[SOLVED] mobo for cpu

[kostask5]

What would be the best budget friendly mobo for an i7 9700?

 

[WildCard999]

Any of these B365 boards would suffice, just make sure you have good cooling for that CPU.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#c=136&sort=price&page=1

 

[kostask5]

Any of these B365 boards would suffice, just make sure you have good cooling for that CPU.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#c=136&sort=price&page=1

Is b365 the only boards that work for this cpu?I got an air cooler i hope it will be enough Do i lose anything important by going to a cheaper mobo cause i dont like spending much on the mobo.Is there a reason to go for the more expensive ones?Also whats the difference in atx and micro atx and uatx?their size?

 

[WildCard999]

Is b365 the only boards that work for this cpu?I got an air cooler i hope it will be enough

Older boards such as the H310, B360, H370 or Z370 will work as long as the BIOS has been updated but if you look at H310 boards make sure that it will support that CPU on the motherboard CPU support list. Some very low end H310 boards though I don't think I'd trust to run the 9700 effectively.

 

[kostask5]

Older boards such as the H310, B360, H370 or Z370 will work as long as the BIOS has been updated but if you look at H310 boards make sure that it will support that CPU on the motherboard CPU support list. Some very low end H310 boards though I don't think I'd trust to run the 9700 effectively.

I can drop about 100euros maybe a bit more for a mobo i want a good one that can run the cpu perfectly and support up to 3200mhz ram vengeance i just dont extra features like rgb and stuff.

 

[WildCard999]

The only boards that support faster memory is the Z370/Z390 boards which start at your max budget and those few Z370's you need to make sure the BIOS is updated enough to even use that 9700.
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#sort=price&c=128,135

 

[kostask5]

The only boards that support faster memory is the Z370/Z390 boards which start at your max budget and those few Z370's you need to make sure the BIOS is updated enough to even use that 9700.
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#sort=price&c=128,135

Oh ok thnx i see so should i go for the msi one which one of these would be the best choice?

 

[WildCard999]

I prefer Asrock or Gigabyte but any of those should work as long as the BIOS has been updated. You may want to contact the retailer to find out.

 

[kostask5]

I prefer Asrock or Gigabyte but any of those should work as long as the BIOS has been updated. You may want to contact the retailer to find out.

Is there a chance their bios will not be updated? Even the more expensive z390 ones?and is there a way to check if its updated before i buy the mobo?

 

[kostask5]

Is there a chance their bios will not be updated? Even the more expensive z390 ones?and is there a way to check if its updated before i buy the mobo?

I was also considering ryzen 3600 but it has fewer cores than 9700 and needs more expensive mobos

 

[WildCard999]

I was also considering ryzen 3600 but it has fewer cores than 9700 and needs more expensive mobos

The 3600 has two less cores but makes up for it with 12 threads. As for the motherboard that's not exactly true. Some MSI boards (not all) have a feature built in that allows you to update the motherboard without a CPU. A good one is the MSI B450 Tomahawk. Another benefit of 3rd gen Ryzen is that the stock cooler is sufficient enough to keep the 3600 within safe limits.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTkXunUAriE

 

[NightHawkRMX]

3600 has fewer cores than the 9700, but 4 more threads. Similar to the 9700, the 3600 can work fine in older motherboards with an updated BIOS revision.

Even a $65 B450 would suffice for the R5 3600 if it has the board has the bios updated. As WildCard stated, MSI boards with BIOS flashback can have the bios updated without a CPU in case the 3600 is incompatible. The MSI board for $65 does not have this feature, but this $85 MSI motherboard does.

The 9700 is a slightly better CPU, but not by much and it costs much more. The 3600 comes with a better cooler out of the box and due to the lower cost will enable you to spend more on your graphics card.

 

[kostask5]

The 3600 has two less cores but makes up for it with 12 threads. As for the motherboard that's not exactly true. Some MSI boards (not all) have a feature built in that allows you to update the motherboard without a CPU. A good one is the MSI B450 Tomahawk. Another benefit of 3rd gen Ryzen is that the stock cooler is sufficient enough to keep the 3600 within safe limits.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTkXunUAriE

Will the 3600 have a better or worse gaming performance tho? Also this mobo is sadly not available in my country is there another similar to it? I Appreciate the help

 

[WildCard999]

Will the 3600 have a better or worse gaming performance tho? Also this mobo is sadly not available in my country is there another similar to it? I Appreciate the help

It's a pretty small difference but it also comes down to the resolution.

