[SOLVED] Microsoft will discontinue support of Windows 7 in mid-January, so I am searching for the best Windows 10 to fit my needs.

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INTERESTS: Faster processing, more GB memory, and a larger blue-eye-protection monitor. Graphics card?


I focus mostly on intraday trading of stocks using Worden TC2000 software with real-time streaming data software.


ORGANIZATION: Mine consists of two layouts--one for long trades and another for shorts--each with 20 separate areas on tabs.


To make up the 20 areas in a layout, my organization consists of seven scans requiring the most speed. Each scan is set up to evaluate about 5,500 stocks, three or four criteria are daily.


MORE MATHEMATICAL CALCULATIONS:


1) One custom formula within the scans is based on one-minute mathematical calculations. This is the one where I would like the optimum speed.


2) In addition, each of the 20 areas on tabs consists of the same 48 items used to help in decision-making. Seventeen require minute-by-minute custom mathematical calculations. Twenty-four calculate daily data. The remainder do not require mathematical calculation.


The remaining 13 areas are less speed-intensive: nine charts and four are watch lists.


MY PROCESS: With each seven scans running in real-time (as little as one minute or even ticks), the processing must be fast as I move about searching for the best intraday candidates as soon as the market opens. Once I find a candidate, I quickly move through the charts, from the first through the ninth.


Once I get to the ninth chart, I focus on this during the duration of the trade lasting minutes to hours.


SYSTEM USED FOR A FEW YEARS: Windows7, Dell XPS 8700 tower, x64 based PC, Intel Core i7 CPU, 16GB memory, Pavilion 27xi 27-inch monitor.

RECOMMENDATIONS for the above and for GRAPHICS CARDS? Thanks, traderlady
 
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geofelt
Just because Microsoft stops supporting windows 7 that does not mean that your pc will suddenly do anything different from what you are doing now.
There have been no enhancements to 7 for some time now.
Yes, you are probably exposed to some security issues, but come the official end date, nothing will have changed.
My point is, if you are happy with what you now have, nothing will change.

If you want windows 10, there is little difference that a home user will see in home vs. pro.
One difference, which may make a difference to you is the ability to control when windows gets updated, 10 gives you more control over that.
If you make a living on trading, I would pick 10.

Now, if you are going to buy/build a new trading setup, do it as...
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Home would be what you need. Nothing you listed says you need 10pro.

Which Intel i7 do you have? Another one like the 7700K or better should do fine. 16 or 32GBs of ram as well. You seemed to be writing because you are worried about windows, not because your system is slow. If it's all working now and you are happy with it just upgrade to win10.
 
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7Fxt3t
This should work for your needs. I've included a ryzen 7 because you said you need lots of processing power, but you can still switch it out for a ryzen 5 3600 for about $100 less but you lose 2 cores.

For graphics card, I'm assuming you won't be gaming, so any card that has enough display outputs should be fine. This one has fast RAM and can drive 3 displays.

You said you needed more ram, so i've included 4 8 GB sticks for a total of 32 GB ram.

I've included 500 GB of NVMe SSD storage, you can probably pull the hard drive or ssd out of your older system and use that if you want additional storage.

The case is really personal preference, but pretty much any ATX case around this price range should fit your needs.
 
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Here's a Dell XPS Tower Special @ 17% off

Any opinion on this?

  • 9th Gen Intel® Core™ i7 9700K (8-Core/8-Thread, 12MB Cache, Overclocked up to 4.6GHz on all cores)

  • Windows 10 Pro 64-bit English

  • NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 2060 6GB GDDR6

  • 32GB DDR4 at 2666MHz; up to 64GB (Additional memory sold separately)

  • 256GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD (Boot) + 2TB 7200RPM 3.5" SATA HDD (Storage)

  • Ports & Slots

List Price $2,059.99

$1,699.99
 
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4745454b said:
Home would be what you need. Nothing you listed says you need 10pro.

