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[citation][nom]NeeKo[/nom]It wont go anywhere if GOOGLE does not join.[/citation]

Google owns Youtube, and Youtube is already moving towards HTML5. So, I don't think there are big issues there.

The bottom line is, no one likes Flash. It's a proprietary product, that makes every company outside of Adobe a little uncomfortable. So, it's in the best interest of these companies to move from Flash to an open standard, and they will. It's already started, and progressing. It will happen.
 
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I've always hated flash. It's a huge resource hog and it's really slow. Well actually I hate everything adobe ('cept photoshop.) I really want to see the established nonsense of adobe flash overthrown by html5 personally.
 

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I agree with leaving Flash in the dust. If it isn't the occasional "Shockwave Error," or a couple flash videos open taking obscene amounts of memory with it, or even better, having to use Task Manager to manually close Opera thanks to said flash, then there is...I forgot my point. Lets just say it makes my porn enjoyment suffer. Only porn.
 

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Did anyone here really expect a different outcome. Flash has had its time. The curtain is falling. See, the fat lady is clearing her throat.

These final sabre rattles are symptomatic of death throes. Adobe could always get on board and create some useful, clean HTML5 authoring tools if they want to remain relevant.
 

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[citation][nom]brother shrike[/nom]If ie9 only supports H.264 HTML5, that's going to make it more difficult for FireFox's Ogg Theora implementation...[/citation]

Sorry to say, Ogg Theora is currently horrible. Time will tell if improvements warrant its inclusion. I'm all for open, but please, let's not take backward steps.
 

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[citation][nom]djtronika[/nom]Soooo, you guys are now okay with apple not liking flash. God I love it. Long live the sway of the human mind.[/citation]
Its so funny how hating flash is now ok, once Microsoft has given its blessing!
 

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The problem is not the HTML5 it self. The problem is the H.264. I understand why MS and Apple want it, but we (as users) will make the biggest mistake if we don't stop it.
Today, intellectual property rights for H.264 are broadly available through a well-defined program managed by MPEG LA. The rights to other codecs are often less clear, as has been described in the press.
This is typical FUD from Microsoft. The 'other' codec referred here is Ogg Theora, which is based on VP3 codec from On2 Technology and all IP is donated to the public domain already.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theora
The question why MS and Apple are blocking the use of Ogg Theora?
On2 Technology had developed better codec VP8 and Google purchased On2 Technology in February 2010. The second reason and more scary for MS is if the Web is based on free codec Linux will continue to commoditize the desktop and drive the price of Windows down.
Now is the time for Google to make most critical decision about their own future. They have to release the VP8 as open and free codec. Switch YouTube and work with hardware vendors to provide hardware acceleration. If Google fails to do this they will loose any chances to have long-term sustainable video business.
 

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"Flash does have some issues, particularly around reliability, security, and performance."

Yeah, ummm..."some" issues? This basically covers everything that makes a product and adobe fails at them all...
 

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It's funny how Apple claims to eb all for "open", but supports H.264. If they were for "open" they would support the Ogg codec.

Microsoft is probably trying to pressure Adobe to secure their programs. How many times have you see Flash needing to be patched?

Interestly enough, the note doesn't state anything about killing Flash support. It just states that it believes in the use of the same codec as Apple, not that Flash is bad. The title seems a bit misleading....
 

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[citation][nom]TA152H[/nom]Google owns Youtube, and Youtube is already moving towards HTML5. So, I don't think there are big issues there. The bottom line is, no one likes Flash. It's a proprietary product, that makes every company outside of Adobe a little uncomfortable. So, it's in the best interest of these companies to move from Flash to an open standard, and they will. It's already started, and progressing. It will happen.[/citation]
H.264 is not open, but is standard.
 

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[citation][nom]djtronika[/nom]Soooo, you guys are now okay with apple not liking flash. God I love it. Long live the sway of the human mind.[/citation]

When does IE9 come out? How far will YouTubes conversion to HTML5 be by then? How long has iPhone been out?

I rest my case.
 

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[citation][nom]rdawise[/nom]H.264 is not open, but is standard.[/citation]

HTML5 was the subject, not H.264. HTML5 IS open, and does not necessarily have to use H.264. Microsoft is implementing it this way, but that doesn't mean everyone else will, or that they are the same.
 

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[citation][nom]djtronika[/nom]Soooo, you guys are now okay with apple not liking flash. God I love it. Long live the sway of the human mind.[/citation]

You know, I read stuff like this and wonder how you don't see the hypocrisy in what you're saying.

I don't care what Apple thinks, you clearly do. You value them so much, you have to go against it, regardless of issue? They hold so much sway over you, you resent people that don't automatically go against what they say?

Sorry, HTML5 makes more sense on a lot of levels. Flash has a lot of problems that have nothing to do with Apple. I don't care what Apple likes or doesn't like, they're certainly neither right all the time, or wrong all the time. I can actually make my own decisions based on other criteria.
 

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Adobe Flash will be around for over 10 years. No on is gonna convert Flash content on the web. Of all the various private government organizations they will not convert the flash theyve used. Its like a permanent part of the web. Everyone is gonna stop developing flash sure for the most part but flash is gonna stick around....
 

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[citation][nom]djtronika[/nom]Soooo, you guys are now okay with apple not liking flash. God I love it. Long live the sway of the human mind.[/citation]
Whether Apple likes or dislikes Flash is not the point. Microsoft (or most other sane companies) would never release a device (today) that did not support Flash. That's just stupid.
 
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