Microsoft Redefines ''PC'' to be ''Personalized Computing''

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[citation][nom]halcyon[/nom]Just because people don't care for the new UI doesn't mean they haven't tried it. Its not a case of "If you try it you'll like it.". It's a case of, "I tried it, I don't like it.". It seems silly I had to explain that but it is what it is. There's no fuss, its not forced upon me, I have 7 and OS X so I don't have to use Windows 8. In fact, Microsoft is helping to save me money since I won't be downgrading to Windows 8.[/citation]
Just because you have tried doesn't mean that everyone else who complains have done the same. It seems silly that I have to do the explanation for you to understand a simple fact.

You don't like it, it's fine. At least you have tried it and in that case, my statement doesn't apply to you, which is fair. So there's really no need for you to come on out and explain to me that you have tried. I'm not interested to know. You don't want to go Windows 8? Yea, keep your money for something else then. No one is forcing you to.
 
[citation][nom]mariojp[/nom]All credibility is lost when people complain about a missing start menu. Crazy.[/citation]
Well, to put it correctly, it's not a missing start menu. It's a missing start button, replaced by a small preview window. The start menu has been replaced by a full screen menu in metro style. Think about it, none of the features were removed, they were replaced with something else, for better or worse.

Most techies hardly use mouse anyway. They'll feel right at home with Win 8.
 
[citation][nom]alikum[/nom]Just because you have tried doesn't mean that everyone else who complains have done the same. It seems silly that I have to do the explanation for you to understand a simple fact.You don't like it, it's fine. At least you have tried it and in that case, my statement doesn't apply to you, which is fair. So there's really no need for you to come on out and explain to me that you have tried. I'm not interested to know. You don't want to go Windows 8? Yea, keep your money for something else then. No one is forcing you to.[/citation]
Why would anyone complain about something they haven't tried? Is it not safe to infer that people dislike the changes because they've experienced them?
 
You know these articles holds no paperweight. The critics would actually have some weight to carry if Microsoft decided to eliminate the desktop and that be the screen you be staring. But nope. Silly people complaining about change as little as "no start menu"

What if Windows 8 was just another traditional Windows. What would people say now. "Its Windows 8 with enhancement no need to upgrade. They should start thinking about tablets.
 



I would like to see a poll of how many likes vs dislikes it. Not talking about the techs, but the masses here. If they like it then they like it if not then MS needs to change that.
 
[citation][nom]halcyon[/nom]Why would anyone complain about something they haven't tried? Is it not safe to infer that people dislike the changes because they've experienced them?[/citation]
Because it is indeed the truth. Ask those who dislike it, ask them if they have really tried Windows 8. Do a poll or something, if you want.
 
The original meaning of PC (as Personal Computer) came from a time when the status quo were mainframe and mini computers used for batch or time shared computing. Personal Computer simply meant that all the computer's resources were for a single person (be that at work or at home).

And back by demand, PC was in used LONG before the advent of the ATX form factor. There was the XT form factor and AT form factor. PC doesn't have anything to do with any form factor. The TRS-80, Commodore PET, Apple II, hell even the Timex Sinclair 1000 were all PC's. You (the person) had all of the resources of those systems at your disposal.
 
[citation][nom]mariojp[/nom]You know these articles holds no paperweight. The critics would actually have some weight to carry if Microsoft decided to eliminate the desktop and that be the screen you be staring. But nope. Silly people complaining about change as little as "no start menu"What if Windows 8 was just another traditional Windows. What would people say now. "Its Windows 8 with enhancement no need to upgrade. They should start thinking about tablets.[/citation]
Catch 22 anyone?

Well, now the ball is at manufacturers' feet to push. We'll see the results in 2013.
 
If touch screen all-in-ones become popular Windows 8 will gain traction. The idea of fingerprints on my screen doesn't appeal to me but I'm the exception, not the rule.
 
as long as the desktop is still there and fully functional is all i care. The new UI is interesting though. I do like how you can arrange the tiles, even leave it blank. From the looks of it. When you go to the desktop it looks much cleaner. The aero is semi gone but it is still there. I have to say the desktop is better than 7.
 
[citation][nom]mariojp[/nom]as long as the desktop is still there and fully functional is all i care. The new UI is interesting though. I do like how you can arrange the tiles, even leave it blank. From the looks of it. When you go to the desktop it looks much cleaner. The aero is semi gone but it is still there. I have to say the desktop is better than 7.[/citation]
Not to mention the start up time. On the same laptop, i7 Sandy 2670M, 7200RPM HDD, it took me close to 30 secs to boot up Windows 7. It only took me about 10 secs (or less) to boot up Windows 8. Yes, I agree. As long as desktop is fully functional, that's all I care. It took me 2 days to get used to the new UI. Ever since then, I just can't get used to the Windows 7 at home. I feel that Windows 7 is a tad more sluggish and I am less productive compared to 8.
 
The fact is, PC sales continue to grow. The smart phone and tablet aren't replacing them.

Are smart phone sales growing faster? Sure, but they are much newer to the market and fewer people have them. They also were, frankly, released early on marginal hardware, so the desire to update to something that actually works well is strong.

