Monitor in the rain

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Bought a 2nd hand monitor and when I was taking it away, it was
pouring down with rain, some of the water got into the holes of the
monitor.

Tried powering it up after letting it dry off for a couple of hours.
I get a green light but nothing on the screen.

If I leave it longer, is it likely to come back to life?
It hasn't blown up so I think it has some chance, do monitors have
some sort of safety mechanism when water goes into the electronics?
 
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You should have waited a few days before powering it up. I hope
you didn't permanently damage it.

me@privacy.net wrote:

> Bought a 2nd hand monitor and when I was taking it away, it was
> pouring down with rain, some of the water got into the holes of the
> monitor.
>
> Tried powering it up after letting it dry off for a couple of hours.
> I get a green light but nothing on the screen.
>
> If I leave it longer, is it likely to come back to life?
> It hasn't blown up so I think it has some chance, do monitors have
> some sort of safety mechanism when water goes into the electronics?
 
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> Bought a 2nd hand monitor and when I was taking it away, it was
> pouring down with rain, some of the water got into the holes of the
> monitor.
>
> Tried powering it up after letting it dry off for a couple of hours.
> I get a green light but nothing on the screen.
>
> If I leave it longer, is it likely to come back to life?
> It hasn't blown up so I think it has some chance, do monitors have
> some sort of safety mechanism when water goes into the electronics?

Argggh! You should have left it at least a couple of days -- even
a week. You screwed yourself. Recently, my brother gave me an old
television that had been sitting in his basement. I tried it out,
and it worked perfectly, but made some strange tinkling noises.
Next time I turned it on ... nothing. I figured out that it had
become damp sitting in the basement, and I hadn't let it dry out.
Scratch one television. Or on your case, one monitor.
 
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what? obviously he needs a 64 bit AMD chip to give life to that
monitor.


"JK" <JK9821@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> You should have waited a few days before powering it up. I hope
> you didn't permanently damage it.
>
> me@privacy.net wrote:
>
> > Bought a 2nd hand monitor and when I was taking it away, it was
> > pouring down with rain, some of the water got into the holes of
the
> > monitor.
> >
> > Tried powering it up after letting it dry off for a couple of
hours.
> > I get a green light but nothing on the screen.
> >
> > If I leave it longer, is it likely to come back to life?
> > It hasn't blown up so I think it has some chance, do monitors have
> > some sort of safety mechanism when water goes into the
electronics?
>
 
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me@privacy.net wrote:
> Bought a 2nd hand monitor and when I was taking it away, it was
> pouring down with rain, some of the water got into the holes of the
> monitor.
>
> Tried powering it up after letting it dry off for a couple of hours.
> I get a green light but nothing on the screen.
>

Not nearly long enough. If it wasn't dead before (I presume you tested
it before buying) you probably killed it.

> If I leave it longer, is it likely to come back to life?

No, but you've got nothing to really lose now, do you?

> It hasn't blown up so I think it has some chance, do monitors have
> some sort of safety mechanism when water goes into the electronics?

You have a fuse box in your home, right?


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On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 02:10:18 +0800, spodosaurus
<spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:

>> It hasn't blown up so I think it has some chance, do monitors have
>> some sort of safety mechanism when water goes into the electronics?
>
>You have a fuse box in your home, right?

Yeah I do have a fuse box.

I remember a couple of years ago, my sister had some house plants on
top of her TV. She watered the plant, water dripped down into the tv
and the TV switched off, worked fine the day after. Didn't blow up or
anything.

I know water and electricity don't go together but I'm wondering if
monitors/TV's have some sort of safety cut out mechanism inside.

A neighbour had a sony TV that was *not* damaged by water but, it
would come on and then go into standby. Local tv repair shop could get
it going again and get a picture but it had lines all over the screen
meaning the tube had gone.
 
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Some monitors have fuses in line check the back of case.
If water got inside bad. Take case off (not plugged in) don't touch anything
or you could get shocked from stored energy in caps and hivolt supply. Dry
with hair blower. Look for scorch marks or other indications of arcing
sparking. Fine time to look at solder connections for tube also - if dull
reflow solderconnections but don't allow them to flow together with other
points.

Try and good luck

Larry
<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 02:10:18 +0800, spodosaurus
> <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
>
> >> It hasn't blown up so I think it has some chance, do monitors have
> >> some sort of safety mechanism when water goes into the electronics?
> >
> >You have a fuse box in your home, right?
>
> Yeah I do have a fuse box.
>
> I remember a couple of years ago, my sister had some house plants on
> top of her TV. She watered the plant, water dripped down into the tv
> and the TV switched off, worked fine the day after. Didn't blow up or
> anything.
>
> I know water and electricity don't go together but I'm wondering if
> monitors/TV's have some sort of safety cut out mechanism inside.
>
> A neighbour had a sony TV that was *not* damaged by water but, it
> would come on and then go into standby. Local tv repair shop could get
> it going again and get a picture but it had lines all over the screen
> meaning the tube had gone.
>
>
 
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Larry Weak wrote:
> Some monitors have fuses in line check the back of case.
> If water got inside bad. Take case off (not plugged in)

Considering it probably was switched on just before he bought it, you
need a stronger warning about the innards of the monitor:

Opening a monitor and touching something inside that allows the
capacitors to discharge through you will hurt you, and maybe kill you.


