[SOLVED] Looking to upgrade but unsure what to change

Jul 7, 2022
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Hi there,

I'm looking to upgrade my current set up (I've included my current build at the end). I play Red Dead Redemption (barely), Euro Truck Simulator 2, Assassins Creed (all of them), Sleeping Dogs, Motorcycle Mechanic, Lego Hobbit Fall Guys, Moving Out etc so mostly light games with some more graphically intense games thrown in there occasionally. I want to make sure that whatever I get will fit in my case for a start and also that it will run most things with no issues - that's why I'm here. I know enough PC building to install the parts but when it comes to actually knowing what will fit and/or give the best performance I tend to tie myself in knots and get confused easily.

My PC can be quite sluggish at times (mostly when running Firefox currently even with very few tabs open). I've had advice from friends to upgrade my GPU, RAM, PSU and potentially add some more storage for booting up, does this seem like a good idea, too much or maybe even not enough? I equally don't want it breaking in a couple of years either. My budget is around £600 but I know the GPU might take most of that - I am open to the idea of doing it in a few chunks so important bits first, less important but still needed later etc.

Thanks for any advice you can give and I'm happy to answer any questions on bits I might have missed out.

Case
GAME MAX FALCON BLACK GAMING CASE (RGB LED)
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i5 Six Core Processor i5-8400 (2.8GHz) 9MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® PRIME B360M-A: Micro-ATX, LGA1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs - RGB Ready
Memory (RAM)
8GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2133MHz (1 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
6GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1060 - DVI, HDMI, 3 x DP - GeForce GTX VR Ready!
1st Storage Drive
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
Power Supply
CORSAIR 550W VS SERIES™ VS-550 POWER SUPPLY
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
PCS FrostFlow 100 Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless Network Card
WIRELESS 802.11N 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
 
Solution
Unless you are really attached to that case, I'd wipe the drive, put a clean Windows 10 unregistered on it and sell the whole thing as is for as much as you can get for it.

Reason I say this is because what you'll spend trying to upgrade and improve and replace everything to get a decent gaming experience is going to leave you with nothing but the case anyway.

I5-8400. 6/6 cpu hard pressed to get 3.7-3.8GHz on any game as most if not all of the cores will see usage, so you'll not get the 4.0GHz max or even close. Has very limited L3 cache. So right out of the gate you are handicapped.

Asus B360M-A. It'll handle 2666MHz dual channel with your cpu, you have a single stick of 8Gb 2133MHz. More handicap. Should really make that 16Gb...
Hi there,

Case
GAME MAX FALCON BLACK GAMING CASE (RGB LED)
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i5 Six Core Processor i5-8400 (2.8GHz) 9MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® PRIME B360M-A: Micro-ATX, LGA1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs - RGB Ready
Memory (RAM)
8GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2133MHz (1 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
6GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1060 - DVI, HDMI, 3 x DP - GeForce GTX VR Ready!
1st Storage Drive
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
Power Supply
CORSAIR 550W VS SERIES™ VS-550 POWER SUPPLY
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
PCS FrostFlow 100 Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless Network Card
WIRELESS 802.11N 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS


Main problems I see with this list:
  1. Only 1 stick of RAM, not having two identical stick of RAM means no dual channel, which means less performance. There are tons of videos out there showing this.
  2. No SSD, having no SSD in 2022 and feeling your system "quite sluggish" is really a no surprise, but adding to this is the fact you only have 8GB of RAM in 1 stick.
  3. Your PSU power limits your GPU upgradability.
On a side note, you didn't said whats your monitor resolution and refresh rate. And this is very important info when upgrading a gaming PC.

Another side note, although your i5 8400 is not a last gen CPU, it shoudl be good enough in most games you named.

On yet another side note, for my own system, and since I play both ETS2 and ATS, I will preffer a big screen (like 27~32 inches) and a GPU that can drive that resolution. But those are my most played games of all.
 
An SSD is the obvious first choice.....any you buy would be transferable in the future to a totally new PC.

Your motherboard and CPU are circa 4 years old tech. You can't go too far with improvements if you have to keep those parts.

Sound cards aren't often seen in current builds. Most rely on built in sound.

I'd be sorely tempted to get an SSD, a new board and a new CPU and worry about the rest of it later as you acquire more funds.
 