Is the B450 Tomahawk MAX available?

 

[kostask5]

It's a pretty small difference but it also comes down to the resolution.

Is the B450 Tomahawk MAX available?

I mostly play at 1080p 144hz sadly this one isnt available either

 

[WildCard999]

Post the site your buying from & budget and i'll try to find a board that has that feature.

 

[kostask5]

I mostly play at 1080p 144hz sadly this one isnt available either

This is the site but its in greek but you can just search the mobo https://www.skroutz.gr/c/31/motherboards-mhtrikes.html?o=mobo

 

[refillable]

What I often look for motherboard:

1. The VRM Phase system. The rule of thumb is, the more the better. It is often listed in the detailed specification. If not, you can look it up in the manufacturer's site.
2. Do you need overclocking? If you are planning on overclocking, get the X boards from AMD or Z boards from Intel. Otherwise, there's no point.
3. Reliability. Check reviews on amazon, newegg, etc. On the boards that you are trying to decide. Some motherboards are more reliable than others, and it doesn't matter what brand it is from.

what are motherboard VRMs?

With that being said, my vote would be the Asrock X570 Phantom gaming. It has 10 phase VRM, has good reviews, relatively cheap, and ensures Ryzen 3000 compatibility. I don't recommend new builders with a B450 board for Ryzen 3000. X570 will last you at least next year, while Intel is known to ditch their Z370/Z390 platform next year for their upcoming CPU.

 

[kostask5]

Also ive read that the 3600 x isnt that much worth it am i right?

 

[NightHawkRMX]

Inexpensive B450 motherboards with BIOS flashback:

M-ATX:

MSI B450M Mortar 116,60 €
https://www.skroutz.gr/s/15578614/MSI-B450M-Mortar.html

MSI B450M Gaming Plus 85,40 €
https://www.skroutz.gr/s/15564885/MSI-B450M-Gaming-Plus.html

ATX:

MSI B450 Tomahawk Max 120,33 € (does not need bios updated for 3600 support)
https://www.skroutz.gr/s/19600276/MSI-B450-Tomahawk-Max.html

MSI B450 Gaming Plus Max 99,82 € (does not need bios updated for 3600 support)
https://www.skroutz.gr/s/19763511/MSI-B450-Gaming-Plus-Max.html

All MSI "MAX" motherboards are newer boards using the b450 chipset. They will allow for the 3600 to work without a BIOS update, just like an expensive X570 motherboard.

My pick from the above is the MSI B450 Gaming Plus MAX. It is 99% of the B450 tomahawk MAX, but cost less. The B450 Gaming Plus MAX will not need a bios update either.
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If you do want PCIe 4.0, here is an X570 motherboard which will work out of the box:
Asrock X570 Phantom Gaming 4 172,50 €
https://www.skroutz.gr/s/19380868/Asrock-X570-Phantom-Gaming-4.html

 

[NightHawkRMX]

Also ive read that the 3600 x isnt that much worth it am i right?

The 3600x is just a 3600 with a better cooler and slightly higher clock speed.

I would go for the 3600 due to the lower price, but the 3600x will have a better cooler and will run quieter.

Both stock coolers keep the CPUs at full turbo (or very close) and will keep the CPU at safe temperatures. The 3600s stock cooler is a little noisy and will yield high 80c temps, but this is still better than the 9700 and stock cooler.

 

[WildCard999]

Tomahawk Max.

http://www.visionstudio.gr/prodinfo.asp?id=67685&cat=3

 

[refillable]

Oh, for further explanation on why I don't recommend using a B450 (MAX or not) board for Ryzen 3000 CPUs you can look here:

https://forums.tomshardware.com/thr...50-gaming-plus-max-msi.3516842/#post-21266321

 

[NightHawkRMX]

And here's a person that recently built a build using the R5 3600+B450 gaming plus combo I suggested.

Didn't work at first since he has the non-max motherboard, but after using BIOS flashback (which didn't work at first due to an improper setup USB drive, but this issue doesnt apply to the MAX motherboards) the system works fine.

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/fresh-build-monitor-black.3517002/?view=date

 

[kostask5]

So these are the combos im considering:Firts one is gigabyte z370p D3(rev1.0) with i7 9700 at 445 euros and the second one is MSI B450 Tomahawk Max /MSI B450 Gaming Plus Max (both the same price here) with ryzen 3600 at 324 euros.Which would would most of you suggest?Im just kinda doubtful about the bios problem with ryzen.I also got an aftermarket air cooler already.