Low performance with 1070 FTW

[Dom_79]

Just bought an EVGA GTX1070 FTW and am having very disapointing results in benchmarks and games. Actually getting very similar result to my EVGA GTX 770 SC with a GTX 650ti SSC doing PhysX and running a second monitor.

So far I have removed my OS SSD, formatted it and clean install of windows 10. Used DDU to remove the automaigally installed Win 10 NVidia drivers and installed 372.90 version drivers (no GEforce Experience or anything, just the video driver and PhysX)

Installed Steam and Fallout 4 - launcher can't detect 10 series GPUs so set everything to ultra except godrays (low) shadow distance (med) shadow detail (high). dips to 30FPS in the same spots as my 770 and can notmaintain 60FPS where my 770 could

Installed Valley (and the C++ libraries to run it) and got nearly identical scores as my 770.
Score: 3200'ish
min FPS: 31 ( GTX770 was 27 with a little OC)
max FPS: 97 (GTX770 was 83 " " )

I'm at a complete loss. CPU usage never goes above 80% on core0 and never above 60% on core2 or 3. I've got plenty of RAM free and it's not slow (2400MHz @CL10), SSD not even showing access during the slouches but still, it's an 850EVO.

My monitors(2) are 1080p 60Hz and they are not set to "surround" mode or anything, just an extended desktop.

Was I expecting too much from this GPU? Have I completely misconfigured my system? I just can't get my head around this today and I could use some help, thank to everyone in advance

Cheers

 

[cilliers]

What is your GTX 1070 utilization, core clock frequency and temperature during said benchmarks?

You are observing rather typical benchmark results:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/4pdlah/these_are_my_1070_valley_and_heaven_results_what/
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/4p8lia/post_results_of_your_1070_heaven_benchmark_score/

Fallout 4 is ram speed bound, more than you think. I OC'ed my DDR3 2133 mhz RAM to 3000 mhz and gained 7 fps at the Corvega Car Plant in the same view angle. That Corvega Car Factory scene is pretty intense and widely documented and there are other such scenes too...

 

[Dom_79]

What is your GTX 1070 utilization, core clock frequency and temperature during said benchmarks?

You are observing rather typical benchmark results:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/4pdlah/these_are_my_1070_valley_and_heaven_results_what/
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/4p8lia/post_results_of_your_1070_heaven_benchmark_score/

Fallout 4 is ram speed bound, more than you think. I OC'ed my DDR3 2133 mhz RAM to 3000 mhz and gained 7 fps at the Corvega Car Plant in the same view angle. That Corvega Car Factory scene is pretty intense and widely documented and there are other such scenes too...

I will have to keep something like GPUz open and check core utilisation. Clocks are 2050 core and 8008 memory, temps are 65-68C the fans don't spin faster than 700RPM.

I understand many people think FO4 is RAM bound. I went from 1600MHz CL9 to 2400MHz CL10 and I got a couple FPS added to my minimum in the worst places. Never had any problem at all with the corvega plant or diamond city/downtown Boston. I have problems at my settlements i.e. the one I was "testing" at was the Boston Airport. My 770 can maintain 40FPS minimum and hit 60 often but my 1070 struggles to keep 38 and can't go higher than 50.

If it does turn out that my GPU is not being utilized, any tips on increasing the usage?

 

[cilliers]

You can monitor resources in-game with MSI afterburner overlay. Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeUSkaZ4_t0
I don't know how tech savvy you are with understanding the nVidia control panel, but you may want to compare current settings to 770 settings. E.g. Is ambient occlusion enabled/disabled. V-sync mode (on/off/adaptive), Antialiasing samples, anisotropic samples, etc. If you are controlling these settings via the Fallout 4 control panel, then you should set them on "enhance application" or "application controlled" inside the nVidia control panel.

 

[Dom_79]

You can monitor resources in-game with MSI afterburner overlay. Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeUSkaZ4_t0
I don't know how tech savvy you are with understanding the nVidia control panel, but you may want to compare current settings to 770 settings. E.g. Is ambient occlusion enabled/disabled. V-sync mode (on/off/adaptive), Antialiasing samples, anisotropic samples, etc. If you are controlling these settings via the Fallout 4 control panel, then you should set them on "enhance application" or "application controlled" inside the nVidia control panel.

Thank you for the link ;-) I'll just use GPUz or NVidia Inspector or EVGA PrecisionX, MSI is a good company but they use Riva-Tuner just like the rest so it's really just a matter of "skin" preference.