Which Intel i7 do you have? Another one like the 7700K or better should do fine. 16 or 32GBs of ram as well. You seemed to be writing because you are worried about windows, not because your system is slow. If it's all working now and you are happy with it just upgrade to win10.
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My existing computer is an Intel i7 4790 CPU @ 3.60Ghz 3601Mhz... I've re-organized my scans and charts so that my existing computer doesn't get hung up. I formerly scanned 5500+ stocks for longs and again 5500+ stocks for shorts at the same time (in the same area or tab) and then sometimes had a bit of an issue moving from tab to tab quickly.
 
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My existing computer is an Intel i7 4790 CPU @ 3.60Ghz 3601Mhz... I've re-organized my scans and charts so that my existing computer doesn't get hung up. I formerly scanned 5500+ stocks for longs and again 5500+ stocks for shorts at the same time (in the same area or tab) and then sometimes had a bit of an issue moving from tab to tab quickly.

I guess my i7 is slower than the 7700K or better in which you would have confidence for my needs. Thank you so much for your comments. Keep 'em coming.
 
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Both on Costco online now, both with 32GB memory:

$1,599.97


HP Omen 880 Gaming Desktop - Intel Core i7 - GeForce GTX 1070


$999.99 After $250 OFF
HP Envy Desktop - 9th Gen Intel Core i7 - GeForce GTX 1660 - Wired Keyboard + Mouse

The only difference shown is in the Graphics card, $600 difference???

First is aNVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 and second is a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660.

Just checked Amazon. The 1070 sells for $293 more than the 1660.

Also, second computer says Intel 9th Generation, and the first says nothing.

QUESTION: Would I benefit from the faster graphics card? Or, is enough, enough?





 
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Dell Outlet:
https://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlin...spx?brandId=2202&c=us&cs=22&l=en&s=dfh&~ck=mn

$1600, 1 yr warranty.

Intel Core 9th Generation i9-9900 Processor (8 Core, Up to 5.00Ghz, 16MB Cache, 65W)
Windows 10 Pro
2TB PCIe M.2 NVMe Class 40 Solid State Drive
16GB (2X8GB) 2666MHz DDR4 UDIMM Non-ECC
8X DVD+/-RW
NVIDIA GeForce GT1030 with 2GB GDDR5
Dell Outlet XPS 8930


Inventory changes daily, so if you want something, get it.
 
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Each of the two HP computer options from Costco Online shown above are identified as Windows OS. Nothing is said about Windows Home or Windows Home Pro. If you have knowledge of this, I'd appreciate understanding.
 
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Thanks. I've switched from looking on Costco online to Amazon. It's easier to find more GB memory in Dell computers and I've narrowed it down to three Dells with Pro, two in the $2,000 range & one more. Also learned from research that Intel's i9 are 15% faster than i7, so that's what these three Dells are.
 
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traderlady said:
Thanks. I've switched from looking on Costco online to Amazon. It's easier to find more GB memory in Dell computers and I've narrowed it down to three Dells with Pro, two in the $2,000 range & one more.
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Be very very careful about the entire parts list on these things.

For instance, "1TB SSD" may mean a lot of things. Some good, some I wouldn't use as an ice scraper.
 
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traderlady said:
INTERESTS: Faster processing, more GB memory, and a larger blue-eye-protection monitor. Graphics card?


I focus mostly on intraday trading of stocks using Worden TC2000 software with real-time streaming data software.


ORGANIZATION: Mine consists of two layouts--one for long trades and another for shorts--each with 20 separate areas on tabs.


To make up the 20 areas in a layout, my organization consists of seven scans requiring the most speed. Each scan is set up to evaluate about 5,500 stocks, three or four criteria are daily.


MORE MATHEMATICAL CALCULATIONS:


1) One custom formula within the scans is based on one-minute mathematical calculations. This is the one where I would like the optimum speed.


2) In addition, each of the 20 areas on tabs consists of the same 48 items used to help in decision-making. Seventeen require minute-by-minute custom mathematical calculations. Twenty-four calculate daily data. The remainder do not require mathematical calculation.


The remaining 13 areas are less speed-intensive: nine charts and four are watch lists.


MY PROCESS: With each seven scans running in real-time (as little as one minute or even ticks), the processing must be fast as I move about searching for the best intraday candidates as soon as the market opens. Once I find a candidate, I quickly move through the charts, from the first through the ninth.


