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no sh*t the mac os >> windows.

mac is unpopular, amongst others things, b/c its the most proprietary pos ever. and that's dell included.
 
Why does everyone uses windows? Mass mentality. Less money.
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No... everyone uses Windows because Apple screwed themselves royally when they decided not to allow clones. Apple could not gain enough market penetration because they could not keep up with all the x86 manufacturers. If Apple had taken the stick out of their ass and opened up their architeture... we may all be using PowerPC clones and running MacOS instead of Windows.

Hence why all the software x86 users enjoy are made for that platform first... and may or may not trickle down to Mac.
 
Why does everyone uses windows? Mass mentality. Less money.
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No... everyone uses Windows because Apple screwed themselves royally when they decided not to allow clones. Apple could not gain enough market penetration because they could not keep up with all the x86 manufacturers. If Apple had taken the stick out of their ass and opened up their architeture... we may all be using PowerPC clones and running MacOS instead of Windows.

Hence why all the software x86 users enjoy are made for that platform first... and may or may not trickle down to Mac.
Whatever...If they did that, mac OS would be unstability all over. Putting a ferrari engine in a fiat punto? Don´t think so....
Each thing at its place....want mac os? Buy a mac.
 
U don´t have a mac, and if you had, you would mentioned it.
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I have a Mac II. I bought it for a buck at an auction to play Robowar on. Then it was a footrest under my PC for a long while. Now it's sitting in my computer graveyard. I should dig it up. I miss having a good footrest. :tongue:
 
everybody:

let's just all drop the pc/mac debate, nobody has ever gotten anywhere with it, and we're not about to gain any ground now.
 
Stability problems on Windows are highly exaggerated by Mac users. Are there problems? Sure. They're just not as bad as most Mac users make them out to be... and MacOS isn't 100% foolproof either...

My work computer runs WinXP. The only time I ever have to shut it down or reboot it is when I'm adding a hard drive to test or doing Windows updates. It stays up for weeks at a time with no problems whatsoever... no crashes, period. You don't need a Mac to gain stability... you just have to know what you're doing.

😛

Besides, there's always Linux. At least software support for it is growing... which is more than I can say for MacOS...
 
it's relatively hard to find people who 'know what they're doing'. osX, in general, is far more idiot-proof than xp, kinda ironic that the idiot-proofing doesnt work when everybody scrambles for windows anyway.
 
I just want to know why it's a nightmare for AMD enthusiasts. I mean if we didn't care about Apple before, why would we start now? Just because they've switched to Intel? Big f**kin' deal. An Apple will still be an Apple... proprietary as hell, and a pain in the ass to upgrade. It's a niche product in a niche market... almost irrelevant.

Now if a company the likes of Dell used AMD and decided to dump them, then that may be a nightmare for AMD enthusiasts... but I fail to see why we should be concerned about Apple using Intel processors.
 
Besides, there's always Linux. At least software support for it is growing...
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Especially as Windows/DX emulations like WINE get better and better. :) One day I might even give Linux a serious go again. Maybe the next PC I build...


Yes WINE is getting better and there are commercial derivatives like Cedega. There is also VMWare which can be made to run almost anything.

I have several dedicated Linux machines myself and they all work GREAT! 😀

My gaming machine dual boots Linux and XP (as a last resort). The funny thing is my dual boot box is rock solid, 100% stable under Linux, however it always crashes under windows :-( funny how that works, huh????

I am aware of the fact that some games crash a lot and take windows down with them and that the automatic reboot can be turned off, etc however most Unix systems are a LOT more crash resistant and far more stable out of the box even when running experimental software.

No software on earth is absolutely perfect or secure - duh!!!!!! but there are many things Unix operating systems do a lot better than windows.

A quick and easy way to test drive Linux is to try Knoppix which is a bootable Live Linux system which runs entirely from CD or DVD and does not require installation.

