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"HTC learned about this when Microsoft sued it over the use of patents from Android. Rather than going after Google, Microsoft is targeting specific phone makers for the licensing fee."
Ah thats the dirty tactics MS weve all grown to love. Im so glad to see nothing has changed with Stevo at the helm 😛
Ah thats the dirty tactics MS weve all grown to love. Im so glad to see nothing has changed with Stevo at the helm 😛
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[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Yeah, run right into the groundMicrosoft stock is now trading alongside junk bonds...WTF have you been smoking?[/citation]
Although I agree that he hasn't driven the company into the ground, it has remained relatively flat in the last five years. Looking at their stock prices for the last 5 years shows a lack of public confidence within the company, despite the "succesfull" (subjective, I know) launch of Windows 7. Microsoft needs someone more visionary and "in-tune" with the general consumer to see Microsoft grow again in sectors other than PCs.
Although I agree that he hasn't driven the company into the ground, it has remained relatively flat in the last five years. Looking at their stock prices for the last 5 years shows a lack of public confidence within the company, despite the "succesfull" (subjective, I know) launch of Windows 7. Microsoft needs someone more visionary and "in-tune" with the general consumer to see Microsoft grow again in sectors other than PCs.
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Actually MS saved HTC from Apple, in a sense.
Because they entered a "patent sharing agreement", meaning that Apple will get nowhere with a suit, because HTC now has access to MS patents.
Though the Motorla bit is a surprise, I recall someone mentioning that Moto Androids do corporate sync differently. As to whether or not that's true, I have no idea.
In either case, it's certainly dissapointing.
Because they entered a "patent sharing agreement", meaning that Apple will get nowhere with a suit, because HTC now has access to MS patents.
Though the Motorla bit is a surprise, I recall someone mentioning that Moto Androids do corporate sync differently. As to whether or not that's true, I have no idea.
In either case, it's certainly dissapointing.
It's actually funny how naive a lot of these "elitist" users posting on these forums are. First, any company that has a patent, will try to cash in. It's not a matter of being evil or good, it's just business .. get used to it! Second, I find it very entertaining how everyone posting on such forums thinks that implementing any software is trivial. Well, guess what, it's not! And it becomes much more complicated when you need to start taking factors such as battery life and efficiency into your design. Also Google gives Android for free, but charges for Google Apps. Sure you can get an Android phone without Google Maps or G-Mail but would you want that? I guess no, and these are not free for manufacturers. That's in addition to the "patent fees" mentioned in this article.
In any case .. keep on with all the Microsoft hate and Google love. After all, calling something "open-source" immediately makes it cool and trendy in these places, doesn't it?
In any case .. keep on with all the Microsoft hate and Google love. After all, calling something "open-source" immediately makes it cool and trendy in these places, doesn't it?
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[citation][nom]scook9[/nom]Pathetic is really the only word that comes to mind for me. Clearly they do not have a strong outlook for WP7 lolGet ready for xbox live fees to go up again.....[/citation]
What are these fees you are talking about? I'm too busy running DirectX 11 to be bothered with any fees.
What are these fees you are talking about? I'm too busy running DirectX 11 to be bothered with any fees.
[citation][nom]coldmast[/nom]Microsoft is an illegal monopoly, they were court ordered to split into two companies and did not comply.[/citation]
What are you blathering about? The judge who declared that Microsoft was a monopoly and ordered their split was, himself, accused of unethical behavior for his actions during the trial (he was giving interviews to the media while the case was still in progress and it was clear he had an anti-Microsoft bias). The DC Circuit Court of Appeals overturned the judge's rulings against Microsoft and ordered the Department of Justice to issue penalties other than forcing a split. The DOJ ended up fining Microsoft and ordering them to share their APIs with 3rd party companies.
What are you blathering about? The judge who declared that Microsoft was a monopoly and ordered their split was, himself, accused of unethical behavior for his actions during the trial (he was giving interviews to the media while the case was still in progress and it was clear he had an anti-Microsoft bias). The DC Circuit Court of Appeals overturned the judge's rulings against Microsoft and ordered the Department of Justice to issue penalties other than forcing a split. The DOJ ended up fining Microsoft and ordering them to share their APIs with 3rd party companies.
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[citation][nom]jasone[/nom]can anyone say... RAMBUS? Sounds like Microsoft is resorting to these same tactics, of fine, if you make something better and cheaper, we will sue you and collect fees.[/citation]
Except RAMBUS don't actually make anything or have any products.
Microsoft, however, have patents on products and ideas that they actually implement.
Or
Did you forget that tidbit of information?
Except RAMBUS don't actually make anything or have any products.
Microsoft, however, have patents on products and ideas that they actually implement.
