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[citation][nom]mcd023[/nom]booting into windows 8 is faster than windows 7 on a HDD or a SSD, at least, on both my lappy and desktop. however, with a HDD, you may still have to do some waiting for applications to run, but I think it's a little better than Win7[/citation]
If you have a freshly installed OS, it boots fast. Tell me that it is fast in 6-12 months.
If you have a freshly installed OS, it boots fast. Tell me that it is fast in 6-12 months.
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[citation][nom]dalethepcman[/nom]Welcome to IT.. Everyone whining and bitching about change need to remember these words, "Adapt or die." If you chose the latter then good for me, I chose to adapt. Let me know if the below line looks familiar, and seems comical to you."You'll never need more than 640K of memory"Now replace that with "You will never need anything greater than windows 7" or "You will never need touch sensors on a desktop."Plug your kinect into your windows 8 rtm box and you will see what Microsoft has planned. Honestly, I can hardly wait.[/citation]
Please stop misquoting Bill Gates. I know this has nothing to do with windows 8, but there is no evidence that he ever said anything about 640kb of ram being enough. It's not like he's an idiot. He's been denying that remark for 30 years.
Please stop misquoting Bill Gates. I know this has nothing to do with windows 8, but there is no evidence that he ever said anything about 640kb of ram being enough. It's not like he's an idiot. He's been denying that remark for 30 years.
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They should make up there minds eider desktop or the crappy new UI but at the moment they are both screwing each other over. Starting a browser inbdesctop and metro launches two separate instances ending up in you having to swing around the bothb of them . I think I will take a look at it when the first SP comes out ,maybe improved metro app support will help somewhat tho doubt it, again I'm not disputing that its faster in some cases but UI is abmess. I don't want to have to buy even more shit to clutter around my PC just so I can use it comfortably becouse M$ broke something that was working well.
[citation][nom]puggle man[/nom]Please stop misquoting Bill Gates. I know this has nothing to do with windows 8, but there is no evidence that he ever said anything about 640kb of ram being enough. It's not like he's an idiot. He's been denying that remark for 30 years.[/citation]
He did say something about 640k being enough for the next 5 years, which proved to be wrong. He never talked about never. =)
I think Win 8 will sell reasonably well, depending on the hardware coming out. I'd expect about 300 million Win 8 & RT in 2013.
He did say something about 640k being enough for the next 5 years, which proved to be wrong. He never talked about never. =)
I think Win 8 will sell reasonably well, depending on the hardware coming out. I'd expect about 300 million Win 8 & RT in 2013.
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"not happy at all , tablet OS , phone OS bla bla bla" .... is the world going retarded ? beside the Start menu button and some applications that work full screen from the UI the OS is just like another typical windows OS. You can`t give credit to MS for updating early an OS and not waiting a SP just because of a stupid Start screen, go crawl back in your caves and sit with XP/7 till the end of your days then and let us enthusiasts for new enjoy it.
[citation][nom]walter87[/nom]Not everyone has an SSD.I just recently upgraded to an SSD and can see the bootup times are much faster, however, with a standard harddrive, it would typically take my computer a few minutes from Windows 7 Flash screen to loading all my taskbar and notification icons (antivirus, steam, etc).I say you booting up in 15 seconds is simply over exaggerating (for an HDD). Your 9 second claim is way faster than what my Vertex 4 takes (when you take into account POST and windows flash screen and then desktop. Once the desktop is visible, then it may take 9 seconds to load everything and access my browser, but to say it takes 9 seconds from turning on to full Desktop is exaggeration...Sorry to say, I call BS on your claims.[/citation]
i checked my brothers computer recently, fresh install 7 loaded in under a minute.
