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If I have two Loxodon Warhammer's equipped to a creature is my 'life
gaining" triggered twice?

I think not, because the warhammer's ability is in quotes, thus giving the
creature a static ability, like flying, trample, etc....

Loxodon Warhammer
Color= Artifact Type= Artifact - Equipment Cost= 3 MR(U)
Text (MR): Equipped creature gets +3/+0, has trample, and has "Whenever this
creature deals damage, you gain that much life." ; Equip {3}.

Jonathan
I much prefer spell battles to mechanized ones.
Of course, if one wants to win, one employs both.
~ Barrin Master Wizard
 
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Jonathan Fourie, worshipped by llamas the world over, wrote...
> If I have two Loxodon Warhammer's equipped to a creature is my 'life
> gaining" triggered twice?

Yes.

> I think not, because the warhammer's ability is in quotes, thus giving the
> creature a static ability, like flying, trample, etc....

First of all, it's not a static ability, it's a triggered ability - you
can tell by the fact that it starts with "At", "When" or "Whenever".

Secondly, I don't see how the ability being in quotes would be thought
to affect the answer. Yes, that means each Warhammer gives the creature
the ability in quotes - seperately. The creature ends up with two
instances of the ability, both of which will trigger whenever the
condition is met.

Not all keyword abilities are redundant, by the way. For example, two
instances of Flanking trigger seperately. A creature can have more than
one instance of flying or trample too, but in those cases it doesn't
make any difference.

> Loxodon Warhammer
> Color= Artifact Type= Artifact - Equipment Cost= 3 MR(U)
> Text (MR): Equipped creature gets +3/+0, has trample, and has "Whenever this
> creature deals damage, you gain that much life." ; Equip {3}.
>
> Jonathan
> I much prefer spell battles to mechanized ones.
> Of course, if one wants to win, one employs both.
> ~ Barrin Master Wizard
>
>
>

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Jonathan Fourie wrote:

> If I have two Loxodon Warhammer's equipped to a creature is my 'life
> gaining" triggered twice?
>
> I think not, because the warhammer's ability is in quotes, thus giving the
> creature a static ability, like flying, trample, etc....

No, the equipment's ability is a static ability, but the life-gain
ability that that static ability gives to the creature is *not* a
static ability; it's a triggered ability (although the other two
abilities it gives the creature are static). It starts with "Whenever".
And if the creature is equipped by two Warhammers, then the creature
has that ability twice and they *both* trigger when the creature deals
damage. You get the damage the creature inflicted in life, times two.

And, incidentally, just because an ability is static doesn't mean
it's not cumulative. The "gets +3/0" ability is static, but your
creature with the two Warhammers still gets +6/+0.
>
> Loxodon Warhammer
> Color= Artifact Type= Artifact - Equipment Cost= 3 MR(U)
> Text (MR): Equipped creature gets +3/+0, has trample, and has "Whenever
> this creature deals damage, you gain that much life." ; Equip {3}.
>

--
Christopher Mattern

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"The ugly one, sir."
"...Could you be more specific?"
 
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On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:39:51 +0200, "Jonathan Fourie"
<jonathan@jonathan.za.net> wrote:

>If I have two Loxodon Warhammer's equipped to a creature is my 'life
>gaining" triggered twice?
>
>I think not, because the warhammer's ability is in quotes, thus giving the
>creature a static ability, like flying, trample, etc....

But if you play Jump twice on a creature, then it will have flying
twice. It really won't matter though since there is no such thing as
"more flying", and the rules specify that if something says "target
creature looses flying", then it will loose all its instances of
flying.

>Loxodon Warhammer
>Color= Artifact Type= Artifact - Equipment Cost= 3 MR(U)
>Text (MR): Equipped creature gets +3/+0, has trample, and has "Whenever this
>creature deals damage, you gain that much life." ; Equip {3}.

Examplificus
{7}
Creature -- Tester
5/7
Whenever this creature deals damage, do A.
Whenever this creature deals damage, do B.

When Examplificus from above deals damage, you do A and B - this
should be clear.
But what if A and B is the same action? Well, then you still do A
_and_ B...