Or
Did you forget that tidbit of information?
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Even if Android isn't free as in beer according to Ballmer, Android is still free as in freedom.
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[citation][nom]unrealpinky[/nom]Although I agree that he hasn't driven the company into the ground, it has remained relatively flat in the last five years. Looking at their stock prices for the last 5 years shows a lack of public confidence within the company, despite the "succesfull" (subjective, I know) launch of Windows 7. Microsoft needs someone more visionary and "in-tune" with the general consumer to see Microsoft grow again in sectors other than PCs.[/citation]
When a company gets to the size of Microsoft you can't work the same way as other companies, people like IBM understand this. They play the "long game" and look at business over decades rather than fiscal quarters. Having a CEO who is "in-tune" is just another way of saying "currently fashionable" and that is no way to run Microsoft.
They have the ability to maintain majority in the face of free competitors (Windows), muscle into a dominated existing market (Xbox) and the financial might to shrug off problems like Vista or Windows Mobile 6 and the Kin and move on when other companies would have gone bust as a result.
Ballmer is goig nowhere, he may look like an ass-clown but he understands the "long-game" and plays it very well.
When a company gets to the size of Microsoft you can't work the same way as other companies, people like IBM understand this. They play the "long game" and look at business over decades rather than fiscal quarters. Having a CEO who is "in-tune" is just another way of saying "currently fashionable" and that is no way to run Microsoft.
They have the ability to maintain majority in the face of free competitors (Windows), muscle into a dominated existing market (Xbox) and the financial might to shrug off problems like Vista or Windows Mobile 6 and the Kin and move on when other companies would have gone bust as a result.
Ballmer is goig nowhere, he may look like an ass-clown but he understands the "long-game" and plays it very well.
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Developers, developers, developers... LAWSUITS! YES! Video link for anyone who didn't get this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE
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I'm beginning to ask as to why I even care or why I clicked on this. I no problems with my Droid X(Android) or my Win 7 computer. I'm just a user. It works, then it works. I don't have stock in either Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, Motorola, or Verizon. The business side matters nothing to me. Leave these articles to the Business section of the newspaper.
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Please toms hardware, can we stop putting that picture to every story involving Ballmer? I am not a fan but there must be some nicer photo of him, and I think you as the media should show some respect to the person you are reporting.
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oh now you're not buying a WP7 phone huh? Like you were going to buy one before. /eyeroll
As for the patent:
1) wait and see. Microsoft does have a HUGE portfolio of patents. They put what 9 billion into R&D each year and you expect them not to defend their intellectual property?
2) Don't like our patent system? Me either but hate the game, not the player. Google, HTC, Apple, Motorola all do the SAME thing.
3) MS licenses technology without stealing it yet we conveniently forget about that and accuse them of being a bully.
4) Ballmer is 100% right about one thing: If android violates a patent then it's the OEM that is up the creek, not Google. If Windows Phone 7 violates a patent then Microsoft has guaranteed they'll cover the legal costs.
Don't go bitching about Ballmer just because Google (and their never ending list of crappy betaware) won't own up to violating patents and instead leaves their customers holding the bag.
Now on with my 100 lashes of downrating from the M$ Hater$...
As for the patent:
1) wait and see. Microsoft does have a HUGE portfolio of patents. They put what 9 billion into R&D each year and you expect them not to defend their intellectual property?
2) Don't like our patent system? Me either but hate the game, not the player. Google, HTC, Apple, Motorola all do the SAME thing.
3) MS licenses technology without stealing it yet we conveniently forget about that and accuse them of being a bully.
4) Ballmer is 100% right about one thing: If android violates a patent then it's the OEM that is up the creek, not Google. If Windows Phone 7 violates a patent then Microsoft has guaranteed they'll cover the legal costs.
Don't go bitching about Ballmer just because Google (and their never ending list of crappy betaware) won't own up to violating patents and instead leaves their customers holding the bag.
Now on with my 100 lashes of downrating from the M$ Hater$...
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[citation][nom]gogogadgetliver[/nom]oh now you're not buying a WP7 phone huh? Like you were going to buy one before. /eyerollAs for the patent: 1) wait and see. Microsoft does have a HUGE portfolio of patents. They put what 9 billion into R&D each year and you expect them not to defend their intellectual property?2) Don't like our patent system? Me either but hate the game, not the player. Google, HTC, Apple, Motorola all do the SAME thing.3) MS licenses technology without stealing it yet we conveniently forget about that and accuse them of being a bully.4) Ballmer is 100% right about one thing: If android violates a patent then it's the OEM that is up the creek, not Google. If Windows Phone 7 violates a patent then Microsoft has guaranteed they'll cover the legal costs.Don't go bitching about Ballmer just because Google (and their never ending list of crappy betaware) won't own up to violating patents and instead leaves their customers holding the bag.Now on with my 100 lashes of downrating from the M$ Hater$...[/citation]
+1 from me, only people who will thumb you down are Android fanbois who don't know what they are defending.
