News March 2024 Steam Hardware Survey shows continued gains for Nvidia's RTX 40-series — AMD RX 7000-series still mostly MIA

[Admin]

The latest Steam Hardware Survey dropped, with continued gains from Nvidia's current RTX 40-series GPUs. AMD's cards remain underrepresented, and we can't help but feel far more are in use than the survey suggests.

March 2024 Steam Hardware Survey shows continued gains for Nvidia's RTX 40-series — AMD RX 7000-series still mostly MIA : Read more

 

[valthuer]

In order to gain market share from a market leader, you either have to noticeably beat the market leader in terms of quality/functionality or significantly undercut it in terms of price. When it comes to GPUs, AMD has missed both goals. The result is stagnating market shares at a low level.

AMD made the wrong choice, by not introducing Tensor and RT cores and ignoring them for 1-2 generations. Very bad investment decision.

They have positioned themselves around 10% cheaper than Nvidia in terms of rasterizing performance and are satisfied with the result.

If more doesn't come soon, GPU market share of AMD will continue to decline.

 

[blppt]

In order to gain market share from a market leader, you either have to noticeably beat the market leader in terms of quality/functionality or significantly undercut it in terms of price. When it comes to GPUs, AMD has missed both goals. The result is stagnating market shares at a low level.

AMD made the wrong choice, by not introducing Tensor and RT cores and ignoring them for 1-2 generations. Very bad investment decision.

They have positioned themselves around 10% cheaper than Nvidia in terms of rasterizing performance and are satisfied with the result.

If more doesn't come soon, GPU market share of AMD will continue to decline.

I remember being very disappointed in the RT performance of the 7xxx series after waiting for it to come out--AMD was making claims that it would be a really significant jump from my 6900XT in that area.

Hopefully with the inclusion of their tensor core equivalent in the 8xxx series (IIRC?) I'll have a reason to upgrade. Or a significant non-RT 4k framerate boost.

 

[Joseph_138]

It looks like a lot of people are upgrading, and they are upgrading to Nvidia. GTX 16 usage is in heavy decline, RTX 40 is making the most gains, followed by RTX 30, but even RTX 20 is making tiny gains. RX 5000 and RX 6000 are also both declining, but RX 7000 numbers aren't ticking up enough to cover the losses, so even those people are upgrading to an RTX card. I would have thought that the RX 7900 GRE would have helped RX 7000 sales. but that doesn't appear to be the case. Even when it outperforms the RTX 4070, for the same price, it still doesn't seem to selling well enough to stop the shift away from AMD. There has to be a reason for it.

 

[vanadiel007]

The reason for this is marketing, nothing else. Nvidia is trying to convince everybody they need RT.
I am very happy with my 7900XTX purchase. Adrenalin is way ahead of the Nvidia equivalent and in terms of software control it's very well supported.

I am also futureproof as the card come with DP 2.1 connectivity, and with FSR being improved upon generation to generation I am feeling confident this card will be able to handle the games I play for at least another generation, maybe even two generations.

I would suggest to ignore all the marketing hype, and do you own research into the 4000 Nvidia and 7000 AMD cards, and come to your own conclusion(s).

 

[salgado18]

The reason for this is marketing, nothing else. Nvidia is trying to convince everybody they need RT.
I am very happy with my 7900XTX purchase. Adrenalin is way ahead of the Nvidia equivalent and in terms of software control it's very well supported.

I am also futureproof as the card come with DP 2.1 connectivity, and with FSR being improved upon generation to generation I am feeling confident this card will be able to handle the games I play for at least another generation, maybe even two generations.

I would suggest to ignore all the marketing hype, and do you own research into the 4000 Nvidia and 7000 AMD cards, and come to your own conclusion(s).

They don't need to convince anyone.

As personal experience, I bought an RX 6700 XT. In my 1080p monitor, I put Cyberpunk 2077 in max settings, native resolution, and it ran at 80 fps. Feels so good! Then I enabled RT, and performance went down way, way too much. Like 20 fps or less. And then I thought: if I had bought the RTX 4060 for the same money, RT would be above 50 fps or so. That is a very bad feeling. Raster in 1080p will be great for a few years, but any RT effect is out of the question, as it is as good as an RTX 1070.

RT may be a gimmick, but then again every graphics setting is. Why buy a card that is to much worse in these settings than the competition, all else being equal?

If AMD doesn't get their RT performance at least to RTX 3000 levels, they will be out of the game again, and that will be terrible for everyone (except Nvidia and Intel, I guess).

 

[vijosef]

Nvidia is always innovating. One week it adds enhancements for youtube, other week, is AI upscaling. Next is AI frame interpolation. AMD is just imitating after the fact.

