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Hi,

Does any of you know if the Corsair Dominator Platinum memory is to high to fit under the Phanteks PH-TC14PE cooler on an Asus Maximus VI Formula motherboard?

And if so, what would be the best memory alternative?

Thank you very much!
 
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It likely is. I had my eyes set on the Dominator Platinum as well, and wanted a Noctua NH-D14 (most likely roughly the same size, as they are huge), but realized they wouldn't fit (Noctua has a RAM compatibility page). I ended up getting Vengeance Pros, but I still had clearance issues. I ended up having to move the fan directly over the RAM slots up quite a bit. So it looks a bit weird, but it still works.

I'd suggest getting Vengeance LP (low profiles), as you likely won't have clearance issues.
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It likely is. I had my eyes set on the Dominator Platinum as well, and wanted a Noctua NH-D14 (most likely roughly the same size, as they are huge), but realized they wouldn't fit (Noctua has a RAM compatibility page). I ended up getting Vengeance Pros, but I still had clearance issues. I ended up having to move the fan directly over the RAM slots up quite a bit. So it looks a bit weird, but it still works.

I'd suggest getting Vengeance LP (low profiles), as you likely won't have clearance issues.
 
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Mushkin Redline low profile is what I use on air cooled builds..... well actually I use Redline (Hynix) every chance I get when I can get em.....

If ya check,you will see that the best timings you are usually Corsair Dominator and Mushkin Redline.....2400 for example us 10-12-12-28 whereas everybody else is 10-12-12-31. They typically sell out quick tho ....as soon as newegg gets em in, usually sold out in cupla days. AFAIK, Mushkin still using Hynix modules on the Redlines as is Corsair w/ the Dominators.... Vengeance Pro line dropped Hynix after about version 4.57 or so I no longer consider those tho the red ones are a nice aesthetic match for the M6F and all RoG MoBos for that matter.

1600 CAS 7 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226178

BTW, great cooler.... I have same MoBo with 16GB Mushkin Redline 2400 tho this box is water cooled.
 
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Thank you for your answers!

I will buy the i7-4770K too.

The Cosair LP's can be bought with 1.35V or 1.5V. Should i go with 1.35V even if Intel "recommends" 1.5V when I want to overclock? I guess the Mushkin ones would be a bad choice with 1.65V?

But - if we are talking water cooling, let's say Corsair H80i, is it worth it and should I care less about voltage then?
 
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Better check Intel's Memory Compatibility List .... > 50% of the RAM on there is 1.65 volts

I wish peeps would stop spreading this misinformation and actually go read the Intel site. The Intel 1.5 recommendation is for JDEC profiles ONLY because that is all that JDEC has approved..... when you see DDR3-1866 for example "on the package" what they are advertising is NOT the JDEC profile but the XMP profile speed and XMP Voltage. I don't know anyone who runs JDEC....every machine I have built uses the XMP profile.

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/extreme-memory-profile-xmp.html

Intel® Extreme Memory Profile (Intel® XMP) allows you to overclock compatible DDR3 memory to perform beyond standard specifications. It’s designed to enhance the gaming features built into Intel® technology–based PCs. If you like to overclock and squeeze as much performance from your PC as possible, then memory based on Intel XMP gives you that extra edge you need to dominate—without breaking a sweat.
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Every single RAM stick on Intel's Certified Compatibility List above 2133 is 1.65 volts .... no exceptions. If you are going to have very low CAS or very high speed, the way you get there is to use XMP profiles and more voltage. There is absolutely nothing to worry about here.

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/xmp-for-core-processors.html

At JDEC 1333 CAS 9, 1.35 is easy..... CAS 7 will take you higher .... DDR2400 will take you higher

Many peeps go 1.8 volt and higher with narry a worry about DRAM voltage....others go to 2.0

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=734018

By all means .... if you are using run of the mill memory look for the lowest voltage you can find.... but if you are sacrificing performance just to get a lower voltage when it will provide no advantage whatsoever, that is just silly. RAM, regardless of what it says in the newegg description can be run at various voltages depending on what perofrmnace level you want to obtain.

My DDR3-2400 has the following options:

JDEC #5 = DDR3-1366 @ 9-9-9-24 / 1.5 volts
JDEC #6 = DDR3-1522 @ 10-10-10-27 / 1.5 volts
JDEC #5 = DDR3-1666 @ 11-11-11-30 / 1.5 volts
XMP-2400 = DDR3-2400 @ 10-12-12-28 / 1.65 volts

Notice what a little voltage did .... it overclocked the memory "as supported and certified by Intel" and took it from 1666 to 2400 and dropped the timing s at the same time. Use CPU-z t see what your numbers are.


