Looking for fx 8350 and a GPU or i5

[Akhlys]

Should I go with fx 8350 and gtx 970 or core i5 and r9 280x/290? Thanks

 

[bootcher]

Neither, go with an i5 4460 and GTX 970.

 

[Bossyfins]

Whats your budget?

 

[Wisecracker]

AMD FX-8320
Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P
G.SKILL 2x4GB RAM 1600MHz
$291 before $10 rebate

at 1080p: GTX 970
above 1080p: R9 290/X

Prices on the R9 290 and 290X, and likely on the GTX 970, will drop over the next month or so as the OEMs position new price points in anticipation of the Fiji XT


Edit: I fergit
Lotsa great combos with the GA-970A-UD3P

 

[Akhlys]

Whats your budget?

About 300$ give or take. That's why I ask; Which of the following should I go?
A) A core i5 4690k + ~100 + 10$ mobo + r9 290/r9 280x
B) An FX-8350 + 130$ mobo + gtx 970
C) Xeon 1231v3 + 90$ mobo + R9 290

I have heard that the AM3+ socket is dead a countless number of times and I would like to know whether Amd is really not going to support their Fx line? I am really "thinking" of considering z97 i5 and pair it with a cheaper GPU and lower end mobo or xeon for i7-like performance....... There are tooooooo much combinations! 🙁

I will be doing basic 3d rendering

 

[Bossyfins]

Go with the xeon, because of hyperthreading.

As for AM3/+, it isn't dead, but it is just old technology.

 

[Wisecracker]

It depends on your 3D software and rendering engine, and your personal preference.

Generally, forget about CPU rendering. OpenCL and CUDA is now infinitely faster using GPU compute. Plus, in a highly parallelized CPU environment like 3D rendering, multiple threads typically run better on AMD 'Integer Cores' as opposed to Intel 'Hyper-Threads'

...I have heard that the AM3+ socket is dead a countless number of times

AM3+ is not 'dead' or 'out-dated'

 

[Bossyfins]

Exactly, its a very good option still.

 

[Akhlys]

It depends on your 3D software and rendering engine, and your personal preference.

AM3+ is not 'dead' or 'out-dated'

Any noticeable speed differences between pci 2.0 and pci 3?

If I go with an fx 8350, I am not sure it will support "new" Graphics card. From what I heard, that cpu bottlenecks gtx 970.

 

[Bossyfins]

It should not be hit to much.

Maybe like 3-4 fps

 

[Akhlys]

It should not be hit to much.

Maybe like 3-4 fps

And do you know what RAM speeds it supports? I searched all over the place and some say it depends on cpu and others, the motherboard.

 

[Bossyfins]

What motherboard are you talking about

 

[Akhlys]

What can be the max that 990fx supports (not including crosshairV)?

 

[Bossyfins]

Max 990fx?

 

[Wisecracker]

Check out the specific OEM memory 'QVL' lists offered for each motherboard.

Asus tends to be less 'finicky' with RAMs not on their QVL lists than Gigabyte, but Gigabyte boards tend to have better electricals and OC higher.

I hate to speak 'generally' but to max out 32GB (4x8GB) of dual-channel RAMs on Gigabyte, you are likely limited to 1866MHz. You can likely run 2x sticks of faster RAMs in dual-channel, but the trade-off is to go 4x you have to drop from dual- to single-channel (likely a 5% or so RAM performance hit). Asus, once again, less bothersome.

PCIe Gen3 versus Gen2 is effectively a non-issue -- maybe 1% with the 'high-level' cards (last time I checked) in gaming. It also depends upon your utilization. AMD 'FX' motherboards will run x16/x16 Gen2 and Intel will run x8/x8 Gen3 --- each the same bandwidth.

I'm doing a 'Ghetto' build this weekend with an FX-8230E and a Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 AM3+ (Yeah, I'm frugal ). I'm starting with some Crucial 1333MHz and hope to find some 1866MHz lying around the 'Ghetto Labs' to test for bandwidth and latency. I'll let you know how that goes :lol: (My aim is limited, as it should be on the mobo).

