Lynnfield to Ivy/Sandy or to Haswell???

[CDReckless]

This question might be a bit early since the Haswell is so new, but I'm in a little bit of a rush to build a new system (ie, 1-2 months). This computer is primarily for gaming and I will OC it.

But I've got an older i7-860 Lynnfield and was waiting until the new Haswell came out to do a completely new build. But with it's recent arrival, there doesn't seem to be many good reviews.

My concern is that I'm not sure if the reviews are mediocre based upon someone that is used to an Ivy or SB chip or if are they accurate enough where the Haswell doesn't even live UP to the Ivy or SB chip.

And even if the Haswell is "slightly" faster/slower than the Ivy and SB, I'm concerned that the LGA1155 chip set is "dead". Would it still make sense to jump to a 1150 since that's the new thing (or is that wishful thinking)?

I guess I want to get everyone's opinion on whether it would be smarter to go with the tried and true Ivy/SB chip (say a 3770k) but with a dying socket OR would it be better to go with the newer (but flawed) CPU but with the new 1150 for any future upgrade?

 

[RetiredChief]

CPU Performance increase going from SB->IB-> Haswell are small and for games not that significant.
Look at MB features. IE going from say a SB platform to a IB platform gives you More native Sata III ports and gives you a native USB3 support along with some other upgrades. These are further improved with Haswell.

I'd recommend at least going with the IB platform, Myself I going frm 5-750 to Haswell, not so much for CPU as for the MB features.

 

[jaguarskx]

Games do not make use of Hyper Threading so there is no real point in buying a Core i7 CPU. A Core i5 CPU will suffice. Haswell is not a "flawed" CPU. There was no hype from Intel about increased CPU performance only wishful think from people waiting for Intel's latest and greatest.

Overall, I believe Haswell is 4% faster than Ivy Bridge. Therefore, you should let price be the determining factor. If an socket 1155 CPU/Mobo combo costs more than 4% less than a socket 1150 CPU/Mobo, then go with Ivy Bridge especially if it is significantly less.

If you are worried about upgrading the CPU w/o changing the motherboard, then Haswell is the way to go since socket 1155 is dead. However, there are rumors that Broadwell (coming in 2014) may not be compatible with socket 1150. The rumors are that beginning with Broadwell, Intel will no longer manufacture socketed CPUs. Instead all future CPUs will be BGA (ball grid array) which basically means the CPU is to be imbeded into the motherboard and you must buy the CPU and motherboard as a single unit. At least according to the rumors.

Intel will be releasing Skylake in 2015. Regardless if Intel is doing away with socketed CPUs or not Skylake will not be compatible with socket 1150 motherboards.

 

[8350rocks]

Ivy Bridge will do nearly anything you need, haswell won't do anything they won't already do.

You would spend much more money on 4% improvement as a global average. If you're a gamer, that number falls to about 1% in games.

Haswell also uses less power at idle...but about 10% more under any load vs. a comparably loaded IB CPU.

Rumor is Broadwell will be BGA only...(no socket)...so there is some likelihood that haswell will be the only socket 1150 CPU line, and skylake will offer a completely new socket in 2 years (if it is socketed at all).

Haswell has USB 3.0 issues and bugs that have not necessarily been remedied yet.

You could also consider AMD, which has steamroller coming for AM3+ which is their current socket now.

EDIT: SCOOPED! @jaguarskx LOL!!! You beat me to it!

 

[jaguarskx]

Intel has confirmed a fix for Haswell's USB 3.0 issue.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Haswell-S3-Sleep-Problem-PCN,21896.html

 

[CDReckless]

This is EXACTLY the info that I was looking for. I didn't realize that the Broadwell was going BGA, so that makes a big diff. And if the performance gain bw IV and Haswell is truly that minimal, then it might make sense to go IB instead.

I like your idea, Jag, about just doing cost comparison b/w the two. If the price comparison is similar b/w the two, then it's really about performance vs upgrade ability.

But Chief makes a good point about the Mobo.

Aaah! Too many variables.

 

[8350rocks]

Intel has confirmed a fix for Haswell's USB 3.0 issue.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Haswell-S3-Sleep-Problem-PCN,21896.html

Guess that means there's only 3 strikes against haswell, rather than 4.

