Microsoft Updates Start Area, Default Apps Settings In Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 10122

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The latest preview build of Windows 10 features updates to the Start area and an improvement in the settings for default apps.

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[TechyInAZ]

Looks interesting. Downloading it on my VM and laptop now.

 

[Martell1977]

I plan to try it out when released with the free upgrade on my laptop. With the AMD GPU issue, I have a feeling my desktop wont do well with it being Crossfire 6870's. Plus, I want to see what changes I can make and tinker with it to fit my taste. Still not a fan of blocks on my screen (I'm bit OCD about icons on my screen and keep it to a minimum). But I will give it a shot, assuming it will run on a laptop from 2008 with a C2D T9500 with nVidia 8600m GT.

 

[tntom]

Edge browser is terrible on my APU powered system. Looking forward to this update.

 

[littleleo]

I hear they are going to charge for the updates for Windows 10. I would expect the security updates should still be free since it's fixing a hole in their design. Usually I wait until service pack 1 before I buy a new O/S, but I'm not sure if that will be possible for Windows 10.

 

[Christopher1]

I plan to try it out when released with the free upgrade on my laptop. With the AMD GPU issue, I have a feeling my desktop wont do well with it being Crossfire 6870's. Plus, I want to see what changes I can make and tinker with it to fit my taste. Still not a fan of blocks on my screen (I'm bit OCD about icons on my screen and keep it to a minimum). But I will give it a shot, assuming it will run on a laptop from 2008 with a C2D T9500 with nVidia 8600m GT.

Believe me, they will fix the issue with ATi/AMD before release, they would be insane not to.

 

[Martell1977]

I hear they are going to charge for the updates for Windows 10. I would expect the security updates should still be free since it's fixing a hole in their design. Usually I wait until service pack 1 before I buy a new O/S, but I'm not sure if that will be possible for Windows 10.

If I upgrade and MS tries to tack on fees for things that are currently free or a subscription, I will be immediately going back to Windows 7. I understand they are giving the upgrades for free, but they should announce any and all fees before people start changing over. I like the current model, buy a license and you're good until you want, need or have to upgrade. It's not the most profitable model for MS but that's not my concern.

@Christopher1 - I know they will fix it as best they can but I have a feeling that Crossfire will be unstable for some time after the single card issue is fixed. It's probably a driver issue and Crossfire fixes tend to lag behind quite a bit.

 

[f-14]

I plan to try it out when released with the free upgrade on my laptop. With the AMD GPU issue, I have a feeling my desktop wont do well with it being Crossfire 6870's. Plus, I want to see what changes I can make and tinker with it to fit my taste. Still not a fan of blocks on my screen (I'm bit OCD about icons on my screen and keep it to a minimum). But I will give it a shot, assuming it will run on a laptop from 2008 with a C2D T9500 with nVidia 8600m GT.

Believe me, they will fix the issue with ATi/AMD before release, they would be insane not to.

you mean like how they had drivers for vista, and 8 ?
microsoft doesn't fix anything until it starts hurting sales.
so who is making drivers made for windows 10? obviously not AMD

 

[marraco]

Windows 10 is a hell.

You cannot uninstall any of that addware (aps). If you right click on them, and choose "uninstall", only the icon is removed. All the space on disk keeps occupied. No file is deleted, and they take like a gigabyte of your expensive SSD.

Worse, later you find some of those "apps" running, even after you "uninstalled" them.

That behavior is unacceptable, and there should be only one way to uninstall software. There is no point in making different installation/uninstallation procedures.
¿How do you remove software that is not on the classic Control Panel install window, and you cannot find any icon to "uninstall"? There is no way, suck it.


Some "apps" can only be partially removed with complicated, undocumented, command line hocus pocus, and most simply cannot be removed.


Windows, 10, following the bad design of Windows 8, makes everything harder to use. Every thing is now as complicated as in Linux. Just try to change the default search engine in Spartan. There is no way but a manual registry edition.
Best solution: keep using Firefox and Chrome.

 

[blackbit75]

Ok, Windows 10 is interesting, but what about Ubuntu 8.0 'Jessie', There could be a review and changes in the OS.

Today Linux is gaining market and is perfect and free, for interneting and usual office apps, that comes preinstalled.

Cheers.

 

[marraco]

delete

 

[xchoice]

omg i have a new "windows default lock screen" app!..... (nothing more to say about it....)

 

[LordConrad]

I hate the new user interface in Windows 10. I'll have to be familiar with it because I'm a computer tech, but I'll never run Windows 10 on anything other than a VM. I'd rather switch to Apple.

