[SOLVED] Modern equivalent of ...

mikeebb

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I'm starting to look for a replacement for my olde desktop. I got the mainboard and CPU in 2009 used: Gigabyte EP35-DS3R and Core2 Extreme X9650. Over the years, added RAM to 8GB and a fair-sized SSD for boot, and GTX750ti graphics. I currently have a full-sized tower case (Ostrog) with ample ventilation so space isn't a serious constraint (full ATX board and standard p/s fit). I have a new Samsung 850 Evo 480 GB SSD available to build the system with, rotating my current Patriot Blast boot disk to backup (RAID 1?), and will replace the very old 1TB data disk with a 2TB WD Black that is also waiting in backstock. I plan on reusing the GTX 750ti for a while until the cost and hassle of the base build is settled, then upgrade in a second round.

Prefer air cooling; I currently use a Zalman all-copper cooler that barely fits the case, but works well - but I presume that cooler (for Socket 775 CPUs) won't work with newer CPUs. The old CPU is rated at 135W TDP and 65C maximum, but in the Ostrog case I've never seen it exceed 50C. The room is air conditioned, but still commonly breaks 80F during summer weather, so even at stock clock I need more than box cooling (at least for Intel - AMD?). And it has to run off of a normal 120V outlet (via APC BX1500 UPS) along with the the rest of the system, with up to a few 100 watts of other things on the same circuit. So please, don't suggest a gaming monster that requires a kw - it won't work, and I do have to pay the electric bill.

My normal use includes office work, GIS, technical, and imaging graphics, audio restoration, and flight/train simulations.

Yes, the basic system is about 15 years old (2007 vintage), but it runs Windows 10 Pro better than any other computer in the house regardless of age, at stock clock. But anyway ... it is getting old, and I'm wondering what would be a rough equivalent by today's standards. Any thoughts and suggestions?
 
I think your question is misleading. You just want a replacement, right?

What's your budget? ($800-$900 ok?)
What country are you shopping in?

I JUST put this build together for another thread. Just a jumping off point:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Walmart)
Motherboard: MSI B450M PRO-VDH MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($78.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: GeIL EVO SPEAR 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($107.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Corsair MP510 960 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($119.99 @ Corsair)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1660 Super 6 GB SC ULTRA GAMING Video Card ($239.99 @ Best Buy)
Case: Silverstone PS15 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic PRIME Ultra Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Scythe SY1425HB12M-P 97.18 CFM 140 mm Fan ($9.96 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Scythe SY1425HB12M-P 97.18 CFM 140 mm Fan ($9.96 @ Amazon)
Total: $890.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-22 19:33 EST-0500
 
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I think your question is misleading. You just want a replacement, right?

What's your budget? ($800-$900 ok?)
What country are you shopping in?

I JUST put this build together for another thread. Just a jumping off point:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Walmart)
Motherboard: MSI B450M PRO-VDH MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($78.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: GeIL EVO SPEAR 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($107.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Corsair MP510 960 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($119.99 @ Corsair)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1660 Super 6 GB SC ULTRA GAMING Video Card ($239.99 @ Best Buy)
Case: Silverstone PS15 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic PRIME Ultra Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Scythe SY1425HB12M-P 97.18 CFM 140 mm Fan ($9.96 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Scythe SY1425HB12M-P 97.18 CFM 140 mm Fan ($9.96 @ Amazon)
Total: $890.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-22 19:33 EST-0500
 
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Do you really mean equivalent? Why would you shoot for something low end now? IPC has gone up at least 25%. And it's only a 4C/4T chip. For work related tasks I do suggest a nice 2600 or 2700 which would be even better. It's a move from Intel to AMD, but the work you listed is suited for cores which is where AMD shines. A 8C/16T CPU will work wonders for what you do.
 