Once I get to the ninth chart, I focus on this during the duration of the trade lasting minutes to hours.


SYSTEM USED FOR A FEW YEARS: Windows7, Dell XPS 8700 tower, x64 based PC, Intel Core i7 CPU, 16GB memory, Pavilion 27xi 27-inch monitor.

RECOMMENDATIONS for the above and for GRAPHICS CARDS? Thanks, traderlady
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Not really sure if you would be interested in saving a substantial amount of money by building your own PC, however you could build that 1700$ pc for about 1200. Or if your budget is higher you could buy better performing parts for the 1699$ price tag and get a much better system building it yourself, and then you can choose which Windows you want. I always opt for the Pro version as, even though I may not use its extra features, Id rather have them and not need them than to need them and not have them.
 
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My next step is to check out your recommendation with my computer-literate-friend who just had a custom system built for his trading. He had a member of a Bellevue, WA computer group put it together.

Do you have recommendations of those who do this? Do you?
 
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Just because Microsoft stops supporting windows 7 that does not mean that your pc will suddenly do anything different from what you are doing now.
There have been no enhancements to 7 for some time now.
Yes, you are probably exposed to some security issues, but come the official end date, nothing will have changed.
My point is, if you are happy with what you now have, nothing will change.

If you want windows 10, there is little difference that a home user will see in home vs. pro.
One difference, which may make a difference to you is the ability to control when windows gets updated, 10 gives you more control over that.
If you make a living on trading, I would pick 10.

Now, if you are going to buy/build a new trading setup, do it as right as you can.
You are unlikely to find a pre built pc that will be as good as can be.
If you can not assemble one yourself, have a local shop(or a high school kid) do it for you.
Some local support may be what you need.

I would look at your monitor setup.
Traders want many open windows to display. For that, consider a large 40" 4k monitor where you can display many individually sized windows. Perhaps two of them.

For many open apps, you need sufficient ram to hold all of your apps in ram.
With ram prices down, go ahead and buy 32gb.

The next essential to me is a ssd.
Do not bother with a hard drive unless you will store large sequential files such as videos.

I would opt for a single ssd of the size you need. That is likely 1 or 2tb.
While there is little real performance difference, I would opt for a single pcie m.2 device like the samsung 970 evo 2tb.

Probably the least important part is the processor.
Anything you buy over $200 or so is going to do the job.
How well is determined by the characteristics of your work.
Unless you will have many batch apps running concurrently, do not focus on core/thread count.
Look more to single thread performance.
You earlier asked about a 9700K, that would be more than enough.
8 cores @5.0 should be a significant jump over your current 8 thread 4790@3.6
I doubt that you would need more than 8 threads.
If you do, the very best would be the i9-9900KS with 16 threads @5.0

You will get suggestions for ryzen 3000 series. That will work, but realize that the single thread performance is not quite up to the single thread performance of current 9th gen intel K suffix processors.

One problem with pre built pc's is the power supply.
They are often generic and are sized to support only the ordered configuration, not any upgrades.
Buy only a quality psu. Seasonic is a safe bet.
The wattage you need is determined mainly by your graphics card.

I do not see a big need for a strong graphics card used for fast action gaming.
Whatever you have now may well be sufficient.
Even intel integrated graphics might be ok.
If any of your apps can use graphics cores for analysis, that changes the issue.
I might suggest something like a GTX1660.
 
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Hi Geofelt,

I truly appreciate your thoughtful and detailed reply to my question and will take your suggestions to heart.

You said," I do not see a big need for a strong graphics card used for fast action gaming.
Whatever you have now may well be sufficient. Even intel integrated graphics might be ok.
If any of your apps can use graphics cores for analysis, that changes the issue. I might suggest
something like a GTX1660."

As I mentioned in my original post, I focus mostly on intraday trading of stocks using Worden TC2000 software with real-time streaming data software. I will contact Worden Brothers support to learn if their Platinum software can use graphics cores for analysis as you've suggested.

The best to you for all your help,
traderlady
 
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