The Knoppix CD can be downloaded below:

http://www.kernel.org/pub/dist/knoppix/KNOPPIX_V4.0.2CD-2005-09-23-EN.iso

Please keep in mind there are MANY Linux distributions and each one does things differently, some are better than others and certain things work better on one as opposed to another. If you try a distribution and don't like it, please try another one! Also Linux is incredibly customizable and if it doesn't work exactly the way you want it to work out of the box it can be made to work the way you want it to. The possibilities are endless! 😀

If any of you are interested in trying Linux or BSD or any Unix OS feel free to message me and I will try to help you get the most out of them 😀

Semper Fi carry on
 
Some folks in my department use Linux at work. (Because we're doing software development for Windows and Linux using Python and Qt.) And they all use VMware to run Windows, because, well, you just can't really get away from Windows, even when you want to. :lol: Even if VMware-ing Windows is kind of slow.

In the past I've fiddled with Red Hat (and now Fedora), Mandrake, and Suse. I know enough to be dangerous, but not enough to be all that productive or helpful. 😳

I know that if I really felt like it, I could sit down and learn. Heck, I was using a Commodore 64 since I was 7. Command prompts and overly complicated ways of doing simple things don't scare me. It's just a matter of memorizing the basics and knowing where to look up everything else. Heck, I even use DOSbox to run old games.

But really, I'm just waiting for Linux to evolve a little more before I finally bother setting up a dual-boot at home. I mean, for example, the last time I used a Linux box I had to change out a USB mouse for a PS2 mouse. Just getting that mouse to work was a royal pain in the behind. It was astonishing. Especially since on a Windows box I can do that without even having to load a single driver. Windows detects the new hardware automatically, loads a good default driver, and tada, I'm good to go without missing a beat. They were completely opposite experiences.

One day Linux will be refined enough that these little things are finally handled. For example, I've heard that you no longer have to rebuild the kernel just to use the 3D acceleration of a newly installed graphics card. Though I haven't verified this, it'd be about f'ing time. And the hardware configuration programs are definately getting friendlier. I have noticed that.

And one of these days I really am going to look into a Knoppix disk as a recovery tool. I keep forgetting. But it's on my list of things to do.

Personally, I love open source projects. (And I wish my company would let me open source, or at least freeware compliled objects, of some of our non-essential code.) I use The GIMP, Spam Bayes, Open Office, and such fairly regularly ... even while I have expensive commercial alternatives such as Adobe Photoshop and M$ Office available. So far I've been pretty impressed with Open Office2.

But for as much as I love some of the concepts of Linux, I really have to take fault with the by geeks-for geeks mentality that has at times even seemed to have consciously and intentionally kept Linux much more complicated to use than it needed to be to protect it from casual users.

And companies like Linspire have really disappointed as they seem more about trying to make a name for themselves and/or money through provoking lawsuits than they do about actually delivering what they preach.

It'd be nice if a community got together to make an OS that would actually improve the world, for a change, instead of various peoples getting on their different high horses, each for their own selfish reasons.

I don't mind a little useful added complexity. And I typically don't complain about a little added complexity when using freeware, because I understand how much effort it can take to design a good user interface and how little innate skill most programmers have for that. Logic and artistic ability are nearly opposing entities. I understand that. But Linux ... I don't know. IMHO there's just no good excuse for the way it's drug its feet on making things more simple. Hopefully one day it'll get there, and I'm sure that I'll use it seriously long before it actually gets there, but it's been a long and disappointing road so far.

But sooner or later someone is really going to have to complete with M$ seriously, because M$ is just getting waaaaay too full of themselves.

But, I have to say that Windows really is getting pretty good. At home and at work I have WinXP running, and damn me to hell if both boxes won't run 24/7 for months in a row without a single problem. That's a heck of a lot better than my old Win98SE box.
 
The Intel desktop processors MAC's will use take up less power then AMD's laptop processors. 50W for a Core Duo 2.15GHz is quite low. They also don't run at insane speeds. Infact they're more efficient then the Athlon64 on a clock for clock and watt per watt basis.
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I don't think so. The only reason that Core Duo wins against the Turion is because it's DualCore. They have improved over the Dothan but that's not really saying much. And the 955 desktop part still hasn't made up the difference between the X2 or FX60 which is running 800MHz slower and has half the cache.

