Monster of Legend Template Broken?

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Looking through the MM2 (page 213 for reference), I was intrigued to
find that the Monster of Legend template only had a CR increase of +2.
I think it is way overpowered, although DMs would rarely allow players
to use the template, the creature being chosen by a god and all. Not
being a veteran, as most people here, I ask for your opinion on this
matter. I list below the template's features, for further discussion.

HD set to d8 (if lower than that, otherwise keep the original)
Natural AC +5
Slam, Bite, Claw and Gore attacks
Special Attacks:
Breath Weapon(Su)
Frightful Presence(Ex)
Raging Blood(Su)
Divine Spells
Special Qualities:
DR 10/+1
Enhanced Attributes
Fast Healing 5hp/round
Greater Damage(Ex)
Haste(Su)
Immunities
Reflective Hide
Regrow Limbs
See in Darkness
Spell Resistence 10+1/2xHD
Subtype
Base Save Increase +3
Abilities Increase: Str +10, Dex +6, Con +10, Int +2, Wis +2, Cha +4
Improved Initiative and Multiattack feats

CR *only* +2

 

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The Prophet wrote:
> Looking through the MM2 (page 213 for reference), I was intrigued to
> find that the Monster of Legend template only had a CR increase of +2.
> I think it is way overpowered, although DMs would rarely allow players
> to use the template, the creature being chosen by a god and all.

Okay, first of all, CR does NOT equal LA. If the template has no LA
attached, players aren't meant to be able to choose it in any case. If
there _is_, it's certainly going to be higher than +2.

> Not being a veteran, as most people here, I ask for your opinion on
> this matter. I list below the template's features, for further
> discussion.
>
> HD set to d8 (if lower than that, otherwise keep the original)
> Natural AC +5
> Slam, Bite, Claw and Gore attacks
> Special Attacks:
> Breath Weapon(Su)
> Frightful Presence(Ex)
> Raging Blood(Su)
> Divine Spells
> Special Qualities:
> DR 10/+1
> Enhanced Attributes
> Fast Healing 5hp/round
> Greater Damage(Ex)
> Haste(Su)
> Immunities
> Reflective Hide
> Regrow Limbs
> See in Darkness
> Spell Resistence 10+1/2xHD
> Subtype
> Base Save Increase +3
> Abilities Increase: Str +10, Dex +6, Con +10, Int +2, Wis +2, Cha +4
> Improved Initiative and Multiattack feats
>
> CR *only* +2

Assuming all that is correct (I don't have access to the MM2 right
now), I agree. I'd give this maybe a +4 CR or so.

Laszlo

 

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> Okay, first of all, CR does NOT equal LA. If the template has no LA
> attached, players aren't meant to be able to choose it in any case. If
> there _is_, it's certainly going to be higher than +2.

Thank you for that information. I seem to have had the picture messed
up in my mind. Glad I turned to more experienced players/DMs before
judging the whole thing as uneven.

 

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The Prophet wrote:
> > Okay, first of all, CR does NOT equal LA. If the template has no LA
> > attached, players aren't meant to be able to choose it in any case. If
> > there _is_, it's certainly going to be higher than +2.
>
> Thank you for that information. I seem to have had the picture messed
> up in my mind. Glad I turned to more experienced players/DMs before
> judging the whole thing as uneven.

No problem, happy to help.

You're not the only one confused about similar concepts. There is, in
fact, a pretty nice explanation of the terms in the 3.5 D&D FAQ. You'll
find it here:

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/Main35FAQv08242005.zip

Check out pages 3 and 4. Most of these issues are explained quite well.

Laszlo