Looking For Professional Help On Buying A New CPU

[Bobo1458]

Hello! So I am wanting to upgrade my I7 4770k @3.4ghz processor, but I am not very good at deciphering which cpu's are the best. I looked on amazon at how much mine would sell for and it goes for almost as much as the I7 6800k which is odd considering mine was bought around a year/ a year and a half ago. I'm hoping for some professional input on what processor would be best to run games like Grand Theft Auto 5 and other demanding open-world games at 60 fps constantly with all the graphical settings maxed out.
My System specs are:
GPU: GTX 970
Ram: 16gb Corsair
PSU: 850w
Also my processor is liquid cooled
1 TB Memory
With an MSI Motherboard
Thanks for the help!

 

[IceMyth]

Hi,

Why the 6800K Cost more vs 4770K and what is difference?
1- Release date: 6800k (Q2'16) vs 4770K (Q2'13) so it is 3 years difference.
2- Cores/Threads: 6800k (6/12) vs 4770K (4/8), means in the 6800k can have 4 process running at the same extra more over the 4770k
3- RAM support: 6800K (DDR4) vs 4770k (DDR3)
4- Socket support: 6800k (FCLGA2011-3) vs 4770 (FCLGA1150): Note here since different sockets means different MB, also need to replace the MB because of the RAMs the 6800k support.

Regards,

 

[Bobo1458]

Hi,

Why the 6800K Cost more vs 4770K and what is difference?
1- Release date: 6800k (Q2'16) vs 4770K (Q2'13) so it is 3 years difference.
2- Cores/Threads: 6800k (6/12) vs 4770K (4/8), means in the 6800k can have 4 process running at the same extra more over the 4770k
3- RAM support: 6800K (DDR4) vs 4770k (DDR3)
4- Socket support: 6800k (FCLGA2011-3) vs 4770 (FCLGA1150): Note here since different sockets means different MB, also need to replace the MB because of the RAMs the 6800k support.

Regards,

So would upgrading to the I7 6800k be an upgrade worth getting to where I will see fps increases and startup times decrease ?

 

[Ecky]

There are no CPUs out there that are a significant upgrade over what you have. Hold onto it for a few more years, any money you spend now is largely wasted.

 

[Bobo1458]

There are no CPUs out there that are a significant upgrade over what you have. Hold onto it for a few more years, any money you spend now is largely wasted.

Dang, alright. I was just hoping to see frame increase on some games because with my gpu I should be running all my games at max settings with 60 fps. Where I can't run Guild Wars 2 at max settings without dipping below 40 to 30 fps when there is a lot happening on screen.

 

[Ecky]

Guild Wars 2 is very single-thread limited. An i7 6700K has 5-10% better performance per clock than your current CPU, and has the fastest single-thread performance of any CPU on the market. Where you're seeing ~30fps now, you'd see 32-33fps with the latest and greatest.

 

[IceMyth]

Hi,

Why the 6800K Cost more vs 4770K and what is difference?
1- Release date: 6800k (Q2'16) vs 4770K (Q2'13) so it is 3 years difference.
2- Cores/Threads: 6800k (6/12) vs 4770K (4/8), means in the 6800k can have 4 process running at the same extra more over the 4770k
3- RAM support: 6800K (DDR4) vs 4770k (DDR3)
4- Socket support: 6800k (FCLGA2011-3) vs 4770 (FCLGA1150): Note here since different sockets means different MB, also need to replace the MB because of the RAMs the 6800k support.

Regards,

So would upgrading to the I7 6800k be an upgrade worth getting to where I will see fps increases and startup times decrease ?

Hi,

Seems Intel will release a new CPU this fall or on winter which I believe will be away better than what you have. So if I were you I would wait until the release their new CPU and new MB's comes out that support it and then compare what you have vs these new CPUs/MBs which I believe would be around the same price of the 6800k.

Ends with ---> Newest high end CPU/MB in the market, also PCIe 4.0 will be coming next year too (Not sure) which will boost your GPU if support the bandwidth of the PCIe 4.0.