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PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($309.99 @ Walmart)
CPU Cooler: Scythe FUMA 2 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard ($168.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Corsair MP600 Force Series Gen4 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB GAMING Video Card ($344.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case ($98.99 @ Walmart)
Power Supply: SeaSonic PRIME Ultra Platinum 650 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1412.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-22 20:34 EST-0500


You didn't specify a budget so I went a little high end as I figured if you are going to keep it for 15 years may as well (the PSU may even last 15 years lol)
 
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Do you really mean equivalent? Why would you shoot for something low end now? IPC has gone up at least 25%. And it's only a 4C/4T chip. For work related tasks I do suggest a nice 2600 or 2700 which would be even better. It's a move from Intel to AMD, but the work you listed is suited for cores which is where AMD shines. A 8C/16T CPU will work wonders for what you do.
I'm looking for modern equivalent - not the same performance (modern performance SHOULD be much better), but the same class. So probably somewhat higher-end, gaming but not excessively so. I'm not a hard-core gamer, but do some tasks that are a little more specialized than I would expect to work well in a garden-variety i5 Dell, for instance.

EDIT: as for budget: I'd like to keep it to $800 +/- a hundred or so, in the US. I don't need storage, video, or case (at least initially - may want to go to a better GTX/RTX video later).
 
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The same build without storage, video or a case:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($309.99 @ Walmart)
CPU Cooler: Scythe FUMA 2 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard ($168.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic PRIME Ultra Platinum 650 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $778.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-22 20:56 EST-0500
 
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mikeebb

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I think your question is misleading. You just want a replacement, right?

What's your budget? ($800-$900 ok?)
What country are you shopping in?

I JUST put this build together for another thread. Just a jumping off point:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Walmart)
Motherboard: MSI B450M PRO-VDH MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($78.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: GeIL EVO SPEAR 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($107.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Corsair MP510 960 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($119.99 @ Corsair)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1660 Super 6 GB SC ULTRA GAMING Video Card ($239.99 @ Best Buy)
Case: Silverstone PS15 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic PRIME Ultra Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Scythe SY1425HB12M-P 97.18 CFM 140 mm Fan ($9.96 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Scythe SY1425HB12M-P 97.18 CFM 140 mm Fan ($9.96 @ Amazon)
Total: $890.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-22 19:33 EST-0500
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($309.99 @ Walmart)
CPU Cooler: Scythe FUMA 2 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard ($168.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Corsair MP600 Force Series Gen4 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB GAMING Video Card ($344.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case ($98.99 @ Walmart)
Power Supply: SeaSonic PRIME Ultra Platinum 650 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1412.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-22 20:34 EST-0500


You didn't specify a budget so I went a little high end as I figured if you are going to keep it for 15 years may as well (the PSU may even last 15 years lol)
Thanks! I had not thought of the Partspicker site - will check them out.
 

mikeebb

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The same build without storage, video or a case:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($309.99 @ Walmart)
CPU Cooler: Scythe FUMA 2 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard ($168.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic PRIME Ultra Platinum 650 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $778.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-22 20:56 EST-0500
Thanks. That's in my ballpark. Will do a little hunting locally to see if I can shave a little off the price. One question though (I ran into this with all of my attempts at partspicker): there's a warning about the motherboard needing an extra ATX power connector that the p/s doesn't have. I found a couple where I could ask for another connector, but it always flipped to some high-dollar, high-power p/s. Is the extra connector really needed for a normal (not high-end gpu) build? This build and the others I played with all come in at around 250W (more than my current one burns, btw) before adding storage and gpu, so I figured a 600ish p/s was needed for reasonable efficiency, and that a near-kilowatt p/s, even Gold, wasn't going to be very good at (for it) near-idle output.
 

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From our review of the wifi version of that board.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asus-tuf_gaming-x570_plus-wifi-motherboard,6273.html

Power is fed to the VRMs through a required 8-pin EPS connector, plus an optional 4-pin which will provide more than enough power for the Ryzen 3 CPU lineup. I’m not sure how overclocking would go on the beefier chips, especially the 3950X, but the TUF board held up just fine with a 3700X.
The extra 4pin is optional. You should be just fine using a more normal PSU. You'd need it if you are doing extreme OCing of I'm assuming bigger than the 3700X. So TR chips. To my knowledge the smallest PSUs with both ATX plugs are 650W. But I suspect the 750W units will be cheaper. You can get one if you want, but you'll be fine with quality 550-750W units.
 

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