now, on boot and various loads something cripples his harddrive to only be reading at 700kb
anyone complaining about boot and load times may want to look into that, because something is eating the hell out of your harddrives speed. [citation][nom]dalethepcman[/nom]Welcome to IT.. Everyone whining and bitching about change need to remember these words, "Adapt or die." If you chose the latter then good for me, I chose to adapt. Let me know if the below line looks familiar, and seems comical to you."You'll never need more than 640K of memory"Now replace that with "You will never need anything greater than windows 7" or "You will never need touch sensors on a desktop."Plug your kinect into your windows 8 rtm box and you will see what Microsoft has planned. Honestly, I can hardly wait.[/citation]
play a game with kinect and tell me you EVER want that as a computer interface... you tell me anything other than you laughed so hard you couldnt stand when trying it, you are lieing.
i dont mean that as a "touch has no place on the pc" either.
i mean that it has no place in its current incarnation.
kinect is inaccurate, and costs well over 150$ per unit, the only reason the console version is 150$ is because they subsidise it, they want to make it a standard for the console, the pc, they dont have that ability, so 250$ is what it came out at.
even than, im using a desktop, and i bought into many "next thing" desktop enviorments over the years, from 3d worlds, to complete overhauls, and i can say for a pc, touch will not work like it does on a cellphone.
you want touch on a desktop. you start at the monitors, not at the damned os like microsoft is.
get wacom technology in every monitor,
tablet controls don't work in something thats at a 90 degree angle.
but a pen interface for precision, and a finger touch for when its not required? that can work.
get desk mounts to clam onto the desktop, and allow you to bring the monitor out.
adapt or die... yea, apply that to good ideas, please... let the ideas that have proven to work for years appon years stay with us.
[citation][nom]bllue[/nom]The market spoke. The market likes Apple it's only logical for other companies to follow their path because there's more profit there. That said, they better not f*ck the Surface up. They better price it well[/citation]
people liked the ipod,
people liked the iphone
people liked the ipad
the apple pc line...
didnt they almost go into bankruptcy because no one wanted them?
[citation][nom]ohim[/nom]"not happy at all , tablet OS , phone OS bla bla bla" .... is the world going retarded ? beside the Start menu button and some applications that work full screen from the UI the OS is just like another typical windows OS. You can`t give credit to MS for updating early an OS and not waiting a SP just because of a stupid Start screen, go crawl back in your caves and sit with XP/7 till the end of your days then and let us enthusiasts for new enjoy it.[/citation]
enthusiasts build their own computer, not buy it with windows 8 preinstalled.
[citation][nom]Bloob[/nom]He did say something about 640k being enough for the next 5 years, which proved to be wrong. He never talked about never. =)I think Win 8 will sell reasonably well, depending on the hardware coming out. I'd expect about 300 million Win 8 & RT in 2013.[/citation]
unless what i said above happens, windows 8 will only catch on with people who require an all in one as those are the only ones i see with a touch screen.
if wacom will license out their tablet tech for monitors, instead of selling their own for 2500$+ for a 24 inch 1920x1200, we could see win 8 became huge.
i checked my brothers computer recently, fresh install 7 loaded in under a minute.
now, on boot and various loads something cripples his harddrive to only be reading at 700kb
anyone complaining about boot and load times may want to look into that, because something is eating the hell out of your harddrives speed. [citation][nom]dalethepcman[/nom]Welcome to IT.. Everyone whining and bitching about change need to remember these words, "Adapt or die." If you chose the latter then good for me, I chose to adapt. Let me know if the below line looks familiar, and seems comical to you."You'll never need more than 640K of memory"Now replace that with "You will never need anything greater than windows 7" or "You will never need touch sensors on a desktop."Plug your kinect into your windows 8 rtm box and you will see what Microsoft has planned. Honestly, I can hardly wait.[/citation]
play a game with kinect and tell me you EVER want that as a computer interface... you tell me anything other than you laughed so hard you couldnt stand when trying it, you are lieing.
i dont mean that as a "touch has no place on the pc" either.
i mean that it has no place in its current incarnation.
