[citation][nom]D_Kuhn[/nom]The single biggest problem with "Consumer" PC boot times is all the crapware that gets preloaded onto them. I bought a cheap Gateway system from Best Buy about 3 months ago for a little project at work. Normally I immediately reimage any new machine to get rid of all that crap but in this case I did a quick experiment. I booted the machine and measured the time it took to get to various stages of startup... here's the results:CRAPWARE Vista Home Start-up:MS Logo - 0:18Cursor - 0:38Login Screen - 1:04Desktop - 1:28 secWelcome Dialog - 2:20Sidebar - 3:50Time to the last startup app popup - 4:20Shut-down47 secTHEN I reformatted the drive and with a clean Vista image:Clean Vista Business install:MS Logo - 0:14Cursor - 0:29Login - 0:45Desktop - 0:59Welcome Screen - 1:00Sidebar - 1:07Everything loaded - 1:07Shutdown - 14 secSo a cheapo $500 laptop boots 4x faster without all the crap that Gateway spooges all over Vista before you ever see it... no wonder most folks buying a new system think Vista is garbage.[/citation]
Same here... bought a notebook from Toshiba and it took 1:30 just to be erady (desktop). Now it does it in 49sec as i push the power button... all the pc's are full of crap, blame on the vendors...
I am going to agree that OEMs put way to much BLOATware on a pc. My first laptop was a Gateway..I'd hate to admit. I've since then learned my lesson. I just installed Vista 64 last week and it boots just as fast as my XP Pro did. I can't really tell a difference so far in loading times.
Ditto on the OEM bloatware. Although the corporate world here isnt a whole lot better. Most people where I work dont shut their PCs down at nite because it takes so long for them to start back up.
I remember getting some compaq laptops (yes that was a while ago) to setup for a company i worked for. It took 1.5 HOURS to start the first time. But after spending a week with some disk imaging software i could unpack a new laptop, and hand to the end user fully configured and ready to go in 15min.
I hope they also plan on making RAID0 the standard in every desktop by the time WIndows 7 comes...HA. There are so many other issues involved in boot times its not even funny. My PC can install XP in 5 mins, and it takes like 2 mins to boot it....
I had a woman come into our shop last week with a cheapo Compaq laptop that had a Celeron M, 512MB RAM and Vista Home Basic. She hated Vista so her son installed XP and then (for some strange reason) installed OS X Leopard. When I got it, I reinstalled Vista and added 512MB RAM. It flew! It was as fast as some of my desktop machines. So yes, blame it on the manufacturers for loading crap on to their computers and giving Vista a bad rap. Is it really worth a few dollars in cost savings which might make your potential customer look to another brand? I wouldn't think so.
I guess there's also a difference between using a 4200rpm 1.8" notebook drive and a 10krpm desktop raptor. New drive, full drive, SSD drive, totally fragmented drive - 15 seconds can mean anything without more specific details.
Some machines work great out of the box (laptops), then after I load all my apps and am ready to actually do things it slows down to a crawl. I remember working with one XP laptop that took 4 minutes to boot because some driver/service conflict at startup froze the damn thing for almost 2 minutes. I never could figure out exactly what it was.
I've seen rogue software wreak havoc with the registry to the point where it would require a reinstall or backup-restore to fix the problem.
Microsoft has yet to revolutionize the windows registry, give users tools to easily diagnose and repair problems with it or keep it running at top speed. Just eliminating the registry altogether would solve A TON of problems.
But hey, 15 seconds still beats having to take a dump after you hit the power button...
[citation][nom]NeoDude007[/nom]I hope they also plan on making RAID0 the standard in every desktop by the time WIndows 7 comes...HA. There are so many other issues involved in boot times its not even funny. My PC can install XP in 5 mins, and it takes like 2 mins to boot it....[/citation]
That would be good for performance but it could be a nightmare without adding a raid1 or even just a third single disk to go along with it.
Most people who put two drives in a raid0 and call it good will learn that lesson real quick...even though some may make it a while before it tanks.
The problem is that you have to contend with more or less doubling the probability of losing power in the middle of a write cycle, and double the probability of a total drive failure (or even a partial failure). Not to mention that in almost all systems the raid is integrated, software based, and added on as cheaply as possible. I know people on some of the cheaper mobos who get bent over by their raid controller at least every six months and have to re-image from their backup drive.
The high end hardware controllers and enterprise drives will fare better, but its still unwise to run a system on a lone raid0 without really good, current backups.
D_Kuhn, I tried to vote you up twice but the forum app won't let me
You nailed it. Microsoft is getting criticized but they're not always the problem.
Windows 7 should have a "decrapifier" application built-in. This way
end-users will be happier, Microsoft protects its reputation, HP and Dell and the rest would still install the junk and be paid for it (but less, I'm guessing). Is this a win-win or what?
[citation][nom]aevm[/nom]D_Kuhn, I tried to vote you up twice but the forum app won't let me You nailed it. Microsoft is getting criticized but they're not always the problem. Windows 7 should have a "decrapifier" application built-in. This way end-users will be happier, Microsoft protects its reputation, HP and Dell and the rest would still install the junk and be paid for it (but less, I'm guessing). Is this a win-win or what?[/citation]
I remember using a prebuilt eMachines(now for casual use website server) and it took about 3 minutes to load up...it takes about 40 seconds to load up now,on XP SP3...And that's with 1.5 gigs of RAM and a 3.2 Ghz Celeron (based on pentium,3.2Ghz aswell,is NOT as fast as you think it is for a single core )
What I have wondered is why you cannot tell Windows to not re-detect the hardware and look for new hardware each time you boot. The plug and play feature takes time.
For my old P4 3.0 system running XP Pro, I have to wait for the various startup programs to run after it boots to the desktop (I wait for their icons to appear in the task bar). These include Norton IS (the worst offender that seems more like crapware at times than a necessary protection program). If they could do away with the need for anti-virus and internet security software, all of our PCs would be faster.
[citation][nom]DXrick[/nom] These include Norton IS (the worst offender that seems more like crapware at times than a necessary protection program). If they could do away with the need for anti-virus and internet security software, all of our PCs would be faster.[/citation]
Totally with you there. Antiviruses hog startup time like a beeyotch. Thank Dog there's not too many security issues with Linux. That's why I switched to a dual boot XP/Ubuntu setup. I use XP for games, and Ubuntu for everything else.
D_Kuhn, are you talking about the Vista OEM for System Builders?
Because I use that for my PC, and the 3 others I built in the house. I use the same disc, but seperate keys. I also had one of the PCs die completely thanks to lightning, yet was able to install Vista again using the same key on a different new PC I built.
But, there are so many OEM versions, it makes my head spin. >
Personally I just wish they do away with 32 bit OS'es all together. Vista 64 is a great OS, but all manufacturers submit are drivers/programs for only 32 bit OS'es. (I boot to Login in about 40 Seconds, most of that is I have the mem check enabled, 8GB of RAM takes a while) Great boot speeds, terrible implementation (very little 64 bit support) by any company. As a side note, good luck finding a registry fix tool for 64 bit.