Hi there,

Case
GAME MAX FALCON BLACK GAMING CASE (RGB LED)
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i5 Six Core Processor i5-8400 (2.8GHz) 9MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® PRIME B360M-A: Micro-ATX, LGA1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs - RGB Ready
Memory (RAM)
8GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2133MHz (1 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
6GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1060 - DVI, HDMI, 3 x DP - GeForce GTX VR Ready!
1st Storage Drive
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
Power Supply
CORSAIR 550W VS SERIES™ VS-550 POWER SUPPLY
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
PCS FrostFlow 100 Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless Network Card
WIRELESS 802.11N 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS


Main problems I see with this list:
  1. Only 1 stick of RAM, not having two identical stick of RAM means no dual channel, which means less performance. There are tons of videos out there showing this.
  2. No SSD, having no SSD in 2022 and feeling your system "quite sluggish" is really a no surprise, but adding to this is the fact you only have 8Gb of RAM in 1 stick.
  3. Your PSU power limits your GPU upgradability.
On a side note, you didn't said whats your monitor resolution and refresh rate. And this is very important info when upgrading a gaming PC.

Hi,

I have two screens they're both HP 27es 27" which is 1920x1080 and the refresh rate is 50-60hz according to Google but I've never messed with the refresh rate.

Thanks
 
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This Why_Me list is good!, it wont make your games play way faster, but you should see an improvement with a faster CPU and dual channel RAM.

The only thing I would change is get a bigger PSU, probably something around the 750 watts, just to be ready for when OP upgrade its GPU.
 
Hi there,

I'm looking to upgrade my current set up (I've included my current build at the end). I play Red Dead Redemption (barely), Euro Truck Simulator 2, Assassins Creed (all of them), Sleeping Dogs, Motorcycle Mechanic, Lego Hobbit Fall Guys, Moving Out etc so mostly light games with some more graphically intense games thrown in there occasionally. I want to make sure that whatever I get will fit in my case for a start and also that it will run most things with no issues - that's why I'm here. I know enough PC building to install the parts but when it comes to actually knowing what will fit and/or give the best performance I tend to tie myself in knots and get confused easily.

My PC can be quite sluggish at times (mostly when running Firefox currently even with very few tabs open). I've had advice from friends to upgrade my GPU, RAM, PSU and potentially add some more storage for booting up, does this seem like a good idea, too much or maybe even not enough? I equally don't want it breaking in a couple of years either. My budget is around £600 but I know the GPU might take most of that - I am open to the idea of doing it in a few chunks so important bits first, less important but still needed later etc.

Thanks for any advice you can give and I'm happy to answer any questions on bits I might have missed out.

Case
GAME MAX FALCON BLACK GAMING CASE (RGB LED)
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i5 Six Core Processor i5-8400 (2.8GHz) 9MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® PRIME B360M-A: Micro-ATX, LGA1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs - RGB Ready
Memory (RAM)
8GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2133MHz (1 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
6GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1060 - DVI, HDMI, 3 x DP - GeForce GTX VR Ready!
1st Storage Drive
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
Power Supply
CORSAIR 550W VS SERIES™ VS-550 POWER SUPPLY
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
PCS FrostFlow 100 Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless Network Card
WIRELESS 802.11N 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
I suppose it depends on how high up the ladder you want to go and what the budget is.

Just to nibble a bit.
Get the proper bios and chipset driver....free.
Don't run unneeded background stuff....free.
Bump the ram to 2x8GB.
Fit in a 256GB ssd for the OS and apps.

Nitpick.....get a cmr hdd.
 
Unless you are really attached to that case, I'd wipe the drive, put a clean Windows 10 unregistered on it and sell the whole thing as is for as much as you can get for it.

Reason I say this is because what you'll spend trying to upgrade and improve and replace everything to get a decent gaming experience is going to leave you with nothing but the case anyway.

I5-8400. 6/6 cpu hard pressed to get 3.7-3.8GHz on any game as most if not all of the cores will see usage, so you'll not get the 4.0GHz max or even close. Has very limited L3 cache. So right out of the gate you are handicapped.

Asus B360M-A. It'll handle 2666MHz dual channel with your cpu, you have a single stick of 8Gb 2133MHz. More handicap. Should really make that 16Gb (2x8Gb) of 2666MHz. That's a good portion of Firefox limitations. The mobo is also going to limit upgrades because of its weak VRM's, cooling and limited bios options, so an 8700k is pretty much of a stretch.