kinect is inaccurate, and costs well over 150$ per unit, the only reason the console version is 150$ is because they subsidise it, they want to make it a standard for the console, the pc, they dont have that ability, so 250$ is what it came out at.
even than, im using a desktop, and i bought into many "next thing" desktop enviorments over the years, from 3d worlds, to complete overhauls, and i can say for a pc, touch will not work like it does on a cellphone.
you want touch on a desktop. you start at the monitors, not at the damned os like microsoft is.
get wacom technology in every monitor,
tablet controls don't work in something thats at a 90 degree angle.
but a pen interface for precision, and a finger touch for when its not required? that can work.
get desk mounts to clam onto the desktop, and allow you to bring the monitor out.
adapt or die... yea, apply that to good ideas, please... let the ideas that have proven to work for years appon years stay with us.
[citation][nom]bllue[/nom]The market spoke. The market likes Apple it's only logical for other companies to follow their path because there's more profit there. That said, they better not f*ck the Surface up. They better price it well[/citation]
people liked the ipod,
people liked the iphone
people liked the ipad
the apple pc line...
didnt they almost go into bankruptcy because no one wanted them?
[citation][nom]ohim[/nom]"not happy at all , tablet OS , phone OS bla bla bla" .... is the world going retarded ? beside the Start menu button and some applications that work full screen from the UI the OS is just like another typical windows OS. You can`t give credit to MS for updating early an OS and not waiting a SP just because of a stupid Start screen, go crawl back in your caves and sit with XP/7 till the end of your days then and let us enthusiasts for new enjoy it.[/citation]
enthusiasts build their own computer, not buy it with windows 8 preinstalled.
[citation][nom]Bloob[/nom]He did say something about 640k being enough for the next 5 years, which proved to be wrong. He never talked about never. =)I think Win 8 will sell reasonably well, depending on the hardware coming out. I'd expect about 300 million Win 8 & RT in 2013.[/citation]
unless what i said above happens, windows 8 will only catch on with people who require an all in one as those are the only ones i see with a touch screen.
if wacom will license out their tablet tech for monitors, instead of selling their own for 2500$+ for a 24 inch 1920x1200, we could see win 8 became huge.
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Nothing too out of the ordinary here. Ever since MS provided Windows Update, there have been updates for products immediately after (upon) launch. This should come as no great surprise or present a mystery to anyone. Just put into the context of monthly updates and when the product was baselined for release.
If you don't want to use Win 8, then simply don't. Simple, no?
If you don't want to use Win 8, then simply don't. Simple, no?
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Windows 8, the first Windows operating system to get a service pack before it's actually released at retail. 😛
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[citation][nom]dalethepcman[/nom]Welcome to IT.. Everyone whining and bitching about change need to remember these words, "Adapt or die." If you chose the latter then good for me, I chose to adapt. Let me know if the below line looks familiar, and seems comical to you."You'll never need more than 640K of memory"Now replace that with "You will never need anything greater than windows 7" or "You will never need touch sensors on a desktop."Plug your kinect into your windows 8 rtm box and you will see what Microsoft has planned. Honestly, I can hardly wait.[/citation]
I can't really agree with your rationale at all, sorry. Yes, it is clear that as technology advances, consumers have to adapt - but, and this is the point that I guess some people are making, why must we adapt to a shady attempt by a corporation to push on as a product that simply doesn't make sense? Look, I used W8 for a few weeks since the RTM became available through school, and yes, it's not bad at all, but, even you can't say that it makes much sense to you that a touch-interfece begging for my finger to swipe and select is what greets a PC user. You can't really disregard that fact that if you go to help, Microsoft consistently keeps referring to "swipe" and "gestures" and "pinch-to-zoom" - they couldn't even keep their help files organized. This tells you something. So yes, the OS works, but it just doesn't feel like it's a masterpiece, say, what Windows 7 became after W7's trial-run (Vista). So no, consumers don't have to just accept a product that doesn't meet their needs, in fact, it disregard it. The old "you won't need more RAM..." was common to the era, it's not fair to compare that to this.
