News Microsoft 'Xbox PC' branding surfaces in game dev publicity materials — Xbox App also sees big changes

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I don’t know if anybody saw the actual numbers for the SteamOS vs Windows comparison but the vast majority of it amounted to calling run-to-run variance a 5-7% advantage. Yes SteamOS won in a few games but 90% were dead equal.
 
Microsoft is in a huge pickle on this.

SteamOS has proven to be faster than Windows and that's knowing when the vast majority of games are running in the compatibility translation layer. There's still a lot of overhead and wins that can be gained through direct native ports and other things on the Linux side.

On the Windows side, Microsoft has to contend with bloat that goes back decades, which they compounded by turning Windows into adware that shows people the latest 99-cent deals at Amazon and now coupled with the highly unpopular Recall which is a sop to its business customers so that Windows can snitch on WFH people.

We are at a deep inflection point here. It makes perfect sense to have a dedicated gaming OS just for the purpose that is significantly leaner and tailored for that consuming audience.

If Microsoft really wants to push what is running on the XBox into a little bit more of a general use, they have to know that that's going to eat away at Windows itself. Would that make XBox OS into a sort of a distro? If they're going to keep to the mainline Windows, what are they going to do about the built in advertisements that Windows is now larded up with? Are they going to have to ditch Recall so soon?

Kind of seems like Microsoft can't serve two masters here. They have to pick one and lose the other. Business or gamers.
 
ezst036 said:
Microsoft is in a huge pickle on this.

SteamOS has proven to be faster than Windows and that's knowing when the vast majority of games are running in the compatibility translation layer.
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The translation layer could be the whole source of it being faster, if the instructions are translated into less accurate (and thus faster ones) of course they will run faster.
I don't know if there is anybody that has looked into this and did any actual comparisons so this is just a guess.
ezst036 said:
Kind of seems like Microsoft can't serve two masters here. They have to pick one and lose the other. Business or gamers.
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Windows comes in home enterprise education and pro versions already, xbox could just be one more version you get to choose from during installation.

Also have you used an xbox/ps lately?! It's basically just as bad as windows at having ads since your homepage and the whole UI is one big add for the store.
 
As far as I know there isn't any tricks here with regards to less accurate instructions. That would reduce compatibility a fair amount, I'm fairly sure.

From what I understand, there is minimal to almost zero real overhead from the way wine works. The many games from my collection I've played since I've been on Linux have always felt far smoother in terms of frame pacing, as well as higher average fps. There are plenty of benchmarks with data available online to back this up. And I'm just on Ubuntu - other distros can be even faster.

Also, the only game I can't seem to play on Linux is Forkknife 🤪 Let me get my small violin...
 
psyconz said:
As far as I know there isn't any tricks here with regards to less accurate instructions. That would reduce compatibility a fair amount, I'm fairly sure.
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Not tricks, just the nature of it,
DirectX is closed down code that belongs to MS, there is no way that vulcan uses the same instructions since they don't have the rights, it's recreations of the instructions.
I had a case with robocop rogue city for example where they show things on the TV and on linux (bazzite) it was just a white screen when using proton.
psyconz said:
There are plenty of benchmarks with data available online to back this up. And I'm just on Ubuntu - other distros can be even faster.
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But non of them talk at all about possible quality differences, at least I don't know of any that do.
 
Running my games on a Mac or Linux as well is of interest, locking down to an Xbox PC is not. If it’s an attempt at lock-in, they’ve already 100% lost me. Were I to choose an OS for gaming that locked me in to something, that would be Steam. Still wouldn’t want that as I also use GoG, itch.io, and a smattering of others.
 
"This shows how the company is pushing for gamers to use the Xbox app on their gaming PCs instead of just installing a title directly, with Redmond aiming squarely at Steam"

What strangly odd and almost post-trith statement - how is using the xbox app to download games directly to my PC different than Steam where I download games directly at my PC to play?

Also, no, you dont own the vast majority of your Steam library (or anything from the Game Pass/Xbox app) not as in actually own it in either case - if you want that, you need GoG and its offline installers or another option I wont mention because pretend-to-be-pro-PG gaming website get triggered over its mention. ARRRRRRRR, me matey!
 
Maybe I just missed it, but I cannot find talk of that very Xbox looking, including plenty of xbox-green leds, desktop PC that was behind Sarah Bond (to the right, in the background, blurred out in a way that the Xbox's were not, if subtly),

Is that "Xbox PC" the next xbox "console"? and their own sort-of console will be the possible future handheld thats more locked down than anything they get away on something labeled a "PC"?
 
ezst036 said:
Microsoft is in a huge pickle on this.

SteamOS has proven to be faster than Windows and that's knowing when the vast majority of games are running in the compatibility translation layer. There's still a lot of overhead and wins that can be gained through direct native ports and other things on the Linux side.

On the Windows side, Microsoft has to contend with bloat that goes back decades, which they compounded by turning Windows into adware that shows people the latest 99-cent deals at Amazon and now coupled with the highly unpopular Recall which is a sop to its business customers so that Windows can snitch on WFH people.

We are at a deep inflection point here. It makes perfect sense to have a dedicated gaming OS just for the purpose that is significantly leaner and tailored for that consuming audience.

If Microsoft really wants to push what is running on the XBox into a little bit more of a general use, they have to know that that's going to eat away at Windows itself. Would that make XBox OS into a sort of a distro? If they're going to keep to the mainline Windows, what are they going to do about the built in advertisements that Windows is now larded up with? Are they going to have to ditch Recall so soon?

Kind of seems like Microsoft can't serve two masters here. They have to pick one and lose the other. Business or gamers.
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Oh look, more people lying about the difference (5-7% in SOME games) and ignoring that Steam OS running on handhelds has terrible battery life just the same as all of them - who knows what's different about that Rog - but I doubt its just the "big screen UI" - or maybe "windows/Xbox" handhelds get better after more work on their own alleged handheld continues.

Who know, but lets not invite console fanboy levels of brain damage into the pc user space - we have already have enough trouble with AMD-vs-Intel an AMD-vs-Nvidia.

We dont need "xbox vs steam" like steam is a console, because its not, and no amount of Steam OS devices changes that, and thats a good thing.

And MS working to make Windows better on handhelds is also a good thing.
 
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