Mac Pro No Longer Available to Buy Online in Europe

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halcyon

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I had a 2010 6-core Xeon 3.3Ghz MacPro and it was an excellent machine. There was nothing I fed it that it couldn't dine on well. I used it to run virtualization network simulations and edit audio and video (sometimes doing both simultaneously). The machine was a beast. ...but was under utilized and was, therefore, sold for what is in my opinion lesser gear (a Dell, an Asus, and a AMD home-brew). Don't laugh, a wife and kids can do that to you. If you've ever used the current generation Mac Pro you know these are very very capable machines and very professionally executed with extremely clean layouts (is there anything cleaner?). Expensive? To some.

OS X was just the icing on the cake (heck, I'm still trying to find the Windows equivalent to Peak).
The thing that is so funny to me is that OS X and Parallels does virtualization so much smoother than Windows 7/8 and VMWare. Never once did I curse OS X for being buggy and laggy. ...yet I do just that regularly with Windows 8.

Anywho, the Mac Pro is a good machine. Overpriced? Well some say a Burson Audio HA-160D paired with Senn HD650's with Cardas upgrades are overpriced...others say its worth every penny.

I'm the former owner of said Mac Pro and 2 MacBook Pros. Not the cheapest machines for sure but excellently executed. I now own no Apple gear and I wish I could say said computers were not missed. Though I have what should be nice machines in a '12 Dell XPS 15 (MacBook Pro WannaBe) and a Asus G75VW (poor man's gaming rig) they're just not the same. The build quality isn't as high and the engineering is just not as well thought out...and Windows (as utilitarian as it is)...Windows is just no OS X. That Unix foundation apparently is quite strong (if you don't want to give Apple any credit). OS X is SOLID...more so, for sure, than Windows 8 could ever hope to be.

But yes, you have to pay to play and said machines were not economical (weren't meant to be either)...I miss them.

Be a little kinder.
 
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[citation][nom]halcyon[/nom]Windows is just no OS X. That Unix foundation apparently is quite strong (if you don't want to give Apple any credit). OS X is SOLID...more so, for sure, than Windows 8 could ever hope to be.But yes, you have to pay to play and said machines were not economical (weren't meant to be either)...I miss them.Be a little kinder.[/citation]

Hmm I see buggy OSX machines nearly every week, I repair them, along with Windows machines, I see just as much go wrong with an Apple as a windows Machine, I have less Apple Customers, but the percentage of problems is the same as windows, Apple is not infallible, neither are they crap, they are what they are..

Highly engineered pricey computers that tend to work really well, but fail at times like all Computers, Unix OSX and Windows ( Mind you I rarely come across a Linux PC that needed repairing, says a lot about the few users)
 

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[citation][nom]derekullo[/nom]Europe can no longer afford to buy Macs[/citation]
US can still afford to dive in deeper and deeper in dept.
I wish a lot of success to your kids, they the ones who will be paying for you stupidity.
It may even get to the point that money will not be enough and lives will be taken - on both sides and every other side. Future is bright, NOT.
God bless stupidity.
 

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[citation][nom]abbadon_34[/nom]MS goes to great lengths to satisfy the EU BS, Apple just quits. Not sure which it better. Just that the EU BS is well, BS.[/citation]
The EU tries to protect its citizens from corporations. In the US, corporations have a lot more freedom to do whatever they want; if things go wrong or customer rights are abused, it's usually up to customers to sue either individually or join a class action lawsuit.

Put simply, the EU screws corporations and the US screws citizens.

Whichever regulatory approach is the better one, is up for discussion.
 