I can't really agree with your rationale at all, sorry. Yes, it is clear that as technology advances, consumers have to adapt - but, and this is the point that I guess some people are making, why must we adapt to a shady attempt by a corporation to push on as a product that simply doesn't make sense? Look, I used W8 for a few weeks since the RTM became available through school, and yes, it's not bad at all, but, even you can't say that it makes much sense to you that a touch-interfece begging for my finger to swipe and select is what greets a PC user. You can't really disregard that fact that if you go to help, Microsoft consistently keeps referring to "swipe" and "gestures" and "pinch-to-zoom" - they couldn't even keep their help files organized. This tells you something. So yes, the OS works, but it just doesn't feel like it's a masterpiece, say, what Windows 7 became after W7's trial-run (Vista). So no, consumers don't have to just accept a product that doesn't meet their needs, in fact, it disregard it. The old "you won't need more RAM..." was common to the era, it's not fair to compare that to this.
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[citation][nom]dalethepcman[/nom]Welcome to IT.. Everyone whining and bitching about change need to remember these words, "Adapt or die." If you chose the latter then good for me, I chose to adapt.[/citation]
"Oh, look at me, I'm so objective and practical and gifted and adaptable. You whining losers just make me look like such a shining example of an Information Technology professional."
Unless your job is to fix consumer-grade laptops, I doubt that you'll have a whole lot of need to know about the differences between Windows 7 and Windows 8. If, by some fluke, probability-defying, space-time-continuum-rending occurrence, IT departments actually start going to Windows 8 en masse, real IT professionals will learn what they need to know, when they need to know it. It's not like there's gonna be a sudden, overnight shift.
[citation][nom]dalethepcman[/nom]Let me know if the below line looks familiar, and seems comical to you."You'll never need more than 640K of memory"Now replace that with "You will never need anything greater than windows 7"[/citation]
Ha ha, even if that line were anything other than urban legend, the advantages of more memory over less memory far outweigh any corner-case disadvantages one could conceivably gin up. On the other hand, there are definitely arguments that can be made as to why Windows 8 is legitimately inferior to Windows 7. Your analogy is glib and facile, and certainly doesn't make you look like you know what you're talking about.
[citation][nom]dalethepcman[/nom]Plug your kinect into your windows 8 rtm box and you will see what Microsoft has planned. Honestly, I can hardly wait.[/citation]
If Microsoft's innovations are successful, they'll make it into Windows 9. If they're not, they won't. I think a lot of enthusiasts and professionals are willing to sit back and take a wait-and-see approach.
"Oh, look at me, I'm so objective and practical and gifted and adaptable. You whining losers just make me look like such a shining example of an Information Technology professional."
Unless your job is to fix consumer-grade laptops, I doubt that you'll have a whole lot of need to know about the differences between Windows 7 and Windows 8. If, by some fluke, probability-defying, space-time-continuum-rending occurrence, IT departments actually start going to Windows 8 en masse, real IT professionals will learn what they need to know, when they need to know it. It's not like there's gonna be a sudden, overnight shift.
[citation][nom]dalethepcman[/nom]Let me know if the below line looks familiar, and seems comical to you."You'll never need more than 640K of memory"Now replace that with "You will never need anything greater than windows 7"[/citation]
Ha ha, even if that line were anything other than urban legend, the advantages of more memory over less memory far outweigh any corner-case disadvantages one could conceivably gin up. On the other hand, there are definitely arguments that can be made as to why Windows 8 is legitimately inferior to Windows 7. Your analogy is glib and facile, and certainly doesn't make you look like you know what you're talking about.
