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I was able to run windows 11 on Intel 4th through 7th gen CPU with 0 issues since windows 11 came out. The only problem I encountered was with AMD A12 laptop where it's showing black screen as soon as the video driver is loaded.
 
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Intel Skylake production was released in 2015 and discontinued in 2019. In 2019 you could still buy new computers with TPM 1.2. Even the fastest CPUs today are barely 60% faster on one core. Maybe security is better with WIndows 11, but deprecating 80% of existing hardware cannot in any way be described as Eco or Green. For the most part this is only a transition to subscription based OS.
 
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Intel 8th-gen/Ryzen 2nd gen or better puts the cutoff at about six years from release, call it seven when support actually ends… although older TPM 1.2 processors remained on sale new for a decent while longer, as well as off-lease refurbs from business fleets turning over. Haswell may be showing its age, but the useful life of hardware has been getting longer and it’s very possible to have a Skylake/Kaby Lake owner who bought on the trailing edge feel like the rug is getting pulled out from them early.

If support for TPM 1.2 is finicky and requires registry edits, most average users won’t do it. There’s gonna be a ton of unsupported Win10 systems once Microsoft pulls the plug.

My work PC is actually a Kaby-Lake Xeon, so guess that means IT has to bump the whole engineering group to Emerald Rapids now. I’m sure they’re gonna love that when they see the quote.
 
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atmapuri said:
Intel Skylake production was released in 2015 and discontinued in 2019. In 2019 you could still buy new computers with TPM 1.2. Even the fastest CPUs today are barely 60% faster on one core. Maybe security is better with WIndows 11, but deprecating 80% of existing hardware cannot in any way be described as Eco or Green. For the most part this is only a transition to subscription based OS.
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This has nothing to do with transitioning to subscription based OS. Microsoft would prefer everyone just get Windows 11 so they no longer have to update 10.
 
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Intel 8th-gen/Ryzen 2nd gen or better puts the cutoff at about six years from release, call it seven when support actually ends… although older TPM 1.2 processors remained on sale new for a decent while longer, as well as off-lease refurbs from business fleets turning over. Haswell may be showing its age, but the useful life of hardware has been getting longer and it’s very possible to have a Skylake/Kaby Lake owner who bought on the trailing edge feel like the rug is getting pulled out from them early.

If support for TPM 1.2 is finicky and requires registry edits, most average users won’t do it. There’s gonna be a ton of unsupported Win10 systems once Microsoft pulls the plug.

My work PC is actually a Kaby-Lake Xeon, so guess that means IT has to bump the whole engineering group to Emerald Rapids now. I’m sure they’re gonna love that when they see the quote.
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You can also add a TPM to the motherboard.
 
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atmapuri said:
Intel Skylake production was released in 2015 and discontinued in 2019. In 2019 you could still buy new computers with TPM 1.2. Even the fastest CPUs today are barely 60% faster on one core. Maybe security is better with WIndows 11, but deprecating 80% of existing hardware cannot in any way be described as Eco or Green. For the most part this is only a transition to subscription based OS.
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On the other hand, you can switch to another OS or ignore security and continue to run it. It has also been possible to install Windows 11 as needed on unsupported hardware. It will probably break auto updates so it's not suitable for businesses, but it can work for individuals. Maybe it can even be automated by third parties, like the people who make Tiny11 builds.

This move can be a boon since it should lead to a flood of hardware on the used market. Pick up a nice, slim 7th gen office system for $100 or less. The worst ecological outcome would be that the hardware gets thrown into a dumpster instead of being listed on ebay, Craigslist, Freecycle, etc. and not rescued before complete ruination. So do the planet a favor and keep an eye on the situation before October 2025.

no choice but to pay a $30 yearly to Microsoft in order to receive security patches in the form of ESUs (Extended Security Upgrades)
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I wonder if it's possible to get these updates without paying.
 
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People said the same thing 10 years ago, with Win 10.
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Yes they did, but the world (and Microsoft) has moved on a long way since then - especially in subscription models. When W10 came out home users could easily buy Office for example. That no longer exists for home users from Microsoft. Yes it still exists on volume license / action pack / dodgy websites etc, but times are moving on at a pace.

For me, I've mumbled and grumbled about it loads of times, but I'm actually re-formatting my home laptop now to Regatta OS. I've used / sold / supported W11 extensively and I know that even with a 'free' W11 Enterprise activation from the MS action pack we sub to, I'd rather give the penguin a twirl on the desktop. Outlook used to be my keep-me-on-Windows app, but even that is getting poorer and poorer - the web version is hopeless with the amount of mail I work with and the install version is a buggy mess compared to Office 2019.
 
