[SOLVED] Mind Blowingly Awful Benchmarks

[TheIgnoramus]

Despite my current build being fairly substantial on paper, the benchmarks I'm getting are truly awful. According to userbenchmark, 'out of 100 PCs with exactly the same components, 99 performed better. ' Other benchmarks I tried are showing similar results. This is after I just upgraded to a geforce rtx 3080! Apparently, ALL my components are performing badly, even including the gpu. Each component is in the bottom 2 percentile or worse. What is going on? How is it even possible to run your PC as badly as this?

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/52527596 (new test with low background CPU. Now only 97 out of 100 PCs do better, yay..)

If anyone has any idea what I could be messing up here, or what could be the problem, please tell me. It's quite dismaying when the game you upgrade your gpu to play (Atelier Sophie 2) still has the same bad performance after you spend a thousand dollars X_X.
(Also, since I can see this coming up, I did install the latest drivers with geforce experience already)

 

[Bob.B]

Despite my current build being fairly substantial on paper, the benchmarks I'm getting are truly awful. According to userbenchmark, 'out of 100 PCs with exactly the same components, 99 performed better. ' Other benchmarks I tried are showing similar results. This is after I just upgraded to a geforce rtx 3080! Apparently, ALL my components are performing badly, even including the gpu. Each component is in the bottom 2 percentile or worse. What is going on? How is it even possible to run your PC as badly as this?

https://www.userbenchmark.com/userrun/14252627

If anyone has any idea what I could be messing up here, or what could be the problem, please tell me. It's quite dismaying when the game you upgrade your gpu to play (Atelier Sophie 2) still has the same bad performance after you spend a thousand dollars X_X.
(Also, since I can see this coming up, I did install the latest drivers with geforce experience already)

Run UBM again but this time reboot and let the machine sit for a few mins.
Then run UBM with the browser closed.
Post a link to the results.

 

[sizzling]

The cpu was throttled for the test, it ran at 0.8GHz. What temperature is the cpu when just in Windows and when running the test?

 

[rickypicky5]

What is the make/model/age of your power supply?

 

[bignastyid]

???
Test shows it was run in Jan of 2019 also has a 2070 not the 3080 you said you just upgraded to.

 

[TheIgnoramus]

Run UBM again but this time reboot and let the machine sit for a few mins.
Then run UBM with the browser closed.
Post a link to the results.

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/52527596
Here's new test. Only 4% background CPU this time. Now only 97 out of 100 similar computers run better than mine, lmao. All components still performing terribly.

What is the make/model/age of your power supply?

Brand new Gigabyte P750GM. Just installed it along with GPU into a new case.

The cpu was throttled for the test, it ran at 0.8GHz. What temperature is the cpu when just in Windows and when running the test?

Well that sounds problematic. How do you check the temperature?

 

[DSzymborski]

Probably AMD Overdrive. Measuring those ancient FX chip temperatures was always a pain.

Is there going to be a platform upgrade in the near future? If not, you've poured a lot of money on components that you'll never get the full benefit of; as it stands this is one of the strangest configurations I've seen in a long time. If you're not, I'd urge you to get a refund on the GPU. The PSU as well; you may not need a new PSU and if you do, I'm certainly not comfortable with this one given Gigabyte's recent history of explosions.

 

[TheIgnoramus]

Probably AMD Overdrive. Measuring those ancient FX chip temperatures was always a pain.

Is there going to be a platform upgrade in the near future? If not, you've poured a lot of money on components that you'll never get the full benefit of; as it stands this is one of the strangest configurations I've seen in a long time. If you're not, I'd urge you to get a refund on the GPU. The PSU as well; you may not need a new PSU and if you do, I'm certainly not comfortable with this one given Gigabyte's recent history of explosions.

What do you mean by 'platform upgrade' ? My components are just bad? What needs upgrading? I figured the CPU wasn't super good.