But, the silly thing is, people are making up new pie charts comparing things that aren't really related, except by defining them both as computers on a basic level. You might as well throw in LCD TVs, or toasters, or a variety of other things with a chip in them.
 


Revisit that statement after the iphone 5 launches. I bet there is going to be a full crowd holding their iphone 4 outside the Apple store. 1 day Apple sales blows away anything trying to get in its way. Just saying.
 
Wanna know if a journalist / analyst is biased? Look at his articles and the phone he's using.

Wolfgang is probably holding an iPhone ... Just a guess.
 
[citation][nom]alikum[/nom]Wanna know if a journalist / analyst is biased? Look at his articles and the phone he's using.Wolfgang is probably holding an iPhone ... Just a guess.[/citation]

He is - Everything he types is about undermining the competition of his favourite brand one way or the other. Nothing new really, would be fun to know if he is just another "sheep" or if he is actually paid to smudge the competition in every way.
 

Apple have less than a fifth of the market even in smartphone sales. For an individual company they're doing great, but compared to the Android crowd or Wintel they're still small potatoes - just not irrelevant like they were 10 years ago.
 
No matter how you feel about the Windows 8 interface, I'm betting five years from now we're going to look back at its arrival as a watershed moment in the evolution of personal computing. It will either be the moment that Microsoft irrevocably lost its chokehold on the desktop OS market, or it will be the acknowledged first major step towards a unified personal computing experience, with one OS for your pc, tablet, phone, tv, gaming console, home automation system, car, etc.

While they don't have a great history with forcing their own hardware into the hands of the public, they have always done a good job of strongarming their partners into doing it for them, and I can see this being a short-term loss and long-term gain for MS, as more devices inherit the OS and make their way onto shelves.
 
Another BS opinion expressed. I for one refuse to drink the Kool-aid.

Playing with, working on and actively watching the development and change in personal computers for just over 30 years now, in my opinion this end of PCs as a class of devices is way off base. (They're just playing to the generally uninformed public opinion.)

Here are just a few reasons (as things stand right now):
1) Market penetration: PCs have probably just finally reached 80-90% of businesses where daily use could be justified here in the US. (Many nations have much lower potential market penetration.)

2) Tablets: Tablets may be the up-and-coming thing for presenters, UPS delivery personnel, and the non-IT, non-productivity focused crowd, but platforms which fail to provide the basic utility of the PC (a real keyboard, a real mouse, real networking, and data storage flexibility like the innate ability to write to permanent media, or the ability to customize or easily attach accessories, etc) will not replace the PCs generally in the businesses which actually need them.

(Mark my words there will be many places which attempt that, largely for the cool factor, only to end up going back to PCs or deciding to have both, after finding they really couldn't do it all on tablets after all. We have already run into this at my organization.)

3) Smart phones: Smart phones are getting smarter, but they aren't going to kill PCs either, at least again not for anyone who actually needs a PC.

4) Smart devices: Other smart devices like internet enabled televisions and gaming platforms aren't going to do it either generally, again with the exception of those who only desire basic couch driven internet access.

What it really comes down to is the power and flexibility of the platform, and the suitability of the device for a wide range of activities. For any business, or person who wants and needs a fully functional, yet flexible device a PC still remains the best and only real option.

On the horizon (in maybe 10 years or so) we will be facing at least one ‘future’ technology which should truly cement the need for advanced personal computing for a rather long time. Enabling that technology will require much more than the smart phone of the day. That technology is VR, and it is coming. Just wait.

As I read in the early 90s, once it takes hold it will ‘eat TV alive’ and the questions we will need to be concerned with won’t be which device is going to replace our personal computers, but how long can I live without my VR portal into the world, and which aspects of our lives should or will remain the same.


 
[citation][nom]mariojp[/nom]Revisit that statement after the iphone 5 launches. I bet there is going to be a full crowd holding their iphone 4 outside the Apple store. 1 day Apple sales blows away anything trying to get in its way. Just saying.[/citation]
And yellow no. 2 pencils outsell tractors every day. Just saying.
 
So will IBM stand for I Buy Music from now on, or MSFT will mean More Shenanigans For Tools? This is pure rubbish, you can't just suddenly out of nowhere change meaning of words just to suit your FUBAR product. And mr Gruener will you ever grow a pair and call things by their proper name? Or admit that THG has become advertiser of certain companies?

[citation][nom]tydalwave[/nom]I feel I am one of the few THG readers that actually want Microsoft to succeed. Having Apple have such a hold on my base ( AB in Germany ), I'm affraid that soon that's all I will have the option of buying on base. I like the 'better' product, and so far from MY experiences, Microsoft has done a better job, with Apple trying to give the same experience for a HUGE premium, and zero customizability. I bet if they had a start button on Windows 8, people would say that they weren't advancing enough...[/citation]
New Windows iteration will become advanced enough once security mechanisms and auditing tools become transparent sufficiently to be used at all. Security and performance advancements should be primary concern of MS, not ridiculous new UI that is unsuitable for desktops.
 
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