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I think to not have a minor refresh of the case to comply and continue to sell units to those that need them is an insult to customers
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Placement of fanguards? So Apple wants to continue to be able to sell a machine in whatever markets allow it to have fingers chopped if you are "holding it wrong"
 

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[citation][nom]anononon[/nom]aww you mean the can no longer buy a super overpriced machine with 3yr old tech in it? whatever will we do?![/citation]
some retarded iship buy mac pro and running windows on it while they can build a hardcore pc with 3 monitors with that price
 

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[citation][nom]sonofliberty08[/nom]some retarded iship buy mac pro and running windows on it while they can build a hardcore pc with 3 monitors with that price[/citation]
You can't run Peak on Windows and there simply isn't any economical worthy Windows equivalents. WavePad? Audacity? They're jokes compared. Yes, you can easily run Windows on a Mac but the reverse is not true. Yes you can easily run Linux on a Mac...but the reverse is not true.

So why would one build a Windows machine if they even occasionally wanted to run OS X on it. Oh yes, because they're masochists or just have too much time on their hands...or their time is not money, etc., etc. I no longer have Macs because they're not needed. ...but I can still appreciate uses for them, that's all I'm saying. I'm sorry, I just don't fit in the "Everything Apple does stinx" clique, that just seems childish.
 

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[citation][nom]halcyon[/nom]You can't run Peak on Windows and there simply isn't any economical worthy Windows equivalents. WavePad? Audacity? They're jokes compared. Yes, you can easily run Windows on a Mac but the reverse is not true. Yes you can easily run Linux on a Mac...but the reverse is not true. So why would one build a Windows machine if they even occasionally wanted to run OS X on it. Oh yes, because they're masochists or just have too much time on their hands...or their time is not money, etc., etc. I no longer have Macs because they're not needed. ...but I can still appreciate uses for them, that's all I'm saying. I'm sorry, I just don't fit in the "Everything Apple does stinx" clique, that just seems childish.[/citation]
1) Setting up a Hackintosh has never been easier than it is now.
2) You can't run OSX on "a Linux." There's no such thing as "a Linux," it's an OS, not a computer.

Of course I have to agree with you. Not everything Apple does it bad, but they shoot themselves in the foot with most products they release by making the consumer pay out the ass for their products.


 

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Easier is not quite the same thing as easy. I know a Hackintosh can be thrown together but cross polinating OS X onto your generic homebuilt is still not the funnest of activities (in my book) and OS updates and upgrades will always be hit or miss. To save a couple of bucks. I guess. If you're a masochist, desiring a consistent challenge, or are a hacker-type-hobbyist than that route may be for you. I no longer have that kind of patience but I appreciate and respect those that do.
 

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[citation][nom]halcyon[/nom]You can't run Peak on Windows and there simply isn't any economical worthy Windows equivalents. WavePad? Audacity? They're jokes compared. Yes, you can easily run Windows on a Mac but the reverse is not true. Yes you can easily run Linux on a Mac...but the reverse is not true. So why would one build a Windows machine if they even occasionally wanted to run OS X on it. Oh yes, because they're masochists or just have too much time on their hands...or their time is not money, etc., etc. I no longer have Macs because they're not needed. ...but I can still appreciate uses for them, that's all I'm saying. I'm sorry, I just don't fit in the "Everything Apple does stinx" clique, that just seems childish.[/citation]

Childish? That depends really. I oppose Apple on Ethical grounds. I oppose the pattern or "message" Apple Corporation is spreading. That message is rather simple to discern. Apple wishes to have absolute control over the hardware/software it sells. That may seem fine until you consider that Apple wishes to retain control even after they've sold it to you and an exchange of money has taken place.

Apple is also encouraging a social movement of brain-dead-know-nothings who cannot resolve problems on their own and must instead always seek help from a Central body (Apple Corp). Can't change your battery, come to the Apple store. Can't perform low level system tests and diagnostics, come to the Apple store. They don't allow you to do any of that on your own even if you can/could.

This may sound fine and dandy to many but when people do not face problems and seek out resolutions on their own they do not learn to effectively problem solve. This lack of Logical Deduction capabilities rears its ugly head when it comes to Socio-Economic issues.

