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Greetings All,

I am a history lover, not a gamer. No disrespect but that's the
way it is. However, I am enlightened enough to know that when looking
for in-depth articles on subjects like Victorian "Little Wars", well
then Gaming sites and mags are a first stop. One site that I thought
was fun to read was: http://www.savageandsoldier.com/index.html .
Milton Soong's ambitious attempt to move a large amount of old mag.
issues to the web.

Well, what happened? Some stuff is there, but apparently the work
was abandoned(?) mid-stream and I see no news past about 2000. The
listed e-mail bounced. Does anyone know anything about this? At the
risk of insulting those whom I've asked for help, there seems to
be a broad decline in minature gaming over the last few years based on
either the number of broken links or the lack of web-site "updates".

TIA,
Andrew
 
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Reticulum wrote:
> Well, what happened? Some stuff is there, but apparently the work
> was abandoned(?) mid-stream and I see no news past about 2000. The
> listed e-mail bounced. Does anyone know anything about this? At the
> risk of insulting those whom I've asked for help, there seems to
> be a broad decline in minature gaming over the last few years based on
> either the number of broken links or the lack of web-site "updates".
>
> TIA,
> Andrew
I don't aobut the S&S project but I'd say there have been a
proliferation of miniatures wargaming websites rather than decline.
More likely you have noticed a number of sites that have died or become
stagnant because web sites IN GENERAL have a high mortality rate,
especially nonprofit personal pages. There is also some amount of
consolidation of efforts as a few sites like TMP or Fanaticus become the
focus of like-minded people (TMP for the hobby in general, Fanaticus for
DBA... Back when I was interested in WAB there seemed to be some
centralization of effort at the Old Sage site.)
 
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On Mon, 31 May 2004 21:26:01 GMT, Mike Monaco
<mmonaco.No@Spam.neo.rr.com> wrote:

>
>
>Reticulum wrote:
>> Well, what happened? Some stuff is there, but apparently the work
>> was abandoned(?) mid-stream and I see no news past about 2000. The
>> listed e-mail bounced. Does anyone know anything about this? At the
>> risk of insulting those whom I've asked for help, there seems to
>> be a broad decline in minature gaming over the last few years based on
>> either the number of broken links or the lack of web-site "updates".
>>
>> TIA,
>> Andrew
>I don't aobut the S&S project but I'd say there have been a
>proliferation of miniatures wargaming websites rather than decline.
>More likely you have noticed a number of sites that have died or become
>stagnant because web sites IN GENERAL have a high mortality rate,
>especially nonprofit personal pages. There is also some amount of
>consolidation of efforts as a few sites like TMP or Fanaticus become the
>focus of like-minded people (TMP for the hobby in general, Fanaticus for
> DBA... Back when I was interested in WAB there seemed to be some
>centralization of effort at the Old Sage site.)

Huh? TMP, WAB, and DBA are TLA's which IMO I "no sabe."

TIA,

Andrew
 
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> Milton Soong's ambitious attempt to move a large amount of old mag.
> issues to the web.
>
> Well, what happened? Some stuff is there, but apparently the work

Don't underestimate the massive amount of work that something like that is.

Real life often can, and does intefere. Not to mention actually playing
a few games yourself!
--
Regards, Pat

Last Played: NWS: WWI, Monty's Gamble, Wilderness War
 
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On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 01:16:32 GMT, "Pat Collins"
<tippecanoe@netzero.net> wrote:

>> Milton Soong's ambitious attempt to move a large amount of old mag.
>> issues to the web.
>>
>> Well, what happened? Some stuff is there, but apparently the work
>
>Don't underestimate the massive amount of work that something like that is.
>
>Real life often can, and does intefere. Not to mention actually playing
>a few games yourself!

Definitely not, Pat. He asked for proof readers at one point
and I would be willing to help. I'm not slamming him, in fact I had
a secret hope he'd pop-up here and speak for himself. But you
can be sure I'm no ingrate !

Thanks,

Andrew
 
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From the Yahoo ColonialWars Group 20/5/04....62516


I have reached a deal with Russ Lockwood of
Magweb, and will have
Magweb to be the sole web presence for Savage and
Soldier (I have no
cycles to do S&S justice nowadays).

After a short while after Russ is done with the
savageandsoldier
website, I will take the site down at that time.

For those of you interested, the Sudan Special issue
is already online.
http://www.magweb.com/

Milton Soong

Reticulum wrote:

> Greetings All,
>
> I am a history lover, not a gamer. No disrespect but that's the
> way it is. However, I am enlightened enough to know that when looking
> for in-depth articles on subjects like Victorian "Little Wars", well
> then Gaming sites and mags are a first stop. One site that I thought
> was fun to read was: http://www.savageandsoldier.com/index.html .
> Milton Soong's ambitious attempt to move a large amount of old mag.
> issues to the web.
>
> Well, what happened? Some stuff is there, but apparently the work
> was abandoned(?) mid-stream and I see no news past about 2000. The
> listed e-mail bounced. Does anyone know anything about this? At the
> risk of insulting those whom I've asked for help, there seems to
> be a broad decline in minature gaming over the last few years based on
> either the number of broken links or the lack of web-site "updates".
>
> TIA,
> Andrew
 
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> Andrew --
>
> I strongly urge that you spring for a MagWeb subscription. It's a wonderful
> resource. Dedicated colonial mags include:
>
> Age of Empires (formerly Colonial Conquest)...History 1815-1914.
> Clash of Empires...19th Century European Wars.
> Colonial Conquest...Victorian-era colonial history.
> Dragoman...History of the Ottoman Empire.
> The Heliograph...Victorian Colonial history and wargaming.
>
> Plus, there are dozens of other general mags that might include colonial
> articles.
>
> --Ty

OK, Ty. Thx. I think there's a fairly cheap one-week "ticket".
I could try out out later this summer when I'm off and can really
loot the site for all it's worth ! Colonial Era stuff is what interests
me most - though I include most any Little Wars in that such as Fillipino
Insurgency as well as Pre/Post WWI action in africa and NWF as long as it's
basically a major colonial Power vs. "locals". That potentially covers a
lot of ground.