I'd like to think I'm kinda' tech savvy :lol:

I've been through NVidia Control Panel to adjust settings (you have to every time you install drivers from scratch 😉 )
I have setup almost all options to "Use the 3D Application Setting" except for a couple places like "Prefer Maximum Performance" in the power options tab. Tried controlling V-sync from FO4 (and Valley) and from NV Control Panel... they both seem to limit the FPS to 60 as expected but no change to maximum/minimum FPS.. except when V-sync is off everywhere but then that's just the max FPS 😉

 

[cilliers]

I don't know then. You are supposed to max out on 60 fps almost all the time with v-sync on @ 60hz on 1080p.
Ref: http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-review,19.html

You still haven't posted GPU resource utilization so its difficult for me to help right now.

 

[Dom_79]

I don't know then. You are supposed to max out on 60 fps almost all the time with v-sync on @ 60hz on 1080p.
Ref: http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-review,19.html

You still haven't posted GPU resource utilization so its difficult for me to help right now.

I'll check it shortly, doing a few things at the momment.

What would you suggest if the GPU is not being well utilized?

 

[Dom_79]

Well just ran my little "test area" at the Boston Airport in Fallout 4 and... Maximum 55% GPU load. And 38 FPS... 🙁

There was a "perfCap Reason" of VRel... the time it appeared on the chart didn't coincide with anything so I'm guessing it's just reporting that the Boost 3.0 couldn't hit a higher OC without more voltage.

Core clocked up to 1987MHz (thank you TurboBoost 3.0! )

Mem clock didn't move, max mem used was 2815MB

Temps "maxed out" at 65C after +/- 5 minutes

 

[cilliers]

I think its worth your while checking that the temps, core frequencies, ram frequencies, boost and fan speeds are in check.
If those check out then something else is obviously wrong and you'll have to do some more digging

 

[cilliers]

Try:

Go to documents->my games->fallout 4->open Fallout4Prefs.ini

Find iPresentInterval=1 line and change it to iPresentInterval=0

Also, lock fps in nvidia setting to 60fps max.

 

[Dom_79]

I think its worth your while checking that the temps, core frequencies, ram frequencies, boost and fan speeds are in check.
If those check out then something else is obviously wrong and you'll have to do some more digging

Are you talking about CPU? Because they are fine. I posted in my original message about CPU core usage and RAM usage. RAM frequencies? I had to set the frequencies and timings myself in BIOS so I'm pretty sure it's still 2400MHz @ 10-12-12-31. CPU-Z reports the timing as still being what I set.

CPU doesn't go above 70C (15-4670K OC to 4.2 with an H100i) doing extended stress testing (Prime 95 small FFTs for 24 hours)

If talking about GPU then according to GPUZ all is as I listed. No dips in frequencies of core or VRAM, max temp was 65C with the fans barely spinning, I don't like "Boost Clock" being listed separately so it's just 1987MHz on the core.

 

[Dom_79]

Try:

Go to documents->my games->fallout 4->open Fallout4Prefs.ini

Find iPresentInterval=1 line and change it to iPresentInterval=0

Also, lock fps in nvidia setting to 60fps max.

Didn't bother locking the FPS to 60 but I removed the V-Sync option from the Fallout4Prefs.ini

I got my GPU load up to 99%... in the loading screen. Now in the same game area (Boston Airport) I can't get above 48% and still same low 32-38FPS. CPU usage was able to bump all the way up to 87%! But I think some of the monitoring software that were open could have helped that.

I'll try setting V-Sync to "Off" in NV Control Panel as well...

 

[Dom_79]

Was able to get 99% GPU utilization in Valley, scores are much more on par with what others are reporting (gained 10 FPS to the minimum AND turned up the detail setting to "ExtremeHD" from "Extreme"

Looks like this is going to be a Fallout 4 related issue. I will try to run something like AIDA64 (to monitor) and memtest or something to make sure there is no issue with my RAM.

Thanks for the help cilliers!

 

[cilliers]

I remember having to tweak Fallout 4 somewhat to get it just right on my GTX 970. FOV, mouse input lag, Vertical and Horizontal Mouse Movement Difference, the v-sync issue, etc. Some of these problems are just idiotic for a final public released version. Anyways. This is the tutorial that solved the Fallout 4 problems for me.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=551069501&tscn=1447077828

The game was pretty much unplayable out-of-the-box. Thanks very much Bethesda.