 

[TheIgnoramus]

The cpu was throttled for the test, it ran at 0.8GHz. What temperature is the cpu when just in Windows and when running the test?

Okay I used NXZT cam. When just sitting in firefox it's at 17 degrees, 700 mhz, and sits between 8 and 33% load depending on what background processes are doing.
And during the userbenchmark... the load went up, but the temp and mhz stayed the exact same... so yeah I guess that means it's getting throttled. Idk anything about that - what could be causing it and how do you unthrottle it?

 

[DSzymborski]

What do you mean by 'platform upgrade' ? My components are just bad? What needs upgrading? I figured the CPU wasn't super good.

The CPU is a budget CPU from a decade ago that was disappointing for gaming even then. Even the 125W FX CPUs see much, much reduced benefit above a GTX 970 or so. Your old RTX 2060 was already largely wasted. I don't want to see you drop a thousand bucks for performance you're largely never going to get with this CPU.

 

[DSzymborski]

Okay I used NXZT cam. When just sitting in firefox it's at 17 degrees, 700 mhz, and sits between 8 and 33% load depending on what background processes are doing.
And during the userbenchmark... the load went up, but the temp and mhz stayed the exact same... so yeah I guess that means it's getting throttled. Idk anything about that - what could be causing it and how do you unthrottle it?

You need to use AMD Overdrive. It's not 17 degrees. Software has a lot of trouble reading those FX CPUs. You need to use AMD Overdrive and look at the thermal margin (Larger is better, it's distance to throttling).

 

[TheIgnoramus]

The CPU is a budget CPU from a decade ago that was disappointing for gaming even then. Even the 125W FX CPUs see much, much reduced benefit above a GTX 970 or so. Your old RTX 2060 was already largely wasted. I don't want to see you drop a thousand bucks for performance you're largely never going to get with this CPU.

Oh, lol. I guess I looked at the positive reviews for the CPU and thought 'yeah this is still fine.' Well, I guess I have to upgrade the CPU (and right after just putting this together, sigh...). Anything in particular you would recommend? At least, something good enough to realize the power of the GPU? Also, do I need to upgrade motherboard, or does that really matter?

 

[bignastyid]

What do you mean by 'platform upgrade' ? My components are just bad? What needs upgrading? I figured the CPU wasn't super good.

By todays standards that ancient FX 6300 is just bad.

You need a full platform upgrade(motherboard, cpu and ram) to get the most out of your 3080.

 

[bignastyid]

Brand new Gigabyte P750GM. Just installed it along with GPU into a new case.

Can you still return this? It's not a good choice for a 3080 and are notorious for failing. Gigabyte even recalled some of them, but even the ones not under recall still have problems.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JmPUr-BeEM

 

[TheIgnoramus]

Can you still return this? It's not a good choice for a 3080 and are notorious for failing. Gigabyte even recalled some of them, but even the ones not under recall still have problems.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JmPUr-BeEM

I made the decision just because it had a gold rating and was on the cheaper side. If you recommend something I'll probably go with that.

 

[bignastyid]

I made the decision just because it had a gold rating and was on the cheaper side. If you recommend something I'll probably go with that.

Off the top of my head 850w Corsair RMX , SuperFlower Leadex III or XPG Core Reactor.

 

[TheIgnoramus]

Thanks guys. Also, I can see DSzymborski has their specs listed - they even have the same GPU as me lol. I already have Ryzen 9 5900x in my cart, haha. I'm still wondering about the motherboard though. How much does motherboard matter?

 

[bignastyid]

Thanks guys. Also, I can see DSzymborski has their specs listed - they even have the same GPU as me lol. I already have Ryzen 9 5900x in my cart, haha. I'm still wondering about the motherboard though. How much does motherboard matter?

Your motherboard is not compatible with a current gen CPU. Neither is your ram.
Your current motherboard is socket AM3, the Ryzen 5900 is socket AM4.
Your ram is DDR3 the Ryzen 5900 uses DDR4.