 

[jaguarskx]

This is EXACTLY the info that I was looking for. I didn't realize that the Broadwell was going BGA, so that makes a big diff.

It's just a rumor at this point. Most likely it will not be confirmed or denied until next year.

 

[CDReckless]

Ok, tx. That's still good info to have. I'm gonna continue to scoure the web and see what's what and see if anybody has any other opinions to offer. But tx for those that have replied so quickly!!

 

[RetiredChief]

Just picked 2 Asrock MBs (similar Z77 Vs Z78 Both Extreme 4 Mid priced)
………………………. Z77 …………………………….. Z78
Sata III ports …. 2 Intel + 2 3rd party ……… 8 Intel ports
PCI-e 3.0 … 2 ( X16/0 or 8x/8x)………………. 3
HDMI in ……… No ……………………………………. Yes
Audio chipset
Lan Chipset
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[HardwareGTX]

I don't really think there is any need, Save your money. Your i7 lynnfield is very close too/ if not on par with a haswell i5, And not to mention you can always install a Hyper 212 and OC, I am still using a old Lynnfield i5 750 with just a little 650Ti , And the i5 750 is just 4 cores and 4 threads with no hyper threading, So your i7 with hyper threading has better performance than my i5, And my i5 can play any game out today, So you should have absolutely no problem, The performance increase from Lynnfield to Haswell is still not a significantly high enough performance increase. Although the system requirements of some games may say you can't run them, (Example: Metal Gear Rising Revengeance) This game's system requirements claim you need at'least a Core i5-2400 Sandy Bridge, But I own this game and it plays very smooth on my i5 750, I think they just label system specs like this because they are asked too for marketing, Or it could be to cover their rears when they put out badly coded games, Or both. Later on I would like to find a Lynnfield i7 1156 cpu to replace my i5 750 chip, This will be much cheaper for me instead of paying the money for a new Ivy or Haswell, Because I would have to buy a new motherboard too, And I hate to go back to a cheaper board again after having the one I got now, However it would be nice to have the PCIe 3.0 like Ivy and Hasswell have, So I guess it depends on finding a used low price lynnfield i7 chip or a ivy/hasswell combo board with the i5 chip included. But for now it is pointless,

 

[vmN]

I don't really think there is any need, Save your money. Your i7 lynnfield is very close too/ if not on par with a haswell i5, And not to mention you can always install a Hyper 212 and OC, I am still using a old Lynnfield i5 750 with just a little 650Ti , And the i5 750 is just 4 cores and 4 threads with no hyper threading, So your i7 with hyper threading has better performance than my i5, And my i5 can play any game out today, So you should have absolutely no problem, The performance increase from Lynnfield to Haswell is still not a significantly high enough performance increase. Although the system requirements of some games may say you can't run them, (Example: Metal Gear Rising Revengeance) This game's system requirements claim you need at'least a Core i5-2400 Sandy Bridge, But I own this game and it plays very smooth on my i5 750, I think they just label system specs like this because they are asked too for marketing, Or it could be to cover their rears when they put out badly coded games, Or both. Later on I would like to find a Lynnfield i7 1156 cpu to replace my i5 750 chip, This will be much cheaper for me instead of paying the money for a new Ivy or Haswell, Because I would have to buy a new motherboard too, And I hate to go back to a cheaper board again after having the one I got now, However it would be nice to have the PCIe 3.0 like Ivy and Hasswell have, So I guess it depends on finding a used low price lynnfield i7 chip or a ivy/hasswell combo board with the i5 chip included. But for now it is pointless,

wtf did you bump this old thread?

 

[WhiteSnake91]

I was actually going to comment in then saw how old the thread was and say all the OP had to do was overclock his current i7 and probably get a better GPU and would be fine...even the old intel chips have better IPC than the newer AMD. I've scoured the web and the old i7 920 people have said year after year that they WANTED to upgrade, but nothing for years has been worth it, so they ended up getting lots of SSD's or high end gpu like gtx 780 lol. The i7 920 guy ended up getting some 1366 six core xeon just for the hell of it.

so in short if anybody is considering the jump, eh I'd just overclock your current cpu, it still keeps up with current stuff.