At least in Windows 8 you have a choice between using classic style or Modern UI applications and tools, in Windows 10 they are all Modern UI apps which I think looks very juvenile.

 

[marraco]

omg i have a new "windows default lock screen" app!..... (nothing more to say about it....)

Ironically, you will need an app to shutdown Windows 10 (as is in windows 8), because the shutdown do not really shuts down the computer, so it keeps eating the battery of portable computers.

No. I'm not confused with hibernation or sleep mode. Really, shutting down Windows 8 and 10 do not shuts down the computer, but puts it on a sleep mode which destroy the battery charge, so you need to use a command line to really shut down it for real.

 

[littleleo]

omg i have a new "windows default lock screen" app!..... (nothing more to say about it....)

Ironically, you will need an app to shutdown Windows 10 (as is in windows 8), because the shutdown do not really shuts down the computer, so it keeps eating the battery of portable computers.

No. I'm not confused with hibernation or sleep mode. Really, shutting down Windows 8 and 10 do not shuts down the computer, but puts it on a sleep mode which destroy the battery charge, so you need to use a command line to really shut down it for real.

That is the lamest thing I've ever heard is this real?

 

[LordConrad]

omg i have a new "windows default lock screen" app!..... (nothing more to say about it....)

Ironically, you will need an app to shutdown Windows 10 (as is in windows 8), because the shutdown do not really shuts down the computer, so it keeps eating the battery of portable computers.

No. I'm not confused with hibernation or sleep mode. Really, shutting down Windows 8 and 10 do not shuts down the computer, but puts it on a sleep mode which destroy the battery charge, so you need to use a command line to really shut down it for real.

That is the lamest thing I've ever heard is this real?

No, Windows 8 Fast Boot is a hybrid of Shutdown and Hibernate. The computer really is off (mostly), but it's not a true "Shutdown". For example, you can't access the Windows Recovery Menu during boot-up unless you temporarily or permanently disable Fast Boot.

I say mostly because computers use "soft" power switches which are monitored by the computer itself. It's been years since computers had "hard" power switches, the only "hard" switches on today's computers are on the power supplies of desktop computers.

 

[photonboy]

Windows 10 Shut Down works fine.

I have no idea where you get your information because I've tested W8, W8.1 and W10 and several laptops and it shuts down completely. Sleep mode sleeps. Shut Down shuts down....

No idea what these "soft" power switches are that you refer to. Not quite sure you know what you're talking about. The physical power button on every computer I've ever seen is a simple switch. For things like a 4-second shutdown it's simply using an RC circuit as a timer (resistor and capacitor).

There's no power being drained when it's Off or in Hibernate. Only a small amount in Sleep mode.

As for "Fast Boot" that's got nothing to do with consuming power. Fast Boot simply avoids certain diagnostics to speed up starting your computer.

 

[yonef]

1. First, the Edge is not a problem, who cares anyway, we just going to use some othe browser!
2. This is NOT the only problem of Win10.
I'm using win10 since first preview up to date, and there are HUGE amount of problems with OS, and stuff that do NOT work and never been fixed for last 20 builds that came up. I'm SURE that they will not fix these isues, as if they were looked at Feedbacks will see thousands of reports for problems that are there from the beginning!
There are critical problems with this OS that keep being unaddressed with every build that follow. i.e: pinning folders to file explorer is not working, never worked. snapping windows is all buggy, regional and language settings are tottal mess...and so on and so on !

 

[LordConrad]

Windows 10 Shut Down works fine.

I have no idea where you get your information because I've tested W8, W8.1 and W10 and several laptops and it shuts down completely. Sleep mode sleeps. Shut Down shuts down....

No idea what these "soft" power switches are that you refer to. Not quite sure you know what you're talking about. The physical power button on every computer I've ever seen is a simple switch. For things like a 4-second shutdown it's simply using an RC circuit as a timer (resistor and capacitor).

There's no power being drained when it's Off or in Hibernate. Only a small amount in Sleep mode.

As for "Fast Boot" that's got nothing to do with consuming power. Fast Boot simply avoids certain diagnostics to speed up starting your computer.

Here's your proof of "soft" switches: Take two identical laptops. Make sure they're fully charged but don't turn them on. Remove the battery from one laptop and let them both sit unused for a couple weeks. Now replace the removed battery and boot up to compare power levels. The laptop with the battery left in will have less power, which would not be the case if "hard" switches were used. Hard switches completely disconnect the device from the power source, so there would be no difference in the power levels of these two laptops unless soft switches were used.