[citation][nom]dalethepcman[/nom]Plug your kinect into your windows 8 rtm box and you will see what Microsoft has planned. Honestly, I can hardly wait.[/citation]
If Microsoft's innovations are successful, they'll make it into Windows 9. If they're not, they won't. I think a lot of enthusiasts and professionals are willing to sit back and take a wait-and-see approach.
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Wow so much hate on my comments, glad to spark up some conversations though.
Cadenv : Yeah, the "leap motion" device looks simply incredible.
Puggle Man: I stated "do you recolonize this." Not once did I mention any person's name... "Using meme's like a boss!"
Alidan : "play a game with kinect and tell me you EVER want that as a computer interface" I have, and I do, now it's your turn. Find and drive a model A then tell me if you ever want to use a car? I don't want touch on a desktop, I want motion awareness. This is just the first step of many toward that goal.
Old_foggie : "there are definitely arguments that can be made as to why Windows 8 is legitimately inferior to Windows 7" There are always arguments, but are they based on technical superiority or emotional user response? We both know the answer, and its the same reason you wrote your reply and tried to flame me and make me look like a smug "Holier than thou" type.
Cadenv : Yeah, the "leap motion" device looks simply incredible.
Puggle Man: I stated "do you recolonize this." Not once did I mention any person's name... "Using meme's like a boss!"
Alidan : "play a game with kinect and tell me you EVER want that as a computer interface" I have, and I do, now it's your turn. Find and drive a model A then tell me if you ever want to use a car? I don't want touch on a desktop, I want motion awareness. This is just the first step of many toward that goal.
Old_foggie : "there are definitely arguments that can be made as to why Windows 8 is legitimately inferior to Windows 7" There are always arguments, but are they based on technical superiority or emotional user response? We both know the answer, and its the same reason you wrote your reply and tried to flame me and make me look like a smug "Holier than thou" type.
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[citation][nom]dalethepcman[/nom]There are always arguments, but are they based on technical superiority or emotional user response? We both know the answer, and its the same reason you wrote your reply and tried to flame me and make me look like a smug "Holier than thou" type.[/citation]
Actually, you made yourself look "holier than thou" without any help from me. 😛
But okay, I'll bite. I actually don't give a crap about the user interface. I mean, don't get me wrong: right now, it's $#!+ for desktops or non-touch laptops. But I could learn to use it, or at least avoid it. I already use the "Windows Key + start typing" method to load a program, so it's really not a huge change for me. Some of it I even like, like the right-click menu at the lower left corner of the screen.
My primary objection is that Microsoft's walled-garden app store shouldn't be integrated into the operating system. They're erecting an artificial barrier to running code on my computer that it is otherwise perfectly capable of running. This takes control of my machine away from me and gives it to Microsoft. Frankly, that's utterly unacceptable to me, and I would never use Windows 8 as a primary operating system on any computer I own.
Now, you may not care about this. But you can't deny that it's happening. Microsoft is telling me what I may or may not do with my computer. That makes it, in my opinion, technically inferior to Windows 7.
Actually, you made yourself look "holier than thou" without any help from me. 😛
But okay, I'll bite. I actually don't give a crap about the user interface. I mean, don't get me wrong: right now, it's $#!+ for desktops or non-touch laptops. But I could learn to use it, or at least avoid it. I already use the "Windows Key + start typing" method to load a program, so it's really not a huge change for me. Some of it I even like, like the right-click menu at the lower left corner of the screen.
My primary objection is that Microsoft's walled-garden app store shouldn't be integrated into the operating system. They're erecting an artificial barrier to running code on my computer that it is otherwise perfectly capable of running. This takes control of my machine away from me and gives it to Microsoft. Frankly, that's utterly unacceptable to me, and I would never use Windows 8 as a primary operating system on any computer I own.
Now, you may not care about this. But you can't deny that it's happening. Microsoft is telling me what I may or may not do with my computer. That makes it, in my opinion, technically inferior to Windows 7.