> don't touch anything
> or you could get shocked from stored energy in caps and hivolt supply. Dry
> with hair blower. Look for scorch marks or other indications of arcing
> sparking. Fine time to look at solder connections for tube also - if dull
> reflow solderconnections but don't allow them to flow together with other
> points.
>
> Try and good luck
>
> Larry
> <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:sjttl0h692fblk7b74def0otc35gh49ffu@4ax.com...
>
>>On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 02:10:18 +0800, spodosaurus
>><spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>It hasn't blown up so I think it has some chance, do monitors have
>>>>some sort of safety mechanism when water goes into the electronics?
>>>
>>>You have a fuse box in your home, right?
>>
>>Yeah I do have a fuse box.
>>
>>I remember a couple of years ago, my sister had some house plants on
>>top of her TV. She watered the plant, water dripped down into the tv
>>and the TV switched off, worked fine the day after. Didn't blow up or
>>anything.
>>
>>I know water and electricity don't go together but I'm wondering if
>>monitors/TV's have some sort of safety cut out mechanism inside.
>>
>>A neighbour had a sony TV that was *not* damaged by water but, it
>>would come on and then go into standby. Local tv repair shop could get
>>it going again and get a picture but it had lines all over the screen
>>meaning the tube had gone.
>>
>>
>
>
>


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On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 18:41:24 GMT, Al Smith <invalid@address.com>
wrote:

>> Bought a 2nd hand monitor and when I was taking it away, it was
>> pouring down with rain, some of the water got into the holes of the
>> monitor.
>>
>> Tried powering it up after letting it dry off for a couple of hours.
>> I get a green light but nothing on the screen.
>>
>> If I leave it longer, is it likely to come back to life?
>> It hasn't blown up so I think it has some chance, do monitors have
>> some sort of safety mechanism when water goes into the electronics?
>
>Argggh! You should have left it at least a couple of days -- even
>a week. You screwed yourself. Recently, my brother gave me an old
>television that had been sitting in his basement. I tried it out,
>and it worked perfectly, but made some strange tinkling noises.
>Next time I turned it on ... nothing. I figured out that it had
>become damp sitting in the basement, and I hadn't let it dry out.
>Scratch one television. Or on your case, one monitor.


How old? If more than a decade or so, the electrolytic or paper
capacitors are suspect. I restore old radio and electronic gear and
the first thing I do with anything more than 15-20 years old is recap
the set.
 
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> Bought a 2nd hand monitor and when I was taking it away, it was
> pouring down with rain, some of the water got into the holes of the
> monitor.

I sold a monitor recently and the person tried to carry it off in the rain
but I wouldn't let them leave until I covered it up. What is it with you
people?

-McQualude
 
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>>Argggh! You should have left it at least a couple of days -- even
>>>a week. You screwed yourself. Recently, my brother gave me an old
>>>television that had been sitting in his basement. I tried it out,
>>>and it worked perfectly, but made some strange tinkling noises.
>>>Next time I turned it on ... nothing. I figured out that it had
>>>become damp sitting in the basement, and I hadn't let it dry out.
>>>Scratch one television. Or on your case, one monitor.
>
>
>
> How old? If more than a decade or so, the electrolytic or paper
> capacitors are suspect. I restore old radio and electronic gear and
> the first thing I do with anything more than 15-20 years old is recap
> the set.

This was a 20" Toshiba TV designed for use in hotel rooms. It had
a special channel tuner built into the front of it, but worked
fine as a regular television when set up properly. My
sister-in-law got a deal on a batch the Holiday Inn (or whatever)
was selling, so she bought five of them.

After the one my brother gave me refused to work, he gave me
another identical set that is working in my bedroom right now. It
also has a few quirks. Sometimes the sound disappears for no
reason at all, but by fiddling with the volume knob, I've always
been able to get it to come back. Sometimes, the set makes the
most ungodly electrical *snap* you ever heard. Like a whip crack.
Strangely enough, it doesn't do anything except momentarily make
the picture flicker.

At first when I heard it, I thought the set was going to catch on
fire or blow up ... but gradually, I've gotten used to it. It only
happens every other day when I'm playing the television. In other
respects, the Toshiba has a remarkably good picture and sound.
Much better than the 30-year old 14" Sharp set it replaced (which
is still working). The Sharp is so old, the phosphore on the
screen has almost refused to glow -- takes ten minutes before I
can see the picture well, even at full brightness.
 
