News Microsoft adds telemetry to monitor Windows 11 sluggishness in latest beta, dev builds — logs reportedly only sent when users submit feedback

[Admin]

Microsoft adds additional telemetry to latest beta and dev builds of Windows 11 to monitor and log performance sluggishness within the OS. The logs will reportedly only be shared with Microsoft when users publish performance issues in the Feedback Hub.

Microsoft adds telemetry to monitor Windows 11 sluggishness in latest beta, dev builds — logs reportedly only sent when users submit feedback : Read more

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

One of the biggest things Microsoft could do is ditch the monthly cumulative updates and go back to the "One issue, one patch" system of Windows 7 (prior to the change) and earlier, with every annual or semi annual update acting as a full update rollup, similar to the Update Rollup or service packs of generations prior. It may take initial setups a little longer, but the ability to easily troubleshoot and remove only issue causing updates instead of delaying installing everything is a win for both consumers and developers.

The biggest thing, of course, is to let people strip down the OS of everything non critical the way Windows used to be, because update for feature A which you may not even use may cause issue with feature B that you do. Tis why I think Windows 2000 was and is still peak Windows design.

 

[Dr3ams]

logs reportedly only sent when users submit feedback​

If you believe that, then I have some lakeside property on the moon I'd like to sell you.

 

[mikeebb]

Probably useless anecdata, but I have (edit: Windows 11 in) a 10th gen i5-10400F in a desktop and a 11th gen i7 in a Lenovo laptop. i5 has 16G RAM and all (except one NVME stick used mainly for Linux dual-boot) standard SATA-3 6GB/s SSD boot and spinning rust data disks. The i7 has 8G RAM and a 1/2-GB NVME SSD. Once Windows is selected from the GRUB menu, the desktop starts up seemingly quicker than the laptop, with both set to avoid "fast shutdown" which really isn't. Hard to get firm, repeatable timings though; they're close.

One other issue affecting real-world (not just boot to desktop) timing is "sysmain." In the laptop, it (now disabled, and startup works much better) would tie things up with disk access and enough CPU drain to run the fan up to hurricane, leading to kind of funky response to other apps for a couple of minutes. The desktop, which is an upgrade from Windows 10 (years ago) not a clean install, doesn't have that and is ready to use once logged in. If you have a SSD boot disk, even a plain-SATA model like in my desktop, you don't need sysmain (once known as "Superfetch" in the dark ages).

As for updates, why not go the Linux route and post individual updates whenever they're ready, for you to review and choose a good time (if ever) to apply?

Edit2: more specific SATA description

 

[USAFRet]

What part of "beta tester" is unclear?

This is not (yet, if ever) in the prod release.

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

What part of "beta tester" is unclear?

This is not (yet, if ever) in the prod release.

Honestly I'm surprised this hasn't always been a thing for Windows Insiders, but perhaps that's why so many, sometimes major, bugs make it though the Insider program and into the general release, not enough telemetry.

 

[sjkpublic]

More telemetry? Huh? They already have a bunch of telemetry stuff going on. Just more data for there AI.

 

[ezst036]

More telemetry? Huh? They already have a bunch of telemetry stuff going on. Just more data for there AI.

Telemetry is this loaded word that is essentially a double edged sword. Tech journalists have overwhelmingly failed readers by not erecting a wall of separation between telemetry for statistical software quality and telemetry for adware. Realistically the journalists ought to be inventing a new word for the deceitful data theft stuff.

Microsoft trying to streamline bug zapping/performance measuring is not a bad thing. (1)

Conversely,

Microsoft trying to siphon your data so that they can greedily target you for more accurate advertising meaning they can charge an advertiser more money is an entirely bad thing. (2) And it something they are flat guilty of. If journalists would do a better job of never calling this telemetry we could stop fearing the first one. It may be a bit rosy glasses to call #1 innocent, but its not rooted in the classical one-sided greed found in the adware model. When Microsoft makes your software more performant or gets rid of bugs you do obviously reap the benefit of it.

Google started this or at least became the modern mainstream king of the adware model. Microsoft "merely" followed Google's adware model within Android and copied it thus turning their offering into Windows 11 Advertising Edition.

 

[Aurn]

Well, I hope you’ll be able to disable it ; by default, Windows already does a surprising amount of logging, which isn’t very good for SSDs

 

[abufrejoval]

Windows' ever increasing desire to phone home ever more exploitable insights into user behavior and desires is the most likely cause, so that's sure to fix it all.

 

[NightHawkRMX]

Adding telemetry to determine why Windows is slow seems counterintuitive. A main part of the reason why Windows is so slow sometimes is due to telemetry. If you forcefully disable the telemetry stuff it becomes noticably quicker on slower systems.