Admit it, Intel has dropped the ball and AMD picked it up. The last few years were like AMD taking Intel out back and beating the crap out of them. Everyone who knows says that AMD is in charge at least until 2008.

Intel doesn't have a chance without CSI. Once AM2 launches in a few months, the FX62 will regian the crown in the few places where Intel took it back with the 955. If they add dual channel and dual core to the Turion, the Yonah will get beat.
 
But sooner or later someone is really going to have to complete with M$ seriously, because M$ is just getting waaaaay too full of themselves.

But, I have to say that Windows really is getting pretty good. At home and at work I have WinXP running, and damn me to hell if both boxes won't run 24/7 for months in a row without a single problem. That's a heck of a lot better than my old Win98SE box.
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That will only happen when someone creates a better bx that cannot be considered an "IBM-Compatible PC" otherwise MS will get paid anyway. That's why no one can threaten MS. They signed the "Greatest Deal Ever" as the only outsource supplier of the IBM PCs OS.

Maybe that's why the Cell is gaining popularity. It can be the basis for a non IBM-Compatible PC.
 
When is the last time you tried Linux?

What distribution did you use?

I have been using Unix and Linux since 1994 and I can say Linux has been unusable since Redhat 6.x ( around 1998? IIRC ) even for average people.

Part of the problem is most people are brainwashed to think any non-M$ OS sucks or is hard to use and they have picked up bad habits from M$ software.

Also most people are afraid to try something new and learn something in the process.

GIMP, O😵rg, gaim and many other OSS projects do kick butt 😀 and many are cross platform which is nice.

USB devices have been working pretty well for several years. Especially mice.

Knoppix is a great tool btw.

You can grab the CD here:

http://www.kernel.org/pub/dist/knoppix/KNOPPIX_V4.0.2CD-2005-09-23-EN.iso

or you can message me privately and I can send you the DVD 😀

Over and out
 
That will only happen when someone creates a better bx that cannot be considered an "IBM-Compatible PC" otherwise MS will get paid anyway. That's why no one can threaten MS. They signed the "Greatest Deal Ever" as the only outsource supplier of the IBM PCs OS.
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Umm ... not sure where you get your information from, but it's fairly wrong. Oh, sure, there have been contracts where M$ gets paid for OS-less boxes. However even boxes shipping with FreeDOS don't suffer that. And even then, that's just a contract, not a law. As soon as any OS actually proves itself, especially a free one, there will be plenty of resistance to M$'s goofy contracts. But until there's something actually worth replacing Windows with, there's no reason to risk pissing off M$.

Maybe that's why the Cell is gaining popularity. It can be the basis for a non IBM-Compatible PC.
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I doubt it. :lol: Cell is just hype. It's nice for consoles. It might even make for some interesting servers. But other than that, hype. It's not like x86 is the only architecture in the world.
 
I used to work at MS. That's where I get my info. MS gets paid for every PC sold, PERIOD. If you can get Dell, HP, and others to say that isn't so, great.

And whatever OS tries to compete it has to compete with DirectX. That means either providing an API that is compatible or better. WHat are the chances? Then any server has to beat out Active Directory and let's not mention the file system and USB. By the time any company could get all of these things up to par MS would force them out of business.

My comment about the Cell was just specualtion.
 
I can see Apple maybe wanting to pimp there OS to the hords of unsatisfied WinXP owners, maybe compete with MS Vista. MS made more money with just their operating system then Apple could even dreamed about by leaps and bounds. A easy way of doing business, playing etc over MS maybe extremely complicated Vista could prove very worth while for Apple to do.
 
I used to work at MS. That's where I get my info. MS gets paid for every PC sold, PERIOD. If you can get Dell, HP, and others to say that isn't so, great.
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Sorry, but that's M$-centric bull. I've yet to meet an owner of a single minor manufacturer that pays M$ for not installing Windows. And from what I've read, the old contracts where that was true are being phased out in a lot of major OEMs. (Mostly because of anti-trust pressure.)

And whatever OS tries to compete it has to compete with DirectX.
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Besides OpenGL, there are also projects such as WINE. You're right, but it's most definately happening.
 
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