Question Looking to increase performance on Ryzen 5 5600x

[archer723]

Hi Everyone,

I've had my PC for almost 4 years now and I'm starting to see that I'm getting pretty low performance in some of the higher end games that are coming out. It's becoming a challenge to maintain consistent 120+ frames in games like Diablo 4 and I'm barely pushing 80 FPS in HellDivers 2. I'm constantly having to tweak settings to get the smoothest game play experience and it's becoming a real PITA. I feel like my machine is robust enough to handle the load but I'm wondering if there is anything additional I could be doing?

1. Should I consider upgrading to 32GB of 4000 Mhz DDR4? (I noticed only 16 GB is recommended on the QVL) I've got the XMP profile running to push the to 3200 Mhz.
2. I'm probably going to get scolded for this one but I am running PBO.....with the stock cooler... with the side of the case off..... I think I'm answering my own question here but will the Ryzen PBO push the performance beyond what I'm seeing now if I get an AIO Water Cooler?

Any recommendations would be really appreciated.

Here is a screenshot of my specs:

Thank you!

 

[boju]

5600x is just running out of legs is all. Consider 5800x3D if don't want to change motherboard. Your current ram speed is fine for this and i highly doubtful you'll get 4000 ram running properly, rather put funds towards 5800x3D and a decent air cooler (peerless assassin if case can accommodate). Avoid water, pumps fail eventually so id rather not think about when that'll happen.

 

[archer723]

Thank you! So I can get a Ryzen 7 5800X3D and not have to change anything? Any idea what kind of performance increase would I see?

 

[boju]

Depends on the title of course but going by Techspot, and there'd be other sites you can look at, vs regular 5800x (5600x would be close to there abouts i guess minus the two cores which would be handy to have for grilling titles), x3D has a significant uplift in many games.

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review: Gaming-First CPU

Making CPU cores faster rather than adding more cores is the best way to boost PC gaming performance. That's why AMD has supercharged their 8-core, 16-thread CPU...

www.techspot.com

Don't need to change anything physically besides cooler. Though you might want to return bios to defaults then update to the latest prior to installing new cpu, just to be sure it goes smoothly.

 

[archer723]

Really appreciate the help, thank you.

 

[geofelt]

Do you really need more than 16gb??
If you only run games, then 16gb is likely ok.
If you also do some multitasking while gaming, then perhaps more ram is good.
Start up task manager and select resource monitor.
Select the memory tab and look at the hard fault per second column after gaming a while.
If you see anything much north of zero hard faults per second, more ram would be a benefit.

Ryzen depends on fast ram for performance.
Unfortunately, this is a complicated matter, depending not only on the ram but the motherboard and chipset.
You are smart to select ram from the QVL list, or at least from a ram vendor support list for your mobo/cpu combo.

You could upgrade the cpu to 5800X for a minor boost.
5900x or 5950x give you more threads, but no boost in single thread performance which is what games need.
If the ONLY thing you do is gaming, then the 5800X3d can be considered.
It does even better in gaming, but everything else will perform better with the base 5800x.
These changes are simple, just update the bios to currency before swapping the cpu.
As a quick test, run the cpu=Z bench on your 5600x and look at the single thread performance rating.
It should be about 643:
https://valid.x86.fr/bench/rsf5p1/1

To get better performance with amd and the 7000 series processors, you will need to change the motherboard to AM5 and to ddr5 ram
That will bring in activation and windows re installation issues.
At that point, you might as well look into Intel and the upcoming arrow lake processors due by the end of the year.

What is the make/model of your case and it's fan arrangement?
Noctua maintains a list of suitable air coolers. Here is the list for the 5800x:
https://ncc.noctua.at/cpus/model/AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X-1046
On the list, you will see that the NH-U12s is suitable, but hot for overclocking.
The NH-U12s is a very good single tower cooler that is stronger than your stock cooler.
But, there are a number of fully suitable stronger coolers.
NH-D15S would be about the best, but there are a number of less expensive alternatives out there.

 

[archer723]

Do you really need more than 16gb??
If you only run games, then 16gb is likely ok.
If you also do some multitasking while gaming, then perhaps more ram is good.
Start up task manager and select resource monitor.
Select the memory tab and look at the hard fault per second column after gaming a while.
If you see anything much north of zero hard faults per second, more ram would be a benefit.

Ryzen depends on fast ram for performance.
Unfortunately, this is a complicated matter, depending not only on the ram but the motherboard and chipset.
You are smart to select ram from the QVL list, or at least from a ram vendor support list for your mobo/cpu combo.

You could upgrade the cpu to 5800X for a minor boost.
5900x or 5950x give you more threads, but no boost in single thread performance which is what games need.
If the ONLY thing you do is gaming, then the 5800X3d can be considered.
It does even better in gaming, but everything else will perform better with the base 5800x.
These changes are simple, just update the bios to currency before swapping the cpu.
As a quick test, run the cpu=Z bench on your 5600x and look at the single thread performance rating.
It should be about 643:
https://valid.x86.fr/bench/rsf5p1/1

To get better performance with amd and the 7000 series processors, you will need to change the motherboard to AM5 and to ddr5 ram
That will bring in activation and windows re installation issues.
At that point, you might as well look into Intel and the upcoming arrow lake processors due by the end of the year.

What is the make/model of your case and it's fan arrangement?
Noctua maintains a list of suitable air coolers. Here is the list for the 5800x:
https://ncc.noctua.at/cpus/model/AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X-1046
On the list, you will see that the NH-U12s is suitable, but hot for overclocking.
The NH-U12s is a very good single tower cooler that is stronger than your stock cooler.
But, there are a number of fully suitable stronger coolers.
NH-D15S would be about the best, but there are a number of less expensive alternatives out there.

Wow! Thank you for the suggestions! I have a

Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic Tempered Glass ATX Mid-Tower

I’m going to wait for the new intel series to be released and get a new build then. I know I’ll have to replace the majority of the components but my case, M.2, and 3080 should be fine to reuse. I’ll just have to wipe the M.2 to prevent the Windows Auth issues.

In the meantime, I’m going to look at replacing the stock cooler. I ran benchmarks on the cpu and gpu simultaneously and my temps reached around 94 degrees. I think the issue I’m having is when I’m playing a demanding game, the processor is hitting the default temp thresholds and decelerating which is causing the frame drops.

If I can get the temps down, I can run PBO on enabled rather than auto and hopefully see a performance increase.

Thoughts?

Thanks again.

 

[geofelt]

Is this your case?
https://www.newegg.com/p/2AM-000Z-000B8
If so, it allows 165mm for an air cooler.
Or, is this similarly named O11 your case?
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811112583
If so, the cooler is limited to 155mm.

Noctua maintains a list of suitable coolers.
Here is the list for the 5600x:
https://ncc.noctua.at/cpus/model/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X-1047

If you are limited to 155mm, the NH-D12L is very good:
https://noctua.at/en/nh-d12l-chromax-black/specification

165mm will handle most any cooler.
I like the NH-D15s which is a high compatibility version of the NH-D15.
A plus for Noctua is that they supply free upgrades for the mounting system if you should change motherboards.