In other words; with two Loxodon Warhammers equipped you _do_ gain
health two times.

--
Regards
Simon Nejmann
 
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Jonathan Fourie <jonathan@jonathan.za.net> wrote:
>If I have two Loxodon Warhammer's equipped to a creature is my 'life
>gaining" triggered twice?

Yes.

>I think not, because the warhammer's ability is in quotes, thus giving the
>creature a static ability, like flying, trample, etc....

Yes, so? It's a triggered ability; if the creature has two instances of
the triggered ability, both will trigger and go on the stack. Like rampage,
flanking, cumulative upkeep, etc....

Having Flying twice doesn't say anything more than having it once; flying is,
literally, "can't be blocked except by creatures with flying". Having Trample
twice also doesn't give you anything new, because Trample just tells you how
you can divide the combat damage onto defending player, even if blocked, under
certain circumstances. Protection from black also doesn't mean anything more
twice than it does once - none of its four qualities do "better" when applied
twice. But proBlack and proBlue together on the same creature does more than
either one separately.

You have to look at the ability, to see whether multiples of it "accumulate"...
and triggered abilities will trigger once for each _instance of_ the ability
per trigger event that occurs.

>Loxodon Warhammer
> Equipped creature gets +3/+0, has trample, and has "Whenever this
> creature deals damage, you gain that much life." ; Equip {3}.

Dave
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Thank you all for your Replies.
Jonathan.
"What, you like cricket too"
~ A Goblin


"Jonathan Fourie" <jonathan@jonathan.za.net> wrote in message
news:cfn404$bkd$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
> If I have two Loxodon Warhammer's equipped to a creature is my 'life
> gaining" triggered twice?
>
> I think not, because the warhammer's ability is in quotes, thus giving the
> creature a static ability, like flying, trample, etc....
>
> Loxodon Warhammer
> Color= Artifact Type= Artifact - Equipment Cost= 3 MR(U)
> Text (MR): Equipped creature gets +3/+0, has trample, and has "Whenever
this
> creature deals damage, you gain that much life." ; Equip {3}.
>
> Jonathan
> I much prefer spell battles to mechanized ones.
> Of course, if one wants to win, one employs both.
> ~ Barrin Master Wizard
>
>
 
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"Jonathan Fourie" <jonathan@jonathan.za.net> writes:

> If I have two Loxodon Warhammer's equipped to a creature is my 'life
> gaining" triggered twice?

Yes.

> I think not, because the warhammer's ability is in quotes, thus giving the
> creature a static ability, like flying, trample, etc....

Those abilities are static, as is Warhammer's. However, the ability granted
*by* the Warhammer's ability is triggered. Each is a seperate ability, and
thus each triggers once each time the trigger event occurs, for a total of
two. Hence, you will gain twice the life.
--
Lee Sharpe, lee.sharpe@gmail.com
DCI Level 2 Judge
 
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Jonathan Fourie sez:

<<
>If I have two Loxodon Warhammer's equipped to a creature is my 'life
gaining" triggered twice?
>
>>

Yes, because it has "Whenever this creature deals damage, you gain that much
life" twice. It also has trample twice, but the rules of trample make that
redundant.

<<
>I think not, because the warhammer's ability is in quotes, thus giving the
>creature a static ability, like flying, trample, etc....

>>

But the rules of flying, trample, etc., state that multiple instances are
redundant. And the life-gain ability isn't redundant.


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Jonathan Fourie wrote:
> If I have two Loxodon Warhammer's equipped to a creature is my 'life
> gaining" triggered twice?
>
> I think not, because the warhammer's ability is in quotes, thus giving the
> creature a static ability, like flying, trample, etc....

It does trigger twice, since the creature has the ability twice.

> Loxodon Warhammer
> Color= Artifact Type= Artifact - Equipment Cost= 3 MR(U)
> Text (MR): Equipped creature gets +3/+0, has trample, and has "Whenever this
> creature deals damage, you gain that much life." ; Equip {3}.
>
> Jonathan
> I much prefer spell battles to mechanized ones.
> Of course, if one wants to win, one employs both.
> ~ Barrin Master Wizard
>
>
 
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