[SOLVED] Monitor suggestions for gaming and photo editing ?

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I have finally decided to retire my trusty Auria 27" monitor, and I would greatly appreciate any direction or even better, recommendations to replace it. I do have a second 24," BenQ BL2420-PT, but for the primary screen I'd like to stick with 27". Use includes gaming (mostly Star Citizen and SWTOR), and Lightroom. I do have budget limitations.

Thank you in advance : )
 
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Hopefully, this provides enough information to help you recommend a few alternatives.

You forgot to add monitor resolution (1080p, 1440p/2K, 4K) but budget alone doesn't make the list long.
Here are some options, where all monitors are 27", 144 Hz (or more), 1ms response time and VA panel.

1080p;
Philips 272E1GSJ - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FNYJLWV
LG UltraGear 27GQ50F-B - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09V7D96TK

1440p;
Dell S2722DGM - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B095V23PTM
ViewSonic VX2718-2KPC-MHD - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08DLC9HBG
Asus TUF Gaming VG27WQ1B - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B088MKHW7M

Barely out of budget, 1440p;
Samsung Odyssey G5 C27G55T -...

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Budget?

And other criteria?
For other criteria, here's an example of my criteria, for good monitor to my build (1080p).

Size: 24", 27" or 32" (1080p does well on 24" and 27", 1440p does well with 27" and 32")
Ultrawide: No
Refresh rate: 144 Hz (or up)
Response time: 1ms
contrast ratio: min 3000:1
TN, IPS or VA panel: VA
Color Gamut: never considered that
Curvature: 1500R or less
VESA mount: Yes. Preferably 100mm and 120mm all in one
Input port: Display Port
HDR: I don't mind it
Internal speakers: Don't need them
How many USB ports: Don't use monitor USB ports, so, i don't care
Headphone out: Don't use that either
G-Sync: Neat thing if you have Nvidia GPU but increases monitor price considerably
Price: If it's good, i'm willing to pay premium price
Brand: MSI, Asus

Note: These above are my personal preferences and may not align or even match yours. Take them as a guideline to look for a monitor.

For photo editing purposes, i suggest VA panel, since that has great contrast ratio (deep, rich blacks), compared to TN and IPS panels.
 

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Thank you for the incredibly comprehensive reply. Going through your criteria, I am thinking that I don't really know what I don't know. : )

Budget: $250 - $300
Size: I have been using an older Auria 27" display with a 2nd (BenQ BL2024PT) I think that the BenQ is quite superior to the Auria. At any rate I would prefer to have the primary be 27" unless budget issue.
Ultrawide: No
Refresh rate: 144 Hz (or up) - I am told that this is important to reduce flicker and shuddering.
Response time: 1ms - I suppose this is important, but I never really researched it.
contrast ratio: min 3000:1 - ??
TN, IPS or VA panel: VA - I have read that this type of display is preferred for photo editing, but I do not know if it is for gaming.
Color Gamut: never considered that - Important for editing with respect to printing, but not a deal breaker.
Curvature: 1500R or less - No idea,; not sure if I would want a curved display
VESA mount: - No idea what this is.
Input port: Display Port - Yes
HDR: I don't mind it - agree
Internal speakers: Don't need them - same
How many USB ports: Don't use monitor USB ports, so, i don't care - same
Headphone out: Don't use that either - same
G-Sync: Neat thing if you have Nvidia GPU but increases monitor price considerably - if I upgrade my GPU it will most likely be a Radeon
Price: If it's good, i'm willing to pay premium price - Depends upon what 'premium' equates to
Brand: MSI, Asus - Hopefully, you will guide me here.

Hopefully, this provides enough information to help you recommend a few alternatives.

Much thanks
 

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As I am thinking about this, perhaps the 'best' solution is to not try and get a monitor that is good for both gaming and photo editing, I am fairly sure my BenQ monitor is targeted for the photo editor. Perhaps, find a monitor that is tailored to gaming? Does that simplify this at all? Is the BenQ I own a good editing screen?

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Hopefully, this provides enough information to help you recommend a few alternatives.

You forgot to add monitor resolution (1080p, 1440p/2K, 4K) but budget alone doesn't make the list long.
Here are some options, where all monitors are 27", 144 Hz (or more), 1ms response time and VA panel.

1080p;
Philips 272E1GSJ - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FNYJLWV
LG UltraGear 27GQ50F-B - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09V7D96TK

1440p;
Dell S2722DGM - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B095V23PTM
ViewSonic VX2718-2KPC-MHD - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08DLC9HBG
Asus TUF Gaming VG27WQ1B - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B088MKHW7M

Barely out of budget, 1440p;
Samsung Odyssey G5 C27G55T - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FF3F5HR

Only LG and Philips are flat, rest are curved.
Curvature actually makes reading stuff easier, since when sitting at proper distance, monitor curvature follows eye's view curvature. Also, curvature helps a bit to immerse in games (makes the game look more spatial).