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[citation][nom]alidan[/nom]i checked my brothers computer recently, fresh install 7 loaded in under a minute. now, on boot and various loads something cripples his harddrive to only be reading at 700kbanyone complaining about boot and load times may want to look into that, because something is eating the hell out of your harddrives speed. play a game with kinect and tell me you EVER want that as a computer interface... you tell me anything other than you laughed so hard you couldnt stand when trying it, you are lieing.i dont mean that as a "touch has no place on the pc" either. i mean that it has no place in its current incarnation. kinect is inaccurate, and costs well over 150$ per unit, the only reason the console version is 150$ is because they subsidise it, they want to make it a standard for the console, the pc, they dont have that ability, so 250$ is what it came out at.even than, im using a desktop, and i bought into many "next thing" desktop enviorments over the years, from 3d worlds, to complete overhauls, and i can say for a pc, touch will not work like it does on a cellphone. you want touch on a desktop. you start at the monitors, not at the damned os like microsoft is.get wacom technology in every monitor,tablet controls don't work in something thats at a 90 degree angle. but a pen interface for precision, and a finger touch for when its not required? that can work. get desk mounts to clam onto the desktop, and allow you to bring the monitor out. adapt or die... yea, apply that to good ideas, please... let the ideas that have proven to work for years appon years stay with us. people liked the ipod,people liked the iphonepeople liked the ipadthe apple pc line... didnt they almost go into bankruptcy because no one wanted them? enthusiasts build their own computer, not buy it with windows 8 preinstalled.unless what i said above happens, windows 8 will only catch on with people who require an all in one as those are the only ones i see with a touch screen. if wacom will license out their tablet tech for monitors, instead of selling their own for 2500$+ for a 24 inch 1920x1200, we could see win 8 became huge.[/citation]
A Fresh install will for obvious reasons boot faster than a computer that has mutliple new processes to start on bootup (Talking about Steam, Origin, AMD Catalyst software, antivirus, Logitech Peripheral Gaming software. Adobe/Java Update schedulers, various other hidden background updates that may be by default on etc).
With an SSD, its fast enough to do all those things in a matter of seconds, once it boots to the desktop that is. Before, with a HDD, I disabled a bunch of those from running cause they took too long, even steam and network connections seemed to take a minute or two always.
Firefox would stay on a blank page or not load until almost every other background task was done loading it seemed. Now with an SSD its no longer an issue. As I install more and more, the boottimes on the SSD will decrease over time (but small in comparison to a standard HD)
A Fresh install will for obvious reasons boot faster than a computer that has mutliple new processes to start on bootup (Talking about Steam, Origin, AMD Catalyst software, antivirus, Logitech Peripheral Gaming software. Adobe/Java Update schedulers, various other hidden background updates that may be by default on etc).
With an SSD, its fast enough to do all those things in a matter of seconds, once it boots to the desktop that is. Before, with a HDD, I disabled a bunch of those from running cause they took too long, even steam and network connections seemed to take a minute or two always.
Firefox would stay on a blank page or not load until almost every other background task was done loading it seemed. Now with an SSD its no longer an issue. As I install more and more, the boottimes on the SSD will decrease over time (but small in comparison to a standard HD)
[citation][nom]dalethepcman[/nom]Wow so much hate on my comments, glad to spark up some conversations though.Cadenv : Yeah, the "leap motion" device looks simply incredible. Puggle Man: I stated "do you recolonize this." Not once did I mention any person's name... "Using meme's like a boss!"Alidan : "play a game with kinect and tell me you EVER want that as a computer interface" I have, and I do, now it's your turn. Find and drive a model A then tell me if you ever want to use a car? I don't want touch on a desktop, I want motion awareness. This is just the first step of many toward that goal.Old_foggie : "there are definitely arguments that can be made as to why Windows 8 is legitimately inferior to Windows 7" There are always arguments, but are they based on technical superiority or emotional user response? We both know the answer, and its the same reason you wrote your reply and tried to flame me and make me look like a smug "Holier than thou" type.[/citation]
sorry, did you just say that this is a stepping stone and that in 85 years we may have something decent to work with?