+1 from me, only people who will thumb you down are Android fanbois who don't know what they are defending.
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Except RAMBUS don't actually make anything or have any products.Microsoft, however, have patents on products and ideas that they actually implement.OrDid you forget that tidbit of information?[/citation]
Just a side note, MS does sell products themselves, but has several partners and shell companies that do just that. Use patents like a 2x4 to slam people and other companies. They are just a diverse patent troll.
Just a side note, MS does sell products themselves, but has several partners and shell companies that do just that. Use patents like a 2x4 to slam people and other companies. They are just a diverse patent troll.
[citation][nom]ares1214[/nom]Dont worry, Apple will soon sue MS for using metal that melts, claiming MS was using liquid metal, MS will sue Apple for having an OS, Apple sues Google for having a better OS, then Microsoft sues Google for being cheaper, then Google sues Microsoft for having Bing, then Bing Sues Yahoo for its nonsense, then Google sues Microsoft for sueing them, and Apple sues everybody for breathing air, which they just put a patent on. These suits and patents are nonsense and are completely destroying things...[/citation]
I think how it is rediculous that a system that is supposed to prevent companies/people from stealing each others ideas is being used so much to steal each other's money simply because the other company happen to get the same idea or come up with something similar that it fits their broad patent description.
It's like playing Monopoly but the first person that builds a hotel gets to make everyone else that builds hotels pay the first person that built one to have one of their own just because they were first to build one. Seriously who cares who was first? The system should be designed so that it can encourage people to focus on moving forward with NEW ideas and inventions not so companies can get all caught up in "old" technologies and have money/lawyer wars....
All that effort companies put into patenting things could just be used in R&D or something and they would all benefit/save money.
I think how it is rediculous that a system that is supposed to prevent companies/people from stealing each others ideas is being used so much to steal each other's money simply because the other company happen to get the same idea or come up with something similar that it fits their broad patent description.
It's like playing Monopoly but the first person that builds a hotel gets to make everyone else that builds hotels pay the first person that built one to have one of their own just because they were first to build one. Seriously who cares who was first? The system should be designed so that it can encourage people to focus on moving forward with NEW ideas and inventions not so companies can get all caught up in "old" technologies and have money/lawyer wars....
All that effort companies put into patenting things could just be used in R&D or something and they would all benefit/save money.
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Steve Ballmer is a moron. He seems to be under the impression that it's impossible to create a competing OS without violating Microsoft patents. Android doesn't violate any patents from Microsoft or Oracle. Maybe Microsoft should focus on making a better mobile operating system instead of throwing that money away in baseless lawsuits.
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[citation][nom]mikem_90[/nom]Just a side note, MS does sell products themselves, but has several partners and shell companies that do just that. Use patents like a 2x4 to slam people and other companies. They are just a diverse patent troll.[/citation]
You mean rather than employ lawyers to fight patent suits they have a dedicated legal company, a wholely owned subsidiary, that exclusively does Microsoft cases?
OK, so i'm still not surprised or shocked, you show me any large corporation that doesn't have a dedicated legal department.
When you spend $9 billion a year on R&D, if you don't have a shell legal company to defend your property you deserve to get ripped off.
You mean rather than employ lawyers to fight patent suits they have a dedicated legal company, a wholely owned subsidiary, that exclusively does Microsoft cases?
OK, so i'm still not surprised or shocked, you show me any large corporation that doesn't have a dedicated legal department.
When you spend $9 billion a year on R&D, if you don't have a shell legal company to defend your property you deserve to get ripped off.
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Kezix - Why would you bother putting money into R&D at all then? Let the other guy do it then make your own implementation.
And if a patent is indeed overly broad then it gets invalidated during the subsequent court case. It would be nice if the patent office could catch slip ups like that earlier but lets face it: They are underfunded (just like the DMV, Schools and every other failing part of our govornment).
And if a patent is indeed overly broad then it gets invalidated during the subsequent court case. It would be nice if the patent office could catch slip ups like that earlier but lets face it: They are underfunded (just like the DMV, Schools and every other failing part of our govornment).
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[citation][nom]gogogadgetliver[/nom]2) Don't like our patent system? Me either but hate the game, not the player. Google, HTC, Apple, Motorola all do the SAME thing.[/citation]
I am discontent with the players who take advantage/exploit of the patent system, which they treat as a game. 😛
I am discontent with the players who take advantage/exploit of the patent system, which they treat as a game. 😛
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