Gtx1060 is roughly the same as a gtx970, pretty comparable to an Rx 480/580 4Gb version. While that was decent in its day, games have evolved since then, so even at 1080p, newer games are going to suffer somewhat. Grabbing a 1080ti or 2060ti or 2070Super etc would be a serious improvement in detail settings and graphics ability. On the used markets, stick with nvidia, stay away from the Radeon cards.

Storage. Hdd is slow, especially on load screens, maps etc. It's killing the playability and enjoyment of the games and U-Play was never well optimized to begin with. You'd see a major playability improvement switching to SSD for save games and clients, even if the game files were stored on the hdd.

PSU. Bottom of the barrel, literally. It's one of Corsair's worst rated psu, barely any better than a CX-M. It was Never intended for a gaming scenario, it was basically purpose built to be an OEM office psu replacement. It's almost a guarantee you'll have power issues if using anything more demanding gpu wise than that 1060.

Cpu cooler. PCS rebrand of the id-cooling SE-214X. It's for all intents and purposes the same thing as a Corsair Hyper212, and not the Evo edition. But is louder and cheaper. It's a $20 budget cooler so not going to fit much more than your current 8400 under it and maintain any semblance of decent temps. Unless you move to a 65w Ryzen etc.


PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor (£163.99 @ Box Limited)
CPU Cooler: Vetroo V5 52 CFM CPU Cooler (£32.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B660M-A D4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (£125.99 @ Box Limited)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (£59.99 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£106.31 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 6600 8 GB MECH 2X Video Card (£319.99 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P300A Mesh ATX Mid Tower Case (£59.99 @ Currys PC World)
Power Supply: Corsair TX550M Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (£59.98 @ Currys PC World Business)
Total: £929.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-07-08 02:06 BST+0100


This should about double playability, higher fps, no lagging with Firefox, much faster all around, higher fps, better detail settings etc.

If you could manage £400ish out of selling your old pc complete and working, you'd have a full new and faster and better pc for roughly £500, which is roughly what you'd be spending to try and get your slow pc to barely make much improvement.

Your current pc isn't necessarily bad, or all that slow, but what you have is being handicapped enough with every component to add upto much slower than it could/should be and that's killing the enjoyment of your gaming.
 
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Solution
Unless you are really attached to that case, I'd wipe the drive, put a clean Windows 10 unregistered on it and sell the whole thing as is for as much as you can get for it.

Reason I say this is because what you'll spend trying to upgrade and improve and replace everything to get a decent gaming experience is going to leave you with nothing but the case anyway.

I5-8400. 6/6 cpu hard pressed to get 3.7-3.8GHz on any game as most if not all of the cores will see usage, so you'll not get the 4.0GHz max or even close. Has very limited L3 cache. So right out of the gate you are handicapped.

Asus B360M-A. It'll handle 2666MHz dual channel with your cpu, you have a single stick of 8Gb 2133MHz. More handicap. Should really make that 16Gb (2x8Gb) of 2666MHz. That's a good portion of Firefox limitations. The mobo is also going to limit upgrades because of its weak VRM's, cooling and limited bios options, so an 8700k is pretty much of a stretch.

Gtx1060 is roughly the same as a gtx970, pretty comparable to an Rx 480/580 4Gb version. While that was decent in its day, games have evolved since then, so even at 1080p, newer games are going to suffer somewhat. Grabbing a 1080ti or 2060ti or 2070Super etc would be a serious improvement in detail settings and graphics ability. On the used markets, stick with nvidia, stay away from the Radeon cards.

Storage. Hdd is slow, especially on load screens, maps etc. It's killing the playability and enjoyment of the games and U-Play was never well optimized to begin with. You'd see a major playability improvement switching to SSD for save games and clients, even if the game files were stored on the hdd.

PSU. Bottom of the barrel, literally. It's one of Corsair's worst rated psu, barely any better than a CX-M. It was Never intended for a gaming scenario, it was basically purpose built to be an OEM office psu replacement. It's almost a guarantee you'll have power issues if using anything more demanding gpu wise than that 1060.

Cpu cooler. PCS rebrand of the id-cooling SE-214X. It's for all intents and purposes the same thing as a Corsair Hyper212, and not the Evo edition. But is louder and cheaper. It's a $20 budget cooler so not going to fit much more than your current 8400 under it and maintain any semblance of decent temps. Unless you move to a 65w Ryzen etc.


PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor (£163.99 @ Box Limited)
CPU Cooler: Vetroo V5 52 CFM CPU Cooler (£32.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B660M-A D4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (£125.99 @ Box Limited)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (£59.99 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£106.31 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 6600 8 GB MECH 2X Video Card (£319.99 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P300A Mesh ATX Mid Tower Case (£59.99 @ Currys PC World)
Power Supply: Corsair TX550M Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (£59.98 @ Currys PC World Business)
Total: £929.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-07-08 02:06 BST+0100


This should about double playability, higher fps, no lagging with Firefox, much faster all around, higher fps, better detail settings etc.

If you could manage £400ish out of selling your old pc complete and working, you'd have a full new and faster and better pc for roughly £500, which is roughly what you'd be spending to try and get your slow pc to barely make much improvement.

Your current pc isn't necessarily bad, or all that slow, but what you have is being handicapped enough with every component to add upto much slower than it could/should be and that's killing the enjoyment of your gaming.
The OP uses WiFi by the looks of it in his original post.
 
Unless you are really attached to that case, I'd wipe the drive, put a clean Windows 10 unregistered on it and sell the whole thing as is for as much as you can get for it.

Reason I say this is because what you'll spend trying to upgrade and improve and replace everything to get a decent gaming experience is going to leave you with nothing but the case anyway.

I5-8400. 6/6 cpu hard pressed to get 3.7-3.8GHz on any game as most if not all of the cores will see usage, so you'll not get the 4.0GHz max or even close. Has very limited L3 cache. So right out of the gate you are handicapped.

Asus B360M-A. It'll handle 2666MHz dual channel with your cpu, you have a single stick of 8Gb 2133MHz. More handicap. Should really make that 16Gb (2x8Gb) of 2666MHz. That's a good portion of Firefox limitations. The mobo is also going to limit upgrades because of its weak VRM's, cooling and limited bios options, so an 8700k is pretty much of a stretch.

Gtx1060 is roughly the same as a gtx970, pretty comparable to an Rx 480/580 4Gb version. While that was decent in its day, games have evolved since then, so even at 1080p, newer games are going to suffer somewhat. Grabbing a 1080ti or 2060ti or 2070Super etc would be a serious improvement in detail settings and graphics ability. On the used markets, stick with nvidia, stay away from the Radeon cards.

Storage. Hdd is slow, especially on load screens, maps etc. It's killing the playability and enjoyment of the games and U-Play was never well optimized to begin with. You'd see a major playability improvement switching to SSD for save games and clients, even if the game files were stored on the hdd.

PSU. Bottom of the barrel, literally. It's one of Corsair's worst rated psu, barely any better than a CX-M. It was Never intended for a gaming scenario, it was basically purpose built to be an OEM office psu replacement. It's almost a guarantee you'll have power issues if using anything more demanding gpu wise than that 1060.

Cpu cooler. PCS rebrand of the id-cooling SE-214X. It's for all intents and purposes the same thing as a Corsair Hyper212, and not the Evo edition. But is louder and cheaper. It's a $20 budget cooler so not going to fit much more than your current 8400 under it and maintain any semblance of decent temps. Unless you move to a 65w Ryzen etc.


PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor (£163.99 @ Box Limited)
CPU Cooler: Vetroo V5 52 CFM CPU Cooler (£32.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B660M-A D4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (£125.99 @ Box Limited)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (£59.99 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£106.31 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 6600 8 GB MECH 2X Video Card (£319.99 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P300A Mesh ATX Mid Tower Case (£59.99 @ Currys PC World)
Power Supply: Corsair TX550M Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (£59.98 @ Currys PC World Business)
Total: £929.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-07-08 02:06 BST+0100


This should about double playability, higher fps, no lagging with Firefox, much faster all around, higher fps, better detail settings etc.

If you could manage £400ish out of selling your old pc complete and working, you'd have a full new and faster and better pc for roughly £500, which is roughly what you'd be spending to try and get your slow pc to barely make much improvement.

Your current pc isn't necessarily bad, or all that slow, but what you have is being handicapped enough with every component to add upto much slower than it could/should be and that's killing the enjoyment of your gaming.

Would you recommend anywhere in particular to try and sell my current set up?