Andrew
 
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reply@grouponly.com wrote:
> On Mon, 31 May 2004 21:26:01 GMT, Mike Monaco
> <mmonaco.No@Spam.neo.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Reticulum wrote:
>>
>>> Well, what happened? Some stuff is there, but apparently the work
>>>was abandoned(?) mid-stream and I see no news past about 2000. The
>>>listed e-mail bounced. Does anyone know anything about this? At the
>>>risk of insulting those whom I've asked for help, there seems to
>>>be a broad decline in minature gaming over the last few years based on
>>>either the number of broken links or the lack of web-site "updates".
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>> Andrew
>>
>>I don't aobut the S&S project but I'd say there have been a
>>proliferation of miniatures wargaming websites rather than decline.
>>More likely you have noticed a number of sites that have died or become
>>stagnant because web sites IN GENERAL have a high mortality rate,
>>especially nonprofit personal pages. There is also some amount of
>>consolidation of efforts as a few sites like TMP or Fanaticus become the
>>focus of like-minded people (TMP for the hobby in general, Fanaticus for
>> DBA... Back when I was interested in WAB there seemed to be some
>>centralization of effort at the Old Sage site.)
>
>
> Huh? TMP, WAB, and DBA are TLA's which IMO I "no sabe."
>
> TIA,
>
> Andrew
What's a TLA? :)

TMP = The Miniatures Page ... nothing but miniatures stuff, so probably
not your cuppa.

WAB = Warhammer Ancient Battles ... a rule set

DBA = De Bellis Antiqutatis ... another rule set

Fanaticus has lots of historical articles but mainly from a gamer's
perspective. Still, the army notes section has a lot of basic info any
ancients enthusiast might enjoy.

Lastly there has been an explosion of yahoo groups and other discussion
lists. Several lists have 1000+ members, and even the smaller ones are
active. Lately a group for discussing the Moundbuilders of ancient
America has gone up, to give you an idea of the diversity.

No, miniatures wargaming on the web is not declining by any stretch. In
the real world, there is also a prolifation of rules sets and figure
manufacturers in every imaginable scale.

--Mike
 
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On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 11:49:02 GMT, Mike Monaco
>What's a TLA? :)
>
Mike,

My apologies for missing your question. It was an old joke.
A "TLA" is a "Three Letter Acronym". Like DBA, WAB ,.... or
FBI, or CIA, or,.... Well, you get the idea.

The New Hacker's Dictionary, 2nd Ed. is a,sadly, now
often forgotten source of such things. If you're old enough to
remember your teachers telling you not to "bend, fold, spindle,
or mutilate your punch cards" then you'd like it. From the
defintion for TLA's:

> "In 1989 a random of the journalistic persuasion asked hacker
> Paul Boutin, ' What do you think will be the biggest problem
> in computing in thr 90's? '. Paul's straight-faced response:
> 'There are only 17,000 Three Letter Acronyms.' (To be exact
> there are 26^3 = 17,576 .) "

Andrew
 
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On 31 May 2004, Reticulum wrote:

> Greetings All,
>
> I am a history lover, not a gamer. No disrespect but that's the
> way it is. However, I am enlightened enough to know that when looking
> for in-depth articles on subjects like Victorian "Little Wars", well
> then Gaming sites and mags are a first stop. One site that I thought
> was fun to read was: http://www.savageandsoldier.com/index.html .
> Milton Soong's ambitious attempt to move a large amount of old mag.
> issues to the web.

There is a current commercial project on these lines, with which I am not
connected except that they run GAME! through there:

http://www.magweb.com

George Phillies
http://www.3mpub.com/phillies
 
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On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:26:50 -0400, "George D. Phillies"
<phillies@WPI.EDU> wrote:

>
>
>On 31 May 2004, Reticulum wrote:
>
>> Greetings All,
>>
>> I am a history lover, not a gamer. No disrespect but that's the
>> way it is. However, I am enlightened enough to know that when looking
>> for in-depth articles on subjects like Victorian "Little Wars", well
>> then Gaming sites and mags are a first stop. One site that I thought
>> was fun to read was: http://www.savageandsoldier.com/index.html .
>> Milton Soong's ambitious attempt to move a large amount of old mag.
>> issues to the web.
>
>There is a current commercial project on these lines, with which I am not
>connected except that they run GAME! through there:
>
>http://www.magweb.com
>
>George Phillies
> http://www.3mpub.com/phillies


And here I thought I'd found another fan of Da Phillies.

Alas
 
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Photocopies of back issues of Savage & Soldier are still available. Please
contact me directly if you would like information on how to purchase them.

Bob Burke
 
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