here, this a video that shows how motion control works with it when motion control works
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoxKyKn8_qI
i was trying to find a specific menu navigation only with kinect, but i cant seam to find it.
and you can find all the fail videos you want on youtube. but ill have you look at this one, as i beleive it is complex enough to the point that it simulates how motion would work on a pc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxKRBUzElTU
there is swearing in that one, so heads up.
i do believe that kinect is a miserable failure for a game device, and as a way to control anything, though it does have applications outside of those two arenas. mix that with kinect can barely see you at all if you are sitting...
there is another device, for 70$ which looks more promising, but honestly motion i honestly doubt will catch on, because it is just so much easier to use a keyboard and mouse.
now like i said above, touch, and penable touch, that is where i can see it lasting, but the monitors aren't there yet, and they aren't designed how they should be yet, with the only one that is good costing over 2500$
sorry, did you just say that this is a stepping stone and that in 85 years we may have something decent to work with?
here, this a video that shows how motion control works with it when motion control works
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoxKyKn8_qI
i was trying to find a specific menu navigation only with kinect, but i cant seam to find it.
and you can find all the fail videos you want on youtube. but ill have you look at this one, as i beleive it is complex enough to the point that it simulates how motion would work on a pc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxKRBUzElTU
there is swearing in that one, so heads up.
i do believe that kinect is a miserable failure for a game device, and as a way to control anything, though it does have applications outside of those two arenas. mix that with kinect can barely see you at all if you are sitting...
there is another device, for 70$ which looks more promising, but honestly motion i honestly doubt will catch on, because it is just so much easier to use a keyboard and mouse.
now like i said above, touch, and penable touch, that is where i can see it lasting, but the monitors aren't there yet, and they aren't designed how they should be yet, with the only one that is good costing over 2500$
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Old-Fogie : Ok you have me there, but windows to go is awesome and worth the price of admission for my company. We have way to many BYOD users though... I completely agree that the Microsoft walled off approach is a bucket of crap. Sadly I would bet that this would also be included in Windows 7 SP2. Thanks Apple...
Lol Alidan. I hope it wouldn't take 85 years, but yes everything in technology I see as a stepping stone. The next step hopefully better than the previous one, but not always (ahem... AMD bulldozer..)
Also the PC version of the kinect is specifically made to target users within 2 feet, where the console version of the kinect is for 6-10" distance. Performance isn't what it should have been, but it was way better than wii mote...
https://leapmotion.com/ is the link to the $70 device that looks promising, hopefully they give kinect2 a run for their money.
Lol Alidan. I hope it wouldn't take 85 years, but yes everything in technology I see as a stepping stone. The next step hopefully better than the previous one, but not always (ahem... AMD bulldozer..)
Also the PC version of the kinect is specifically made to target users within 2 feet, where the console version of the kinect is for 6-10" distance. Performance isn't what it should have been, but it was way better than wii mote...
https://leapmotion.com/ is the link to the $70 device that looks promising, hopefully they give kinect2 a run for their money.
[citation][nom]dalethepcman[/nom]Old-Fogie : Ok you have me there, but windows to go is awesome and worth the price of admission for my company. We have way to many BYOD users though... I completely agree that the Microsoft walled off approach is a bucket of crap. Sadly I would bet that this would also be included in Windows 7 SP2. Thanks Apple...Lol Alidan. I hope it wouldn't take 85 years, but yes everything in technology I see as a stepping stone. The next step hopefully better than the previous one, but not always (ahem... AMD bulldozer..)Also the PC version of the kinect is specifically made to target users within 2 feet, where the console version of the kinect is for 6-10" distance. Performance isn't what it should have been, but it was way better than wii mote...https://leapmotion.com/ is the link to the $70 device that looks promising, hopefully they give kinect2 a run for their money.[/citation]
yea, thats it. i am planning to get one to play with if some of my programs support it, but they likely wont support it in a meaningfull way.