I won't be in the same room with a H series cooler.....

Watch the video to see if the noise is acceptable to you
http://martinsliquidlab.org/2013/03/12/swiftech-h220-vs-corsair-h100i-noise-testing/

Note here that when compared with the Phanteks, when both use the same paste, the Phanteks scores a temp of 51.75 with quiet 1200 rpm fans compared with the H100's 52.5C with noisy 2600 rpm fans

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Here again the H110 scores the same temps as the cheaper Noctua DH-14

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The key here is .... with so little price difference between 1600 and 2400 , why get 1600 ?n Here's a site that is a bit expensive so ya may not wanna shop there but shows a good comparison

http://www.ramexperts.com/ddr3/performance-desktop.html

DDR3-1600 (16GB) CAS 8 / 1.50V = $199.99 (5.00ns)
DDR3-1866 (16GB) CAS 9 / 1.50V = $189.99 4.82ns)
DDR3-2133 (16GB) CAS 9 / 1.65V = $209.99 (4.22ns)
DDR3-2400 (16GB) CAS 10 / 1.65V = $219.99 (4.17ns)

Given the above, .....

.... The 1866 is 4% faster than the 1600 for less money .... no brainer
.... The 2133 is 14.2% faster than the 1866 for just 10.5% more money ... not hard to justify
.... The the 2400 is a lil faster than the 2133 for just $10 more.

Keep in mind that comparing performance increase while simple is a fool's errand in the sense that ya whole system goes faster .... that last one for example should be viewed as a $20 system price increase on say a $2k build for the 2133 is a 14% performance increase for 1% more system cost.
 
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Thank you for taking your time to clarify all this. It's a bit overwhelming.

So, I can conclude that The Phanteks cooler is a good choice. That's very good.

I don't understand all the stuff about JDEC.

I am so confused about the memory. I want 2x8GB

I thought buying anything faster than 1600MHz would be stupid when overclocking the CPU to hopefully about 4.5 GHz.
Especially after watching this: http://youtu.be/0CHs5_TdpXE?t=5m0s ?
 
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What do you plane to do with your rig? Haswell like fast DRAM (the K models) like you are looking at:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7364/memory-scaling-on-haswell

Regardless of what you are doing , would suggest looking at 1866/8 or 9 as a minimum and if pretty strictly this is for gaming that's plenty sufficient, if you do video work, imaging, CAD, GIS, multi-task (many windows open), run VMs, use large data sets, etc then might want to think faster, most all of my builds for clients run 2133-2666, the higher is for users doing very memory centric things like those mentioned before. On the Formula mobo, best I've had on those has been the GSkill Tridents X, they are also the most established high freq sticks. Want to look for a set of the full amount of DRAM you want, don't want to be mixing packages in the future as it can be problematic, so if looking for 8GB go with 2x4GB, 16GB a 2x8GB set (the less sticks used is less stress on the MC (memory controller)
 
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Yes, The Phanteks is the top air cooler on the market, out performs every 120/140 H series cooler out there and performs comparably to the H1xx series while being less than 1/4 as loud and with no risk of this:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1440506/my-corsair-h60-exploded-water-explosion

JEDEC is a standards organization ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JEDEC

XMP are Intel eXtreme Memory Profiles which exceed the JEDEC standard as is shown in the image below. Most PC enthusiasts have never run their RAM at any of the JEDEC profile settings and use XMP setting.

http://www.mainelycontrols.com/pics/computers/MC_2009_comp_RAM_CPUZ_SPD_tab1104.png

The 1st 3 are JEDEC profiles, the last is what the RAM was advertised at speed wise and as you can see, just like a CPU , it needs additional voltage to support the faster speeds.

In the past, peeps would do benchmark testing at average fps and conclude that when average fps went up only 2% a 10% increase in memory cost was silly. Then someone read that and reposted and said faster speed RAM is worthless. The facts of the matter are that:

1. Various types of work done on a PC are significantly affected by RAM speed.
2. While average fps is not oft greatly impacted, minimum speed is oft significantly impacted by RAM speed. I don't much get excited about average fps going from 60 - 63 fps..... but I do find it significant when minimum fps goes from 30 to 33.
3. Today, 2133 is oft the same price as 1600 and 1866 is oft cheaper than 1600.
4. Is $210 for 2133 / 1.65 RAM worth it over 1600 / 1.5 ....if ya can realize 2-3% performance increase it's the proverbial "no brainer". While ya RAM cost is 5% more ... ya whole $2000 system is 2-3% faster for a 0.50 % increase in cost and the 1.65 volt is fully and unconditionally supported by Intel.
 
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