Someone uses a gun to kill someone, the brain-dead-apple-fan is more apt to call for "Gun Control". The brain-dead-apple-fan won't listen to reason or evidence to the contrary. To the Apple fan, you should always listen to the "experts" (The State, Media and anyone higher up on the hierarchical chain like Celebrities for instance).

They don't get around to looking at U.K. crime statistics where a ban on guns has reduced violent crimes with firearms (though they still occur even with a ban) but simply shifted the violent criminals into using differing objects/weapons.

We going to ban Bats, Knives, Pencils, Pens, Paper, Water (you can drown someone with that stuff) as well?

Yes... the Apple mind-set shows itself in everyday life. It is a variant of Central Control over what a "user" (or citizen) can and cannot do with the Apple product. Even if their products are "decent" or even if they're "excellent" I still wouldn't touch an Apple product. They represent everything my ethical and moral compass opposes.
 

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[citation][nom]halcyon[/nom]You can't run Peak on Windows and there simply isn't any economical worthy Windows equivalents[/citation]
There are literally thousands of programs that cost businesses millions of $$$ that are used to run their operations, none of which are able to run on a Mac
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We could sit for hours singing sad songs about which system is unable to run that one bit of software that is used for an irreplaceable task and the column for Mac would be a thousand times bigger than the one for Windows
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The difference of course is that Windows will run flawlessly on both PCs and Mac hardware, but apple has seen fit to legally crush anyone that tries to install OSX on non-Mac hardware, if you really really needed to run Peak and couldn't buy a Mac Pro anymore you would simply buy a much cheaper PC equivalent in power and do a DIY hackintosh
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Many users would prefer to buy a legitimate hardware/software Apple product buy yet again Apple knows best and is removing your choice, go and buy a less powerful iMac and suffer the performance hit
 

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[citation][nom]moricon[/nom]Hmm I see buggy OSX machines nearly every week, I repair them, along with Windows machines, I see just as much go wrong with an Apple as a windows Machine, I have less Apple Customers, but the percentage of problems is the same as windows, Apple is not infallible, neither are they crap, they are what they are..Highly engineered pricey computers that tend to work really well, but fail at times like all Computers, Unix OSX and Windows ( Mind you I rarely come across a Linux PC that needed repairing, says a lot about the few users)[/citation]

I highly doubt these claims unless it is hardware related. Yes Apple haters will jab anything negative about Apple (which to me is like rooting against US companies) but OSX is the most stable mainstream OS out there. Sure Linux is very stable (only popular versions, Red Hat, Ubuntu) but still not mainstream.

@Elmoisevil - LOL. Your hilarious! Sounds like you want a OS that is easily hacked and hardware people can destroy by tinkering with but some call them enthusiast. Apple is simply about a good user experience. Stable OS and hardware that meets Apple standards and not cheap replacement parts.

Of course most enthusiast are about upgrading but most consumers throw cheap hardware into systems that may diminish performance but of course people like you only see whats in front of you and not the big picture. At this point Apple has enough products for nearly every budget level.

If there is one thing consumer should complain about with Apple is the iOS becoming stale. Sure it is a great mobile device OS, it is just getting long in the tooth and not evolving like Android.
 

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Their loss, the Socialist bastards. Always wanted a maxed out Mac Pro with ECC memory and Xeon Processors, for what I don't know, to play with. I always build my own gaming rigs, thanks Newegg and Tiger Direct.
 

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[citation][nom]ElMoIsEviL[/nom]And in case I wasn't clear... Apple = Fascism.[/citation]
And I bet you voted for Obama and his real fascist regime. Apple is pure Capitalism you dunkoff.
 

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[citation][nom]abbadon_34[/nom]MS goes to great lengths to satisfy the EU BS, Apple just quits. Not sure which it better. Just that the EU BS is well, BS.[/citation]
MS is a tool for the FEDS with built in back doors at the kernel level, of course they will try to make sure everyone uses their Masters OS
 
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