kinect shows that motion gestures are broken in their current form, any game, and thing on it, shows that...
you want to go kinect vs wiimote... i have to give it to the wii mote, only because it works in less than ideal situations, something the kinect cant do.
now for the xbox kinect, there are filters you can put on it to get it to work in tighter areas, im assumeing the same principal is in the pc version, and not a complete redo of the hardware.
if you also want to talk about menue navagation, wiimote is also somewhat better, less high tech, but more accurate.
motion is not here, at least yet, and it cirtianly isnt here good enough to warrent an os that is based around it and touch on a desktop.
if metro was something like windows media player, where its there if you want it, but to never have to use or see it, i dont think it would be as bad as something you can never fully turn off on the pc.
tablets, great os in the makeing
phone, same as above
laptop... possibly nice... if you go touch screen for everything
but desktop... i just cant see a reason for it, given mouse and keyboard... at lest on a laptop you have an excuse, built in track pads suck for navigation.
yea, thats it. i am planning to get one to play with if some of my programs support it, but they likely wont support it in a meaningfull way.
kinect shows that motion gestures are broken in their current form, any game, and thing on it, shows that...
you want to go kinect vs wiimote... i have to give it to the wii mote, only because it works in less than ideal situations, something the kinect cant do.
now for the xbox kinect, there are filters you can put on it to get it to work in tighter areas, im assumeing the same principal is in the pc version, and not a complete redo of the hardware.
if you also want to talk about menue navagation, wiimote is also somewhat better, less high tech, but more accurate.
motion is not here, at least yet, and it cirtianly isnt here good enough to warrent an os that is based around it and touch on a desktop.
if metro was something like windows media player, where its there if you want it, but to never have to use or see it, i dont think it would be as bad as something you can never fully turn off on the pc.
tablets, great os in the makeing
phone, same as above
laptop... possibly nice... if you go touch screen for everything
but desktop... i just cant see a reason for it, given mouse and keyboard... at lest on a laptop you have an excuse, built in track pads suck for navigation.
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[citation][nom]dalethepcman[/nom]Old-Fogie : Ok you have me there, but windows to go is awesome and worth the price of admission for my company. We have way to many BYOD users though... I completely agree that the Microsoft walled off approach is a bucket of crap. Sadly I would bet that this would also be included in Windows 7 SP2.[/citation]
So help me, if Microsoft forces me to install "Metro" on Windows 7 in order to continue to get security updates, I legit will file a lawsuit.
Seriously, I paid full retail price for copies of Windows 7 to use on future computer builds. If they take a product that I paid for and turn it into a product I don't want and didn't pay for, they will be paying me back every cent I ever paid for Windows 7, including a percentage of the cost of every Windows 7 laptop I ever bought.
That being said, though, I've heard that rumor, but it honestly doesn't make that much sense to me. If MS offers upgrades for $15 or $40 and then turns around and gives people a free upgrade, there'll be hell to pay there, too. They just need to let us old fogies use the OS we want to use (and paid for) and not f--k with us.
So help me, if Microsoft forces me to install "Metro" on Windows 7 in order to continue to get security updates, I legit will file a lawsuit.
Seriously, I paid full retail price for copies of Windows 7 to use on future computer builds. If they take a product that I paid for and turn it into a product I don't want and didn't pay for, they will be paying me back every cent I ever paid for Windows 7, including a percentage of the cost of every Windows 7 laptop I ever bought.
That being said, though, I've heard that rumor, but it honestly doesn't make that much sense to me. If MS offers upgrades for $15 or $40 and then turns around and gives people a free upgrade, there'll be hell to pay there, too. They just need to let us old fogies use the OS we want to use (and paid for) and not f--k with us.
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