 

[magbarn]

AMD could've easily won significant new market share if they priced the 7XXX stack the same as 6XXX stack and didn't rename their cards up a step like Nvidia did. (The 7900XT is really the true 6800XT successor) They would've been sold out till now. Instead they priced to parity with Nvidia and this is what they get.

 

[artk2219]

They don't need to convince anyone.

As personal experience, I bought an RX 6700 XT. In my 1080p monitor, I put Cyberpunk 2077 in max settings, native resolution, and it ran at 80 fps. Feels so good! Then I enabled RT, and performance went down way, way too much. Like 20 fps or less. And then I thought: if I had bought the RTX 4060 for the same money, RT would be above 50 fps or so. That is a very bad feeling. Raster in 1080p will be great for a few years, but any RT effect is out of the question, as it is as good as an RTX 1070.

RT may be a gimmick, but then again every graphics setting is. Why buy a card that is to much worse in these settings than the competition, all else being equal?

If AMD doesn't get their RT performance at least to RTX 3000 levels, they will be out of the game again, and that will be terrible for everyone (except Nvidia and Intel, I guess).

They are at RTX 3000 levels, the 7900 XTX has around the same ray tracing ability as an RTX 3090, thats the issue if you care about ray tracing, they're a generation behind. Personally I think its much ado about nothing as we still don't have cards that do not take a huge performance loss when ray tracing is enabled. That said, it'll be a bigger deal in 4 or 5 years when ray tracing is in more applications and games, so they should ideally have this issue fixed by then. Almost like that seems to line up with the next console generation or something, convenient.

 

[Notton]

The good thing about AMD GPUs

• They have good rasterization
• They offer a consistent 30% better performance/dollar compared to nvidia
• You don't have to deal with a janky 20pin power connector

The problems, real or perceived, with AMD GPUs. In no particular order.

• 30% better performance/dollar is not enticing enough when overall GPU prices are higher
• Driver performance and stability is not as good as nvidia
• Radeon is power inefficient and runs hotter and consumes more power than Geforce of similar performance
• Radeon idle power consumption is especially bad due to chiplet design
• Nvidia DLSS and frame gen are straight up better than AMD's implementation
• AI related apps works better on RTX cards
• Long standing brand recognition and quality issue that AMD refuses to address
• Repeat buyers buy what worked for them last time, which is most likely going to be an nvidia card
• AMD's Radeon naming scheme is garbage and has too many Xs
• AMD is bad at marketing certification that ensures a certain level of quality/performance (Like Intel Evo, Nvidia G-sync Ultimate)
• They don't have an easy to use app that let's you conveniently optimize a game for your PC with a touch of a button (You sell consoles. Half the work is done for you already, why not port those presets to PC?)
• Radeon dGPUs are virtually non-existant in the laptop segment

 

[artk2219]

In order to gain market share from a market leader, you either have to noticeably beat the market leader in terms of quality/functionality or significantly undercut it in terms of price. When it comes to GPUs, AMD has missed both goals. The result is stagnating market shares at a low level.

AMD made the wrong choice, by not introducing Tensor and RT cores and ignoring them for 1-2 generations. Very bad investment decision.

They have positioned themselves around 10% cheaper than Nvidia in terms of rasterizing performance and are satisfied with the result.

If more doesn't come soon, GPU market share of AMD will continue to decline.

I think AMD themselves have pretty much put in all the effort that they're going to for this generation, and started to focus on RX 8000, and a big push with the RX 9000 series in the future. RX 8000 will not focus on the high end but will instead focus on bringing mass market performance back, likely with a max price around $600 USD and performance between RX 7900 XT and RX 7900 XTX levels. The last time they did this was with the RX 5000 series, which sold pretty well. The big push will be with the RX 9000 series if they want to go for the gold again like with the RX 6000 series with competitive products at every price point. That said, for many people it still won't matter, do you know how many people I tried to convince to pickup an RX 6600, RX 6600 XT , RX 6700, or RX 6700XT instead of an RTX 3050 or RTX 3060? Or how many I've tried to convince to just look at an RX 7800 XT or 7900 GRE recently? It's kind of nuts the mindshare Nvidia has, and the amount of crap people believe about AMD's card even if they've never actually used one themselves.

 

[TJ Hooker]

AMD's share of desktop GPU sales increased in the most recent data (Q4 2023). https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...-increase-in-q4-amds-market-share-rises-to-19

If AMD is actually losing dGPU market share overall, it must be coming from the laptop market.

 

[valthuer]

The big push will be with the RX 9000 series if they want to go for the gold again like with the RX 6000 series with competitive products at every price point.