 

[someperson123]

Here's your proof of "soft" switches: Take two identical laptops. Make sure they're fully charged but don't turn them on. Remove the battery from one laptop and let them both sit unused for a couple weeks. Now replace the removed battery and boot up to compare power levels. The laptop with the battery left in will have less power, which would not be the case if "hard" switches were used. Hard switches completely disconnect the device from the power source, so there would be no difference in the power levels of these two laptops unless soft switches were used.
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So, some study into power draw might help:

1. All batteries do slowly seep power, even when not connected to anything. This is a tiny amount, but it's there.
2. A battery hooked up to a device will lose a little bit more power do to some components "leeching" a tiny bit of power after shutdown.

How much difference in power do you expect to see? It will likely be less than 5% between the two, which does not prove your experiment. A battery left attached to a unpowered laptop, a disconnected battery, or a "deep sleep" laptop will have negligible differences unless left along for an extreme length of time. "Deep sleep" modes on laptops may only consume slightly more power than a completely disconnected battery with the newest Ultra Book specs from Intel.

Window's Fast Boot does not affect the shutdown of a computer, merely the startup. Look into the power states of computers, which I believe range from S1 to S4 or some such. There are "deep sleep" modes that keep low amounts of power to RAM and CPU to allow for faster resuming of a session, but those are not forced on you by any means. Often times, you have to find convoluted steps in order to even activate these options.

 

[LordConrad]

Window's Fast Boot does not affect the shutdown of a computer, merely the startup. Look into the power states of computers, which I believe range from S1 to S4 or some such. There are "deep sleep" modes that keep low amounts of power to RAM and CPU to allow for faster resuming of a session, but those are not forced on you by any means. Often times, you have to find convoluted steps in order to even activate these options.

Read this: http://windowsitpro.com/windows-8/q-how-do-i-force-full-shutdown-windows-8-machine-including-closing-kernel-session-informat

 

[Brogan]

Wow, so it looks like I'll be staying with 7 for the next few years.

Too bad, I would have liked to try DX12 gaming...

 

[Martell1977]

Wow, so it looks like I'll be staying with 7 for the next few years.

Too bad, I would have liked to try DX12 gaming...

Since Windows 10 is a free upgrade, there is nothing to lose to try it and see if you can customize it to your liking. If I can shut off the tiles from the Start Menu and get it back more like normal plus a few other tweaks, it might be good.

Depending on the system requirements, I plan to try it out on my laptop, if I don't like it I can always remove it and put 7 back. Neither my laptop of desktop will be able to take advantage of DX12 due to their GPU's, but I'm hoping there are optimizations in Windows itself that will be nice and worthy of keeping.

I have not heard anything more about MS charging a sub fee, monthly or yearly, for Windows 10. If it doesn't happen, that is great. If they do end up charging, Windows 7 is where I'll stay.

 

[someperson123]

Read this: http://windowsitpro.com/windows-8/q-how-do-i-force-full-shutdown-windows-8-machine-including-closing-kernel-session-informat

I'm not sure you understand what that means. That is not using any additional power. It is simply referring to the kernel session information being saved to the harddisk before a shutdown so it can be resumed faster. It's not even "hibernating" the computer, as the user session is still shutdown like normal. The only time this may even be noticeable by a user is if there is a hardware change (i.e. new RAM or HDD) and the system does not reinitialize the kernel session properly, which does not happen that often.

Furthermore, this would have absolutely zero impact on power draw once the machine is shutdown. Even a full Hibernate (storing the user session to disk), does not impact power draw after shutdown. It writes all the current session data for that user to the harddisk and powers down as normal.

 

[LordConrad]

Read this: http://windowsitpro.com/windows-8/q-how-do-i-force-full-shutdown-windows-8-machine-including-closing-kernel-session-informat

I'm not sure you understand what that means. That is not using any additional power. It is simply referring to the kernel session information being saved to the harddisk before a shutdown so it can be resumed faster. It's not even "hibernating" the computer, as the user session is still shutdown like normal. The only time this may even be noticeable by a user is if there is a hardware change (i.e. new RAM or HDD) and the system does not reinitialize the kernel session properly, which does not happen that often.

Furthermore, this would have absolutely zero impact on power draw once the machine is shutdown. Even a full Hibernate (storing the user session to disk), does not impact power draw after shutdown. It writes all the current session data for that user to the harddisk and powers down as normal.

I never, not once, ever said it affected power draw. All I said was that it is not a "true" shutdown.