Regards,

 

[Bobo1458]

Guild Wars 2 is very single-thread limited. An i7 6700K has 5-10% better performance per clock than your current CPU, and has the fastest single-thread performance of any CPU on the market. Where you're seeing ~30fps now, you'd see 32-33fps with the latest and greatest.

That sucks they haven't released a newer and more powerful cpu since I last bought mine. Thought like every month newer and better hardware components are released. Thanks for the help! Is there any advice to give me on seeing an increase in frames, I mean maybe get another gtx 970, but I heard SLI isn't that good for many games and also my cpu might bottleneck.

 

[Bobo1458]

Hi,

Why the 6800K Cost more vs 4770K and what is difference?
1- Release date: 6800k (Q2'16) vs 4770K (Q2'13) so it is 3 years difference.
2- Cores/Threads: 6800k (6/12) vs 4770K (4/8), means in the 6800k can have 4 process running at the same extra more over the 4770k
3- RAM support: 6800K (DDR4) vs 4770k (DDR3)
4- Socket support: 6800k (FCLGA2011-3) vs 4770 (FCLGA1150): Note here since different sockets means different MB, also need to replace the MB because of the RAMs the 6800k support.

Regards,

So would upgrading to the I7 6800k be an upgrade worth getting to where I will see fps increases and startup times decrease ?

Hi,

Seems Intel will release a new CPU this fall or on winter which I believe will be away better than what you have. So if I were you I would wait until the release their new CPU and new MB's comes out that support it and then compare what you have vs these new CPUs/MBs which I believe would be around the same price of the 6800k.

Ends with ---> Newest high end CPU/MB in the market, also PCIe 4.0 will be coming next year too (Not sure) which will boost your GPU if support the bandwidth of the PCIe 4.0.

Regards,

Ok cool! Yeah I will definitely have to wait then Thanks for the help! Very much appreciated!

 

[Ecky]

Guild Wars 2 runs poorly on any existing hardware. Games that are coded to take advantage of more cores don't tend to get bogged down as much, consider it a limitation of software rather than anything wrong with your PC. Literally everyone else on earth has the same or worse performance than you.

There is one thing you can do, and that's overclock. You can probably get 10-15% extra clockspeed out of your CPU, which would equate to 10-15% extra framerate, which admittedly isn't much but it's something.

Intel's Kaby Lake (7xxx) CPUs coming out later this year will probably be ~5% better than their current Skylake CPUs, and clocked a little higher. Even people who bought i7's in 2011 are still not seeing much reason to upgrade. All of the low-hanging fruit in computer performance has already been picked, and we're down to ~5% per year improvements in processing power.

 

[Bobo1458]

Guild Wars 2 runs poorly on any existing hardware. Games that are coded to take advantage of more cores don't tend to get bogged down as much, consider it a limitation of software rather than anything wrong with your PC. Literally everyone else on earth has the same or worse performance than you.

There is one thing you can do, and that's overclock. You can probably get 10-15% extra clockspeed out of your CPU, which would equate to 10-15% extra framerate, which admittedly isn't much but it's something.

Intel's Kaby Lake (7xxx) CPUs coming out later this year will probably be ~5% better than their current Skylake CPUs, and clocked a little higher. Even people who bought i7's in 2011 are still not seeing much reason to upgrade. All of the low-hanging fruit in computer performance has already been picked, and we're down to ~5% per year improvements in processing power.

This is very true about how Guild Wars isn't very well optimized haha! But even playing GTA 5 which is pretty well optimized I see a massive frame dip when around shrubbery on ultra settings and having shadows on ultra still takes a massive dip into my frames. I'm not bottle-necking anywhere in my computer for that to happen am I? Or do I just have to have a complete monster of a computer with quad Titans and 32gb of ram?

 

[Ecky]

There's a way to check if your CPU is what's causing low framerates: Graphical settings have basically nothing to do with your CPU, so if you lower them, and your framerates go up, a faster video card would allow better framerates at the same graphical settings, or higher graphical settings with similar framerates.

EDIT: Something is always bottlenecking something else, or your framerates would be infinitely high. The trick is to have hardware sufficient to make the games you want to play fun any enjoyable.