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hen W10 came out home users could easily buy Office for example. That no longer exists for home users from Microsoft.
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https://www.microsoft.com/EN-US/mic...s?icid=MSCOM_QL_M365&culture=en-us&country=us

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While my newest build runs 11, the differences between it and 10 for the typical user are unnoticeable, once I changed a few personalize settings most of it is more intuitive, surprisingly enough. After two days of using it the newness was quickly forgotten and nothing has changed for my day to day PC use.
My back up desk PC and laptop both run 10 more than well enough and neither will run 11 because of the restrictions, even though both are strong enough to handle the OS, so it will be Linux or the landfill, and I am not throwing perfectly usable hardware away. I'm also not going to fight with MS by making 11 work through regedits etc, even though I am capable, most of the world won't ever do that either.
I find it hard to believe 60% of the PC world userbase will just toss out their machines and go buy new ones. Most will just run them into the ground and if they get clogged up with garbage they will simply reinstall and go again even if they have to do that every few months.
 
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CPUs with TPM 2.0 support - Intel's 8th Gen (Coffee Lake) and AMD's Ryzen 2000 (Zen+) processors or later
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Intel has had built-in TPM 2.0 via their Platform Trust Technology (PTT) since at least skylake/6th gen, and AMD since Ryzen 1000/Zen I believe. Or you could just add a discrete TPM so long as your mobo has a header.

The cutoff of Core 8th gen/Ryzen 2k was due to something other than TPM. I think it was purportedly related to either hardware exploit mitigations (e.g. for the first big speculative execution exploits like specter/meltdown) and/or some virtualization feature.

As an aside, it looks like Intel has decided to scrub their site of any reference to PTT, and removed it from CPU spec pages for some reason? I know my i7 6700K has TPM 2.0 via PTT and I'm pretty sure it use to say as much on the Intel specs page, but now it's gone. I don't remember what AMD had for fTPM documentation, but that now seems gone as well?
 
Half to love when we get another round of discussion of the Windows 11 non supported CPU/ TMP chip.

Nothing has changed from the last heated thread about this subject.

Those that are willing to make it work on older CPU do.

Those that run from it because to out of there comfort zone.

Those that are go by the book followers and Microsoft said it so I must get the latest parts and my shiny protected copy of Windows 11.

Nothing wrong with each camp to each there own.
 
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TPM isn't inherently the problem, but they've arbitrarily cut off CPU generations which absolutely support TPM 2.0. TPM 2.0 isn't even Microsoft's true minimum requirement, 1.2 is. I still contend the biggest issue with the requirements on Windows 11 is requiring people to jump through hoops to install it on older hardware while threatening they'll maybe take updates away if you do use it.
 
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Different for different countries I guess. Here in the UK, that link only gives subscribe options

Actually I do see it now after 50 feet of scrolling there's a table that has it mentioned. I'm going to stick the point on that one though - subs are much more prevalent now than 10 years ago, especially from MS.
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Yes, more prevalent.
And MS isn't even the worst.

Adobe and CAD vendors are far far worse with subscriptions.
 
kyzarvs said:
Yes they did, but the world (and Microsoft) has moved on a long way since then - especially in subscription models. When W10 came out home users could easily buy Office for example. That no longer exists for home users from Microsoft. Yes it still exists on volume license / action pack / dodgy websites etc, but times are moving on at a pace.

For me, I've mumbled and grumbled about it loads of times, but I'm actually re-formatting my home laptop now to Regatta OS. I've used / sold / supported W11 extensively and I know that even with a 'free' W11 Enterprise activation from the MS action pack we sub to, I'd rather give the penguin a twirl on the desktop. Outlook used to be my keep-me-on-Windows app, but even that is getting poorer and poorer - the web version is hopeless with the amount of mail I work with and the install version is a buggy mess compared to Office 2019.
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About mail. You should give Thunderbird a try.
 
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atmapuri said:
For the most part this is only a transition to subscription based OS.
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subs are much more prevalent now than 10 years ago, especially from MS.
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More prevalent, but that doesn't make them popular. Like when BMW tried to introduce a subscription for things like heated seats, which they eventually had to U-turn on.

While I'm in no doubt that MS would love everyone to be paying subscription fees to run Windows, there's no clear way for them to get that to happen.

Make Win 11 subscription - i.e. tell people that the computer they've been using free for years will soon refuse to work unless they start paying MS a monthly fee - and there will be uproar.

Make Win 12 subscription, people just won't upgrade to it.

Say 'Oh, Win 11 remains free but people need to pay for security updates' and many people just won't bother paying. Despite everything, MS wants people's PCs to be secure because it's MS who looks bad when they're not.

People are used to Android or iOS on their other devices. MS really wants to avoid a tipping point where Chromebooks and Linux start to become widely discovered by casual consumers as practical alternatives for their PCs. Even if they kept hold of the business market, over time a greater market share of another OS means more software developed for it which means more chance for businesses moving across to it.

Subscriptions are more prevalent, but for things that can be viewed as optional such as TV channels, gym memberships, or an investment, such as professional suite software. A non-optional subscription on something the average person cannot do without for general life doesn't get viewed as a subscription, it gets viewed as a tax.
 
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