.

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[Crashman]

nVidia or VIA chipsets preffered.

LOL, I nominate that for stupid quote of the year. What else is there? SiS? They're better than VIA. ALi? Do they even have anything current? So here goes my nomination!

Take a look at the MSI K7N2GM-L, I'm fairly sure it has multipliers but you'll have to read reviews yourself to be certain.

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[igottaknife]

Nope, don't got them. Huh I'm surprised you even posted about a MicroATX. I haven't been on the forums in a while, you still so adamantly anti-SFF?

This is going on a Gentoo box and I'm not sure how well it will work with the SiS. Since I've used nForce and VIA before with it and had no problems, I figured I'd just go the same route. Besides it said "preffered", not "only".

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[Crashman]

Nothing too harsh to say about Micro ATX, with boards now supporting good onboard LAN. You get 3 PCI slots, which makes it superior to Flex ATX. Also it can support a double-wide AGP card and have 2 slots free, SFX can do neither. Micro ATX towers tend to be narrower than SFX, freeing up a bit of desk space. Micro ATX desktops tend to be shorter than SFX, freeing up space in a home theater rack. Micro ATX allows you to change configurations, upgrade power supplies, use multiple cards, and pick your own board. Micro ATX isn't the end of our hobby, SFX is.

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[igottaknife]

Actually I must elaborate. The K7N2GM-L does have a multiplier setting, but not in the BIOS. (!?) Some smacktard thought it would be better in windows based software instead. Hell, I'd rather have both, but not having the option before an OS installation is kinda dumb.

I found the Biostar M7NCG-400 to fit my needs. It has exactly what I need since I'm using an XP-Mobile. (Something I didn't mention earlier).

Oh as for SFF I go to LAN's and find it best suited for that. But when building a dedicated box I feel microATX is best. ATX is now only suited for super performance IMHO eg. RAID, SCSI, Hydro-cooling, etc. There was a site I saw that was all about custom SFF's. You want to talk about a hobby these guys did crazy stuff like make comps out of WW2 surplus bombs and stuff. I'll post it if I find it.

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[igottaknife]

and as for double wide AGP... cummon now. That's the biggest crutch I've seen since the slot processors. If they gotta make vid cards double wide, chances are they didn't do thier homework well enough.

(Don't get me wrong I loved how easy it was to install slot cpu's, but the external cache really killed performance.)

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[Crashman]

Well, now you're confusing the performance computing hobby with the handicraft hobby...we build powerful systems, they make baskets, pottery, and computer cases out of jewelry boxes.

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[igottaknife]

I think you're being too specific in defining "our hobby". Many aspects of case modding have nothing to do with performance. Yet they make a very popular niche with PC tweakers. I think what got you so mad is that Tom's started to cover something other than performance. From what I gather your ideal hobby would be hulking white box's with fan holes that haven't been deburred and vacant drive bays. Performance outside of the box in terms of asthetics and portability matter as much if not more to many people. The market will cater as much as it can to what people want. People will always want raw performance, but that alone won't satisfy the market. What SFF did to the PC market is resurect the Lazarus that was the home PC. The "Riceboy" machines with 50 fans do not stir enough interest outside of the teenie bopper market. SFF does. It stirred interest and optimism. Companies like Shuttle and Apple deserve at least a thankyou for reviving interest in the general user market.

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[Crashman]

Don't insult my intelligence with ignorant comments, it doesn't become you. I've already told you the benifits of Micro ATX, yet you complain that I only support big hulking boxes.

This is an Enthusiast site. Case modders aren't enthusiast, their hobbiest. And portability ideally means getting the most features out of a given size, when SFF boxes get EITHER narrower OR shorter, and support 2 hard drives, 2 CD-ROMS, double width AGP cards, and at least 2 PCI cards (see, I'm making it easy), then they'll...be Micro ATX.

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[pIII_Man]

Asrock K7S41

multi adjustments via jumpers...you need to have 5 spare jumpers laying around.

The board i delt with can do 250mhz fsb (500mhz ddr) with memory asynch

235mhz fsb (470mhz ddr) with memory running synchronous

Running 2x 128mb crucial pc3200 sticks rated cas 3...at 2.7v they seem to run 235mhz fsb just fine, seems this chipset doesnt push the memory very hard. At 2.6v and cas 2.5 they can do pc3200 speeds just fine.

I have no extra cooling on NB, the cpu is running an 8.5x multi (its rated at a 2000+) this is a PVR box for a freind.

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