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Al Smith wrote:

>>> Argggh! You should have left it at least a couple of days -- even
>>>
>>>> a week. You screwed yourself. Recently, my brother gave me an old
>>>> television that had been sitting in his basement. I tried it out,
>>>> and it worked perfectly, but made some strange tinkling noises. Next
>>>> time I turned it on ... nothing. I figured out that it had become
>>>> damp sitting in the basement, and I hadn't let it dry out. Scratch
>>>> one television. Or on your case, one monitor.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> How old? If more than a decade or so, the electrolytic or paper
>> capacitors are suspect. I restore old radio and electronic gear and
>> the first thing I do with anything more than 15-20 years old is recap
>> the set.
>
>
> This was a 20" Toshiba TV designed for use in hotel rooms. It had a
> special channel tuner built into the front of it, but worked fine as a
> regular television when set up properly. My sister-in-law got a deal on
> a batch the Holiday Inn (or whatever) was selling, so she bought five of
> them.
>
> After the one my brother gave me refused to work, he gave me another
> identical set that is working in my bedroom right now. It also has a few
> quirks. Sometimes the sound disappears for no reason at all, but by
> fiddling with the volume knob, I've always been able to get it to come
> back.

Very likely dirt/grime in the volume pot and some spray contact cleaner
might clear it up. Few squirts, rotate the pot back and forth, repeat till
clean throughout the volume range.

Or the wires to it could be loose.

> Sometimes, the set makes the most ungodly electrical *snap* you
> ever heard. Like a whip crack. Strangely enough, it doesn't do anything
> except momentarily make the picture flicker.

Not so strange. That's a high voltage arc: no wonder the picture flickers.

Again, very possible that that's caused by dirt/grime buildup on the high
voltage wiring/components (dirt/grime is not an 'insulator' at those
voltage levels). It's also possible one of the wires has shifted, or has
cracked insulation, letting it arc to something adjacent. It would be a
good idea to leave it unplugged over-night, then take the case off, and
clean the insides out (NO WATER). Also look for char marks from the spark
hits and see if adjusting the char indicated high voltage wire to a more
isolated position would help (do NOT 'attach' it to, or near, anything
metal, or the tube, or circuits).


> At first when I heard it, I thought the set was going to catch on fire
> or blow up ... but gradually, I've gotten used to it. It only happens
> every other day when I'm playing the television. In other respects, the
> Toshiba has a remarkably good picture and sound. Much better than the
> 30-year old 14" Sharp set it replaced (which is still working). The
> Sharp is so old, the phosphore on the screen has almost refused to glow
> -- takes ten minutes before I can see the picture well, even at full
> brightness.
 
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>> Sometimes, the set makes the most ungodly electrical *snap* you ever heard. Like a whip crack. Strangely enough, it doesn't do anything except momentarily make the picture flicker.
>
>
> Not so strange. That's a high voltage arc: no wonder the picture flickers.
>
> Again, very possible that that's caused by dirt/grime buildup on the high voltage wiring/components (dirt/grime is not an 'insulator' at those voltage levels). It's also possible one of the wires has shifted, or has cracked insulation, letting it arc to something adjacent. It would be a good idea to leave it unplugged over-night, then take the case off, and clean the insides out (NO WATER). Also look for char marks from the spark hits and see if adjusting the char indicated high voltage wire to a more isolated position would help (do NOT 'attach' it to, or near, anything metal, or the tube, or circuits).

Sounds like a good idea. If I can see where it is arcing by soot
deposits, I might be able to do something to stop it. It must be
dusty inside, after so many years sitting around.
 
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Al Smith wrote:

>>> Sometimes, the set makes the most ungodly electrical *snap* you ever
>>> heard. Like a whip crack. Strangely enough, it doesn't do anything
>>> except momentarily make the picture flicker.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not so strange. That's a high voltage arc: no wonder the picture
>> flickers.
>>
>> Again, very possible that that's caused by dirt/grime buildup on the
>> high voltage wiring/components (dirt/grime is not an 'insulator' at
>> those voltage levels). It's also possible one of the wires has
>> shifted, or has cracked insulation, letting it arc to something
>> adjacent. It would be a good idea to leave it unplugged over-night,
>> then take the case off, and clean the insides out (NO WATER). Also
>> look for char marks from the spark hits and see if adjusting the char
>> indicated high voltage wire to a more isolated position would help (do
>> NOT 'attach' it to, or near, anything metal, or the tube, or circuits).
>
>
> Sounds like a good idea. If I can see where it is arcing by soot
> deposits, I might be able to do something to stop it. It must be dusty
> inside, after so many years sitting around.

Not to mention that if it spent all that time in a hotel/motel room there's
no telling what all got sprayed/dripped/rubbed into it. And that's just
from the cleaning lady.
 
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> I remember a couple of years ago, my sister had some house plants on
> top of her TV. She watered the plant, water dripped down into the tv
> and the TV switched off, worked fine the day after. Didn't blow up or
> anything.

Bloody stupid place to put plants if you ask me...!!!
 
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On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 19:03:13 +0100, me@privacy.net wrote:

>Bought a 2nd hand monitor and when I was taking it away, it was
>pouring down with rain, some of the water got into the holes of the
>monitor.
>
>Tried powering it up after letting it dry off for a couple of hours.
>I get a green light but nothing on the screen.
>
>If I leave it longer, is it likely to come back to life?
>It hasn't blown up so I think it has some chance, do monitors have
>some sort of safety mechanism when water goes into the electronics?
>

I would have waited much longer to power it up, and then have a fan
blowing on it for a few days.