Hate to say it, but i don't see AMD coming out on top anytime soon, unless of course Nvidia decides to stop making consumer GPUs - which i wouldn't be surprised to see it happening in these next few years.

If you ask me, it's too little too late for team Red to play catch up. At this point, a GPU "arms race" would almost certainly bankrupt them. They just don't possess the financial warchest necessary for a prolonged battle.

That said, for many people it still won't matter, do you know how many people I tried to convince to pickup an RX 6600, RX 6600 XT , RX 6700, or RX 6700XT instead of an RTX 3050 or RTX 3060? Or how many I've tried to convince to just look at an RX 7800 XT or 7900 GRE recently? It's kind of nuts the mindshare Nvidia has, and the amount of crap people believe about AMD's card even if they've never actually used one themselves.

I get what you 're saying. Buying based on perceptions, can be a pretty terrible idea. But, then again, the perception that Nvidia's products are better than the competition no matter what, didn't just occur overnight: it has been gradually established by Nvidia being the superior GPU company for the better part of the past two decades or so.

The last time ATi/AMD had a clear technology leading design, was probably with the Radeon 9800 Pro. But that was like 21 years ago.

You can't expect to become the leader by settling for second place.

 

[artk2219]

Hate to say it, but i don't see AMD coming out on top anytime soon, unless of course Nvidia decides to stop making consumer GPUs - which i wouldn't be surprised to see it happening in these next few years.

If you ask me, it's too little too late for team Red to play catch up. At this point, a GPU "arms race" would almost certainly bankrupt them. They just don't possess the financial warchest necessary for a prolonged battle.



I get what you 're saying. Buying based on perceptions, can be a pretty terrible idea. But, then again, the perception that Nvidia's products are better than the competition no matter what, didn't just occur overnight: it has been gradually established by Nvidia being the superior GPU company for the better part of the past two decades or so.

The last time ATi/AMD had a clear technology leading design, was probably with the Radeon 9800 Pro. But that was like 21 years ago.

You can't expect to become the leader by settling for second place.

You're probably right, unless they can pull a rabbit out of their hat or Nvidia screws the pooch royally like they did with the FX 5000 and GTX 400 series, they're probably on top for the long haul. That said, it doesn't mean the RX 8000 and 9000 series cant get back some market share. It isn't quite as far back as the 9800 Pro, but yeah the last time AMD was indisputably on top was with the HD 5000 series, 15 years ago. Ah, back to the golden days when a top end GPU was $400 dollars, which is equal to $577 in 2024 dollars. I know that unless theres a seismic shift in manufacturing tech, we won't get back to anything close to those numbers with the complexity of modern GPU's, but its doesn't mean i can't be nostalgic .

 

[valthuer]

Ah, back to the golden days when a top end GPU was $400 dollars, which is equal to $577 in 2024 dollars.

I know! Right?

Back in 2011, i bought an MSI Radeon HD 6950 for 300€, flashed its BIOS into a 6970 and, in an instant, became the proud owner of maybe the second best GPU at that time.

Those were the days, man!

 

[tomor36]

The reason for this is marketing, nothing else. Nvidia is trying to convince everybody they need RT.
I am very happy with my 7900XTX purchase. Adrenalin is way ahead of the Nvidia equivalent and in terms of software control it's very well supported.

I am also futureproof as the card come with DP 2.1 connectivity, and with FSR being improved upon generation to generation I am feeling confident this card will be able to handle the games I play for at least another generation, maybe even two generations.

I would suggest to ignore all the marketing hype, and do you own research into the 4000 Nvidia and 7000 AMD cards, and come to your own conclusion(s).

two main things -
Andrenaline is not way ahead, since having useless features wont put you there.
and no, you're not future-proof with dp2.1 sinceAMD decided to use lesser version that has barely bigger output than HDMI 2.1.

 

[rickmd1991]

It is undeniably biased. When I owned a 4090 I received a survey request each month. I swapped to a 7900 xt about a year and a half ago due the fear of a card on fire. I haven't received a hardware survey request since. I really hope people don't use this information to make their purchases. I 100% believe devs take these numbers into account and not implement something as simple as fsr3 for dlss instead.

 

[artk2219]

It is undeniably biased. When I owned a 4090 I received a survey request each month. I swapped to a 7900 xt about a year and a half ago due the fear of a card on fire. I haven't received a hardware survey request since. I really hope people don't use this information to make their purchases. I 100% believe devs take these numbers into account and not implement something as simple as fsr3 for dlss instead.

You know, thats a good point, i noticed i haven't received on in a while, not since I swapped out from my RTX 3080. Obviously that proves nothing, but that is interesting.