News Lunar Lake allegedly smokes Z1 Extreme handheld gaming champ in early gaming benchmarks

[Admin]

Lunar Lake was benchmarked against AMD's Z1 Extreme, Ryzen AI 9 HX 370, and Core Ultra 7 185H, featuring extremely competitive gaming performance at ultra-low power levels.

Lunar Lake allegedly smokes Z1 Extreme handheld gaming champ in early gaming benchmarks : Read more

 

[Notton]

Lunar Lake is more promising, but I won't forget the misleading and non-repeatable performance in the MSI claw's early benchmarks.

 

[thestryker]

This makes me really curious about the handheld performance. While the Z1 Extreme/7840/8840 are better than the Steam Deck when used in higher TDP they can't compete at lower. If LNL can perform like those but at 15W or less instead of 25W+ that would be fantastic for the power limited market.

 

[Bikki]

Xe2 is very good. But chasing AI war Intel actually use larger die for the NPU than GPU on Lunar lake. By doing so they give AMD a chance to compete when it should be a bloodbath.

Edit: die shot shows size of xe2 cores compare to NPU.

 

[d0x360]

Smokes a 2 year old chip... Go intel

 

[thestryker]

Xe2 is very good. But chasing AI war Intel actually use larger die for the NPU than GPU on Lunar lake. By doing so they give AMD a chance to compete when it should be a bloodbath.

The two annotated pictures I've seen indicate the NPU is around half the size of the GPU, but your point about being able to use a much larger GPU still stands.

 

[Bikki]

The two annotated pictures I've seen indicate the NPU is around half the size of the GPU, but your point about being able to use a much larger GPU still stands

Ye I wish they prioritize it a bit more. I did a double check, the size of xe cores (not including cache and media engine) is roughly the size of NPU. AMD strix 370's GPU on the other hand is quite a bit larger than their NPU counter part.

 

[oofdragon]

Smokes a 2 year old chip... Go intel

Lol.. exactly this. And where are the Xe2 handhelds? Didn't hear about any upcoming Intel handheld/console, AMD Z1 sucessor on the other hand......

Intel has been losing years now to AMD even on the CPU front, they won't catch RDNA ever at this pace. What will Intel have to face Strix Halo for example? Yep

 

[Notton]

Smokes a 2 year old chip... Go intel

Did you watch the video?
It's smoking the AI 9 HX 370
I wouldn't say <30fps average and <15fps 1% lows is a playable frame rate in the games tested, but HX 370 is getting handily beaten.

Lol.. exactly this. And where are the Xe2 handhelds? Didn't hear about any upcoming Intel handheld/console, AMD Z1 sucessor on the other hand......

MSI Claw 2 for starters
I'm sure ayaneo and GPD will have some handhelds coming, they usually do.

 

[rluker5]

This makes me really curious about the handheld performance. While the Z1 Extreme/7840/8840 are better than the Steam Deck when used in higher TDP they can't compete at lower. If LNL can perform like those but at 15W or less instead of 25W+ that would be fantastic for the power limited market.

I think it would be great in a form factor like the old Dell Venue 11 pro. A tablet with a detachable keyboard that's small enough to take on vacation or toss in your glove box. It could have it's performance cut back somewhat so long as it worked in that form factor. That you could do some K+M gaming or connect a controller, when you wanted, but didn't have to carry it around like that all of the time. Sometimes it is also nice to read. 15w is pretty versatile nowadays in terms of form factor.

 

[Pierce2623]

Xe2 is very good. But chasing AI war Intel actually use larger die for the NPU than GPU on Lunar lake. By doing so they give AMD a chance to compete when it should be a bloodbath.

Edit: die shot shows size of xe2 cores compare to NPU.

A bloodbath? They have a node advantage that accounts for a larger advantage than they actually have. If anything, they did a worse job than I was hoping for and they completely sacrificed any semblance of multithreaded performance along the way, too. Also if you change the test composition to also include random 5 year old games, Intel’s “advantage” completely disappears.

 

[TheHerald]

A bloodbath? They have a node advantage that accounts for a larger advantage than they actually have. If anything, they did a worse job than I was hoping for and they completely sacrificed any semblance of multithreaded performance along the way, too. Also if you change the test composition to also include random 5 year old games, Intel’s “advantage” completely disappears.

Stop coping man. The test was done on random old games, rde2 is from 2018, cyberpunk is from 2020, genshin is from 2020. Still a bloodbath.

 

[Mama Changa]

The two annotated pictures I've seen indicate the NPU is around half the size of the GPU, but your point about being able to use a much larger GPU still stands.

Well wait for Panther Lake, more P and E cores, Xe3 Celestial iGPU and targeting H class rather than U class. Will be a beast I'm sure.

 

[watzupken]

To be honest, I think Ryzen Z1 Extreme handheld PCs are probably the best in value. I don't think the likes of the latest Ryzen or Intel ultra low powered APUs are cheap. You just have to look at the prices of these new "AI PCs" to get a sense. Lunar Lake CPUs are good, but again, they are unlikely to be competitively priced since they are paying a lot more for cutting edge TSMC 3nm.

 

[holybytes]

Lol.. exactly this. And where are the Xe2 handhelds? Didn't hear about any upcoming Intel handheld/console, AMD Z1 sucessor on the other hand......

Intel has been losing years now to AMD even on the CPU front, they won't catch RDNA ever at this pace. What will Intel have to face Strix Halo for example? Yep

Amd is losing marketshare for their gpus as Intel Arc makes gains and Battlemage will be on par with anything Amd has. The Amd 8000 series gpus won't even come close to the performance of a 7900 XTX.

Arc Battlemage Flagship will surpass Radeon in both RT and Compute, doing so in only a second generation Gpu. This is possible because Amd Gpus are mediocre at best and will never be innovative. Amd just copies Nvidia poorly and drops the price a little bit and expects to gain marketshare that way.

Amd may eventually stop making discrete gpus and stick with their non-upgradble Apu offerings. However even in this area Amd is getting spanked my Intels Lunar Lake.

Its all downhill for Amd from here.

 

[Pierce2623]

Stop coping man. The test was done on random old games, rde2 is from 2018, cyberpunk is from 2020, genshin is from 2020. Still a bloodbath.

So all big name AAA releases is what you call “random 5 year old games”? What happens if somebody wants to play Dark Souls 2 on Intel? I’ll tell you. They struggle to get 40fps at 720p in a game where where the 2022 Radeon 780m gets1080p/60fps at 65% utilization. To be fair that’s on my Meteor Lake laptop but the drivers are the same. TONS of older games are broken on Intel graphics and some won’t even run.