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My Mirari is in play:
Color= Artifact Type= Legendary Artifact Cost= 5 OD(R)
Text (OD): Whenever you play an instant or sorcery spell, you may pay {3}. If
you do, put a copy of that spell onto the stack. You may choose new targets for
the copy


I play Regrowth:
Color= Green Type= Sorcery Cost= 1G A(U)/B(U)/U(U)/R(U)
Text (RV+errata): Return target card from your graveyard to your hand. [Oracle
1999/09/03]


Upon playing Regrowth, can I then activate the Mirari to copy Regrowth and
recover said Regrowth card from my graveyard?

Thanks

BH
 
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On 13 Jul 2004 04:13:38 GMT, LBradH <lbradh@aol.commmono> wrote:
>My Mirari is in play:
>Whenever you play an instant or sorcery spell, you may pay {3}. If
>you do, put a copy of that spell onto the stack. You may choose new targets for
>the copy
>
>I play Regrowth:
>Return target card from your graveyard to your hand.
>
>Upon playing Regrowth, can I then activate the Mirari to copy Regrowth and
>recover said Regrowth card from my graveyard?

You can't "activate" Mirari at all. Ever. It does not have an activated ability
- it has no colon, and no cost on the left and effect on the right.

Mirari starts with "When", "Whenever", or "At", so is a?

Triggered ability, correct. Now, since you just played a Sorcery spell, the
Mirari triggers and its ability goes on the stack on top of the Regrowth; you
get no choice about that. No target is chosen, since Mirari's ability doesn't
target anything (it triggers for each and every Instant and Sorcery spell you
cast).

Pass, pass.

Mirari's ability resolves: you may now pay 3. (If you don't pay, Mirari's
ability does nothing else, finishes resolving, and you're left with just the
Regrowth on the stack.) Assuming you pay, you then put a copy of the Regrowth
on the stack, on top of the Mirari ability and the original Regrowth spell;
you may choose a different target card-in-your-graveyard than the original
Regrowth chose (and this is generally a good idea).

Now: is the original Regrowth a card in the graveyard?

No, it is not; it is currently a spell on the stack (unless someone _countered_
it in response to the Mirari ability, but you did not mention this). Regrowth
can't target a spell on the stack; it doesn't say it can do so. So you have to
pick a card currently in your graveyard.

Pass, pass; the copy of Regrowth resolves, and puts its chosen target card-in-
your-graveyard into your hand. The copy then finishes resolving, goes to the
graveyard, and Dissolves as a state-based effect.

Pass, pass; the original Regrowth resolves, and puts ITS chosen target card-in-
your-graveyard into your hand. The original then finishes resolving, and goes
to your graveyard. NOW there is a Regrowth card in your graveyard, but notice
that this is long after the copy of Regrowth has fully finished resolving, and
long long after you picked a target for that copy.

Short answer: no, the Regrowth won't be in the graveyard until waaaay too late
to choose it as a target for the Regrowth-copy.

Dave
--
\/David DeLaney posting from dbd@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
 
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"LBradH" <lbradh@aol.commmono> wrote in message
news:20040713001338.26548.00001568@mb-m03.aol.com...
> My Mirari is in play:
> Color= Artifact Type= Legendary Artifact Cost= 5 OD(R)
> Text (OD): Whenever you play an instant or sorcery spell, you may pay {3}.
If
> you do, put a copy of that spell onto the stack. You may choose new
targets for
> the copy
>
> I play Regrowth:
> Color= Green Type= Sorcery Cost= 1G A(U)/B(U)/U(U)/R(U)
> Text (RV+errata): Return target card from your graveyard to your hand.
[Oracle
> 1999/09/03]
>
> Upon playing Regrowth, can I then activate the Mirari to copy Regrowth and
> recover said Regrowth card from my graveyard?

Nope. You play your original Regrowth, which goes on the stack, then
your Mirari triggers and that effect goes on the stack on top of the
original. You pay your 3 mana, so it copies your Regrowth and puts the copy
on the stack. Now your copy resolves, but your original Regrowth is still
sitting on the stack, so it's not in the graveyard, so you can't copy it. So
your Regrowth copy has to target something else. Once that resolves, your
original Regrowth will resolve, targeting whatever you were aiming at, and
then *after it resolves* it is put in the graveyard.
Now, what you CAN do, once you have one Regrowth in the yard, is you can
play another from your hand, Mirari copy that Regrowth, then have one of
those target the Regrowth in the yard and the other one target something
else. That'll give you a cycle where you can keep getting back a Regrowth
every time while also recovering something else.
 