 

[bootcher]

Whats your budget?

About 300$ give or take. That's why I ask; Which of the following should I go?
A) A core i5 4690k + ~100 + 10$ mobo + r9 290/r9 280x
B) An FX-8350 + 130$ mobo + gtx 970
C) Xeon 1231v3 + 90$ mobo + R9 290

I have heard that the AM3+ socket is dead a countless number of times and I would like to know whether Amd is really not going to support their Fx line? I am really "thinking" of considering z97 i5 and pair it with a cheaper GPU and lower end mobo or xeon for i7-like performance....... There are tooooooo much combinations! 🙁

I will be doing basic 3d rendering

A single GTX 970 is about $350, R9 280 about $200 or more so I don't see how any of your options are going to cost you only $300.

 

[Akhlys]

Whats your budget?

About 300$ give or take. That's why I ask; Which of the following should I go?
A) A core i5 4690k + ~100 + 10$ mobo + r9 290/r9 280x
B) An FX-8350 + 130$ mobo + gtx 970
C) Xeon 1231v3 + 90$ mobo + R9 290

I have heard that the AM3+ socket is dead a countless number of times and I would like to know whether Amd is really not going to support their Fx line? I am really "thinking" of considering z97 i5 and pair it with a cheaper GPU and lower end mobo or xeon for i7-like performance....... There are tooooooo much combinations! 🙁

I will be doing basic 3d rendering

A single GTX 970 is about $350, R9 280 about $200 or more so I don't see how any of your options are going to cost you only $300.

300$ for cpu and motherboard

 

[Akhlys]

Check out the specific OEM memory 'QVL' lists offered for each motherboard.

Asus tends to be less 'finicky' with RAMs not on their QVL lists than Gigabyte, but Gigabyte boards tend to have better electricals and OC higher.

I hate to speak 'generally' but to max out 32GB (4x8GB) of dual-channel RAMs on Gigabyte, you are likely limited to 1866MHz. You can likely run 2x sticks of faster RAMs in dual-channel, but the trade-off is to go 4x you have to drop from dual- to single-channel (likely a 5% or so RAM performance hit). Asus, once again, less bothersome.

PCIe Gen3 versus Gen2 is effectively a non-issue -- maybe 1% with the 'high-level' cards (last time I checked) in gaming. It also depends upon your utilization. AMD 'FX' motherboards will run x16/x16 Gen2 and Intel will run x8/x8 Gen3 --- each the same bandwidth.

I'm doing a 'Ghetto' build this weekend with an FX-8230E and a Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 AM3+ (Yeah, I'm frugal ). I'm starting with some Crucial 1333MHz and hope to find some 1866MHz lying around the 'Ghetto Labs' to test for bandwidth and latency. I'll let you know how that goes :lol: (My aim is limited, as it should be on the mobo).

Thank you and all the best.
Does Gigabyte 990fxa ud3 support fan control? Just asking and the bios is old style, right?

 

[Akhlys]

Also, I have seen benchmarks where i5 beats fx 8350 in rendering. Is it much?

 

[mdocod]

I will be doing basic 3d rendering

Selecting the best possible hardware for productivity requires consideration of the specific software and the way in which it will be used. Without knowing exactly what modeling software and export renderers you intend to use, there's no way to accurately recommend hardware.

The best hardware configuration for your needs might be an FX-8310 + FirePro W5100 (advanced openGL viewport support and performance combined with good CPU based export rendering performance), or might be an i3-4160 + GTX970 (dx11 or basic openGL viewport performance with good CUDA export rendering performance), or could be some other combination of hardware....

Without more details, any speculation about what is best for your intended use is a shot in the dark.

 

[Akhlys]

Let's say... blender.

 

[mdocod]

For blender, i3-4160 or i5-4590/4690K + GTX970. Both the viewport /modeling performance and cycles export renderer performacne will scale best with this hardware configuration. Viewport performance will scale primarily with single core performance, export render performance will scale primarily with the strength and quantity of CUDA cards installed. (cycles does support openCL rendering on AMD cards, but it is not well optimized at this time).