27" is better with 1440p monitor than with 1080p monitor. Since depending on your sitting distance, you could see individual pixels on 27" screen with 1080p reso.

Higher refresh rate (144 Hz vs 60 Hz) doesn't remove stutters (that's GPU issue). But it does lessen/remove flickers and screen tearing (that is, if FPS is less than monitor refresh rate). But biggest impact is that high refresh rate makes movements smoother, without ghosting. This is especially noticeable in fast paced games (FPS, racing).

Response time is how fast monitor responds to your inputs. The lower it is - the less latency there is and overall experience (gaming) is smoother and snappier.

VESA mount is universal mount to fasten the monitor to monitor arm. E.g this one from Arctic,
specs: https://www.arctic.de/en/Z2-3D-Gen-3/AEMNT00057A

I have a plan to buy the very same one i linked, but haven't got that far, yet.

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There are 3x kinds of monitor panels: TN, VA and IPS. Actually there are more (variations of the main three) but i focus on these main ones.

TN panel is oldest of the three and also cheapest. Where TN panel excels is it's performance, most notably response time (1ms).
Though, TN panel also has it's downsides. Prominent ones are: poor color accuracy (washed out colors), very narrow view angle and poor contrast ratio (max 1000:1).

Gaming wise, TN panel monitor is best suited for fast-paced games (FPS, racing etc), where you don't care as much about pretty colors as you do about smoothness of movements.

IPS panel has been around for some time and is also the most expensive of the three.
Where IPS panel excels is it's color accuracy, which is the best of the three. Also, it has widest viewing angles of the three.
But where IPS panel falls short is response time. IPS technology by design can't be any faster than 4ms (compared to the 1ms most TN panels are). Another area where IPS panel falls short is it's poor contrast ratio which is equal to a TN panel (max 1000:1), despite it's great color accuracy. This is most prominent when looking at black image and where black isn't black but instead gray or some form of blue. Refresh rates aren't IPS panel strong side either and many IPS panels are 60Hz, especially on higher resolutions. There are some 1440p 165Hz and 4K 120Hz IPS panel monitors out there but they are few and far apart, also costing a fortune.

Gaming wise, IPS panel monitor is best suited for slow-paced games (RPG, strategy etc), where you have time to see all those pretty colors and where smoothness of movements isn't that important.

VA panel is the newest of the three and price wise, it falls between TN and IPS. VA panel was created to take the best of both worlds (TN and IPS) and combine them.
Where VA panel excels is it's contrast ratio (min 3000:1), where you'd see the deepest and richest blacks. Also, it doesn't fall short on other aspects as well. VA panel color accuracy isn't as good as it is for IPS panel but it's close to the levels of IPS panel (considerably better than TN panel). It's viewing angle is also a notch smaller than that of an IPS panel but again, considerably better than that of a TN panel. Refresh rate wise, VA panel is more capable on different resolutions than IPS panel. Response time is another area where VA panel does good. While VA panel can't naturally be any faster than 4ms (just like IPS panel), it can achieve the magical 1ms response thanks to the software solution in it.
With VA panel monitors making waves lately, there aren't any major downsides of them. Availability used to be issue but not anymore.

Gaming wise, VA panel monitor is suited for all kinds of games. VA panel is like Jack of all trades but master of none (except when it comes to contrast ratio, there, VA panel is king).

I am fairly sure my BenQ monitor is targeted for the photo editor.

Yeah, BenQ marketing does say that and while it does have IPS panel, it also has poor contrast ratio: 1000:1,
specs: https://www.benq.eu/en-eu/monitor/professional/bl2420pt/spec.html

Now, i'm pretty sure that you haven't had VA panel monitor before, and thus have no idea how good of a contrast ratio they have. To put things into perspective, here's an example image about different contrast ratios;

Left - 3000:1
Right - 1000:1

Good_and_Bad_Contrast_small.jpg


Now, image on the right, when viewed alone, doesn't look that bad. But it doesn't look great either. While image on the left looks superb.

I also do quite a bit of image editing as my hobby and i used to have TN panel monitor. After i upgraded my monitor to VA panel (MSI Optix MAG241CR), i was stunned on how deep and rich all blacks were. :D Sure, my new VA panel monitor is also curved, more than double the refresh rate (60 Hz -> 144 Hz), 1ms response time but to me, contrast ratio difference was biggest change. And my hobby of image editing became far better, since now i could tell far better about differences between different shades of gray.

I suggest that you read monitor reviews as well, before buying one. I narrowed the selection down for you (monitors listed above).
 
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@Aeacus, Wow, what can I say - a primer in monitor functionality, thank you.

After reading your response, I have a quick question: Are you suggesting that my BenQ monitor is not necessarily the best for image editing? Clearly, I am not totally following you.

I will spend some time reading reviews of those you suggested.....
 
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Yes.