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, David DeLaney wrote:

> On 13 Jul 2004 04:13:38 GMT, LBradH <lbradh@aol.commmono> wrote:
> >My Mirari is in play: Whenever you play an instant or sorcery
> >spell, you may pay {3}. If you do, put a copy of that spell onto
> >the stack. You may choose new targets for the copy
> >
> >I play Regrowth: Return target card from your graveyard to your
> >hand.
> >
> >Upon playing Regrowth, can I then activate the Mirari to copy
> >Regrowth and recover said Regrowth card from my graveyard?
>
> You can't "activate" Mirari at all. Ever. It does not have an
> activated ability - it has no colon, and no cost on the left and
> effect on the right.
>
> Mirari starts with "When", "Whenever", or "At", so is a?
>
> Triggered ability, correct. Now, since you just played a Sorcery
> spell, the Mirari triggers and its ability goes on the stack on top
> of the Regrowth; you get no choice about that. No target is chosen,
> since Mirari's ability doesn't target anything (it triggers for each
> and every Instant and Sorcery spell you cast).
>
> Pass, pass.
>
> Mirari's ability resolves: you may now pay 3. (If you don't pay,
> Mirari's ability does nothing else, finishes resolving, and you're
> left with just the Regrowth on the stack.) Assuming you pay, you
> then put a copy of the Regrowth on the stack, on top of the Mirari
> ability and the original Regrowth spell; you may choose a different
> target card-in-your-graveyard than the original Regrowth chose (and
> this is generally a good idea).
>
> Now: is the original Regrowth a card in the graveyard?
>
> No, it is not; it is currently a spell on the stack (unless someone
> _countered_ it in response to the Mirari ability, but you did not
> mention this).

Now assume it was countered in response to the Mirari ability. Could
Mirari still put a copy of it on the stack using last known
information? Or does it have to exist to make a copy of it?

--

David
 
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I'll hazard a guess here:

I cast Regrowth and the triggered ability of Mirari fires off. I tap 3 to put
a copy of Regrowth on the stack.

My opponent plays Counterspell targeting the original Regrowth.

I'd say that the copy of Regrowth still works given the last known information,
so he would have to burn two counterspells if he wants to negate both Regrowths
 
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Chris Wiegert (cwiegert@telus.net) wrote:

: Now, what you CAN do, once you have one Regrowth in the yard, is you can
: play another from your hand,

That would be a neat trick, seeing as it's restricted or banned in every
known format... :)


Keith
 
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David de Kloet <dskloet@cs.vu.nl> wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, David DeLaney wrote:
>> of the Regrowth; you get no choice about that. No target is chosen,
>> since Mirari's ability doesn't target anything (it triggers for each
>> and every Instant and Sorcery spell you cast).
....
>> No, it is not; it is currently a spell on the stack (unless someone
>> _countered_ it in response to the Mirari ability, but you did not
>> mention this).
>
>Now assume it was countered in response to the Mirari ability. Could
>Mirari still put a copy of it on the stack using last known
>information? Or does it have to exist to make a copy of it?

Mirari's ability doesn't target anything, so will resolve, and will make the
copy if possible. And, yes, does use LKI - in this case, because the spell
it's looking for on the stack isn't there any more. So it uses the LKI of
that spell to make the copy from.

Copy-a-spell things that -target- the spell to copy would get countered,
instead, for missing target. But Mirari isn't targetted. (Ditto for Unstable
Shapeshifter and Dual Nature, by the way.)

Dave
--
\/David DeLaney posting from dbd@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
 
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"Keith Piddington" <uj551@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message
news:40f41972@news.victoria.tc.ca...
> Chris Wiegert (cwiegert@telus.net) wrote:
>
> : Now, what you CAN do, once you have one Regrowth in the yard, is you
can
> : play another from your hand,
>
> That would be a neat trick, seeing as it's restricted or banned in every
> known format... :)

Including casual format? 😛
 
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