 

[DSzymborski]

Oh, lol. I guess I looked at the positive reviews for the CPU and thought 'yeah this is still fine.' Well, I guess I have to upgrade the CPU (and right after just putting this together, sigh...). Anything in particular you would recommend? At least, something good enough to realize the power of the GPU? Also, do I need to upgrade motherboard, or does that really matter?

What happened to the 9700K?

 

[TheIgnoramus]

Okay so after browsing around, looks to me like a Ryzen 9 5900X (stolen from DSzymborski) and Asus AM4 TUF Gaming X570-Plus motherboard are going to fix my performance. That sounds good?

What happened to the 9700K?

I don't know what this means o_o

 

[bignastyid]

Here's a couple of upgrade optios 1 Intel and ! AMD
Intel
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor ($369.99 @ Best Buy)
Motherboard: ASRock Z690 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $599.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-05-11 14:16 EDT-0400

AMD
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor ($389.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $619.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-05-11 14:17 EDT-0400

Note: Both builds still need a CPU cooler. But we need to know what case you have before we can recommend one that we are sure will fit.

Also for strictly gaming the Intel is a bit better.

 

[TheIgnoramus]

Here's a couple of upgrade optios 1 Intel and ! AMD
Intel
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor ($369.99 @ Best Buy)
Motherboard: ASRock Z690 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $599.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-05-11 14:16 EDT-0400

AMD
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor ($389.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $619.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-05-11 14:17 EDT-0400

Note: Both builds still need a CPU cooler. But we need to know what case you have before we can recommend one that we are sure will fit.

Also for strictly gaming the Intel is a bit better.

I also do a good amount of unity development so I don't know if that changes what is better or not. Is it worth it to pay more for a motherboard to get the X570 chipset (afaik it's considered the best chipset). I already have what I think is a pretty good cpu fan, and as of yet don't know anything about liquid cooling.

 

[Rokinamerica]

What happened to the 9700k?
I don't know what this means o_o

In your original link the test showed a 2080 with a 9700K. Where did that go?

 

[TheIgnoramus]

In your original link the test showed a 2080 with a 9700K. Where did that go?

I think that was just an error. I have an rtx 3080.

 

[Bob.B]

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/52527596
Here's new test. Only 4% background CPU this time. Now only 97 out of 100 similar computers run better than mine, lmao. All components still performing terribly.

Reread what I wrote about reboot/wait/browser closed.
Try ubm again.

 

[TheIgnoramus]

Reread what I wrote about reboot/wait/browser closed.
Try ubm again.

Yes, that's what the new test was.

 

[Bob.B]

Yes, that's what the new test was.

No it's not.
That shows your up time as .9 days.
Unless you waited 2+hrs after the reboot to run ubm.

 

[bignastyid]

I also do a good amount of unity development so I don't know if that changes what is better or not. Is it worth it to pay more for a motherboard to get the X570 chipset (afaik it's considered the best chipset). I already have what I think is a pretty good cpu fan, and as of yet don't know anything about liquid cooling.

CPU performance wise there isn't going to be any difference between a B550 and an X570. The main difference is going to be PCI-e lanes for the extra slots and M.2 ports.

For development likely better off with the 5900x and you may also want to bump the ram upto 32Gb. Game development is definitely not my area of expertise though.

What CPU cooler do you have now?

 

[TheIgnoramus]

CPU performance wise there isn't going to be any difference between a B550 and an X570. The main difference is going to be PCI-e lanes for the extra slots and M.2 ports.

For development likely better off with the 5900x and you may also want to bump the ram upto 32Gb. Game development is definitely not my area of expertise though.

What CPU cooler do you have now?

Cooler Master Hyper H412R 34.1
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vbfhP6/cooler-master-hyper-h412r-341-cfm-cpu-cooler-rr-h412-20pk-r2