Your BenQ is IPS panel. Sure, it has great color accuracy, but it lacks on contrast ratio. Meaning that when it comes to blacks (e.g shadows), it displays them at poorer colors than image itself is.

Ouch, so it is not great for gaming nor photo editing....that hurts. I already own the BenQ; Its got to be better than a gaming screen for photo editing...no?

If not then perhaps the criteria for me has changed.....what monitor is good for both? I realize this is a compromise, but perhaps better than what I have for both gaming and editing.

Thanks
 
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In your case, and if you're going to use your BenQ + new monitor in dual-monitor setup, i suggest getting VA panel monitor for photo editing. Once you have VA panel monitor in place, then you can look if gaming is better on VA panel or on your IPS panel (BenQ). In terms of color accuracy, there would be little difference between the two, whereby you could come to conclusion that VA panel is better for gaming as well.

But if you plan to only use single monitor, i'd suggest getting new VA panel monitor for both tasks.
 

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In your case, and if you're going to use your BenQ + new monitor in dual-monitor setup, i suggest getting VA panel monitor for photo editing. Once you have VA panel monitor in place, then you can look if gaming is better on VA panel or on your IPS panel (BenQ). In terms of color accuracy, there would be little difference between the two, whereby you could come to conclusion that VA panel is better for gaming as well.

But if you plan to only use single monitor, i'd suggest getting new VA panel monitor for both tasks.

Thanks for getting back to me; I think we're getting closer. You are suggesting using the BenQ for gaming? Really? Ok, could you please recommend a monitor or two for editing? One 'minor' downside of using the BenQ for gaming is that its 24" and certainly not fast.

And Plan B is a single monitor for both tasks. Again, I would appreciate if you could you please recommend a couple of monitors? If this is possible both function-wise and budget-wise I seem to favor this solution. I would then use the BenQ just as a side screen.

And thanks very much for your patience and expertise. : )
 
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You are suggesting using the BenQ for gaming? Really?

Not exactly.

What i said, was when you get yourself a new monitor, use both at the same time (dual monitor setup) and decide for yourself, on which monitor the gaming feels and looks better.

Ok, could you please recommend a monitor or two for editing?

What's wrong with the ones i suggested above? :unsure:
 

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Not exactly.

What i said, was when you get yourself a new monitor, use both at the same time (dual monitor setup) and decide for yourself, on which monitor the gaming feels and looks better.

Ah, ok...I misunderstood you...sorry.

What's wrong with the ones i suggested above? :unsure:

Perhaps nothing....I felt that we (I) changed the goal somewhat...from strictly a gaming monitor to one that could do both gaming and photo editing. If you are suggesting that one of the four you recommended up front are still quite good, then great! Any one a preference; unfortunately both the Dell and Samsung are no longer available? Alternatives?

What if I increased budget for dual use display to $350ish?
 
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If you are suggesting that one of the four you recommended up front are still quite good, then great! Any one a preference?
Asus TUF Gaming VG27WQ1B looks good.
In-depth review: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/asus/tuf-gaming-vg27wq1b

What if I increased budget for dual use display to $350ish?

Not much would change, only 1 additional monitor to suggest.

I already suggested this, slightly over 300 bucks.

Another one would be:
AOC CQ27G2 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0862YHJ56

And if you want to go all out, then almost 500 bucks gets you:
Samsung Odyssey G7 LC27G75T - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B088HJ4VQK

At 500 bucks range, you can get 32" and 34" monitors as well.
 

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Asus TUF Gaming VG27WQ1B looks good.
In-depth review: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/asus/tuf-gaming-vg27wq1b



Not much would change, only 1 additional monitor to suggest.


I already suggested this, slightly over 300 bucks.

Another one would be:
AOC CQ27G2 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0862YHJ56

And if you want to go all out, then almost 500 bucks gets you:
Samsung Odyssey G7 LC27G75T - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B088HJ4VQK

At 500 bucks range, you can get 32" and 34" monitors as well.

Thanks....

As I noted above the Samsung G5 and Dell are no longer listed for sale....Yeah, $500 is a bit too far.

One more question and I will try to not wear out my welcome; Is the extra money ($60) for the AOC worth it over the ASUS in functionality...for both gaming and editing?

One additional note: if you were to suggest a monitor just for gaming (Star Citizen and SWTOR) would it still be the Asus and aoc?
 
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One more question and I will try to not wear out my welcome; Is the extra money ($60) for the AOC worth it over the ASUS in functionality...for both gaming and editing?

Overall, Asus is better. Just compare reviews.
Linked Asus review earlier.
Here's AOC review: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/aoc/cq27g2

One additional note: if you were to suggest a monitor just for gaming (Star Citizen and SWTOR) would it still be the Asus and aoc?

Asus is better, since it has HDR and also refresh rate up to 165 Hz. AOC doesn't have HDR and has refresh rate 144 Hz.
Other differences you can read from reviews.
 
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