More info On AlienWare's VideoArray

Just a quick blurb by Xbit about the new video array.

<A HREF="http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20040519040727.html" target="_new">http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20040519040727.html</A>

Nothing to surprising in the info, but at least it answeres the software issues. While they say it won't need vendor support in their drivers I can easily see this as being a "Fixed in this Release" issue for both nV and ATI at some point.

Previous threads about Alienware's solution;

<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=399025#399025" target="_new">1</A>
<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=399078#399078" target="_new">2</A>
<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=399166#399166" target="_new">3</A>


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And a few pics from DarkCrow;

<A HREF="http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/image/news/0405/ava01.jpg" target="_new">Graphical Explanation</A>
<A HREF="http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/image/news/0405/ava02.jpg" target="_new">View of the exterior</A>
<A HREF="http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/image/news/0405/ava04.jpg" target="_new">WideShot of Liquid Cooled Solution</A>
<A HREF="http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/image/news/0405/ava03.jpg" target="_new">A Little Bit closer now with the Single CPU air cooled model</A>
<A HREF="http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/image/news/0405/ava05.jpg" target="_new">Pic of Connectors [nothing special]</A>

Watercooled rig looks intriguing, but expensive! Interesting it doesn't seem to be plugged into the proprietary hub, so perhaps you will be able to use them independantly (just a guess).


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Personally I think it went without saying that the two graphics cards wouldn't need software support. But it is nice to see it confirmed. What I'd really like to know is whether they have applied a simelar setup for the dual CPUs on the motherboard. It would only make sense that they have but yet theres been little talk on that aspect of it and no implications have been made. It would seem rather silly to me to have a computer specificly designed for gamers that supports dual CPUs when only one of the CPUs will actually be used in games. If the CPUs do end up working simelar to the way the graphics slots do then that would be one mighty gaming rig for sure.

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Theres something about running water threw the middle of a computer with power supplys and circuit boards that turns me off from the idea.

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lol, yeah really. Will you get your money back if it ends up being faulty and you die from electricution. Cause if it kills me then I really want my money back.

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Sounds stupid and wastefull. It would have been cheaper and easier to come up with a dual GPU card rather than using 2 cards for 1 monitor.

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Do you really think it would have been cheaper and easier for a non-graphics card maker to come up with a dual GPU card? I think they did do the cheapest and easiest thing myself. Maybe not cheaper for the consumer though. From a technological standpoint I think they did the easiest and most practical thing a company selling gaming rigs could have done. It deffinitly puts them a large notch above their competitors for having the most powerful computers.

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Well it does offer a little more flexibility IMO. If you can support two cards independantly, then that would mean potentially 4 monitors. Also you could start with one card, and as it ages pop in a second one to increase performance.

I'm just hoping for the mult monitor possibilites, always have been.


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I doubt they'd unify the CPUs, but that's a possibility too. I would think it for the games that support multi-procs/threading, like UT2K4 and Q3 IIRC.

I would think that's another layer of complexity to add to the mix.



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Just found their launchpage with Video courtesy of TechTV (or now G4TechTV :frown: ), there's also a basic FAQ, no mention of combining CPU power;

<A HREF="http://www.alienware.com/alx_pages/main_content.aspx" target="_new">http://www.alienware.com/alx_pages/main_content.aspx</A>

800Watt PSU! :eek:


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Considering there are already companies making dual 9700 Pro cards, I do think that, if they wanted to share the workload between multiple processors, they could have more easily and cheaply contracted such a company to produce cards to their own specifications that do what they want.

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Yes, but server/workstation boards will probably have PCI-Ex x4 slots, which will probably be fast enough for your second or third video card.

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Yeah, but the slots won't be big enough. You wouldn't be able to physically fit a 16X in a 4X. I wish, as that's what I was looking for, but nope. And early on no one is even offering 4X, mainly 16x and a bunch of 1X. The dedicated server boards I have seen with a few 4X and a few 1X have no Graphics 16X slots.

So until they provide those 1X and 4X cards later (might never happen), this is the best solution I see for what I want to do. But I do agree, one 16x plus one 4X would likely do the trick.


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Thanx for the link.

I find it funny they say it increases 'overall' performance by up to 77%, when they have evidence that it can increase PARTS of 3Dmk03's performance by 100%. I'm surp[rised they didn't highlight box that part.

Very interesting, and could offer some interesting new 3Dmk03 top scores if they are accepted as 'official'. The only reason I say 'IF' is depending on Futuremark's rules/guidelines, and whether their detection software will accept this as FM certified results.

Could be an interesting time for benchmarking. I'd still love to see one in action though. PErsonally I've always prefered elegance over raw power, but this could be quite and intriguing solution if two quieter cards like an R9600P/XTs could outperform the louder and more powerful R9800XTs.

Something to keep an eye on definitely.

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I'd just like to add that I'm quite disturbed by the 800Watt PSU requirement. Let's see... I can run my computer or... my refrigerator. There's got to be a more power efficient way to do this.
 

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Where do you see any mention of an 800W PSU?? 550W should be plenty unless the system is really filled....in which case 650W should be plenty. Granted, those are still rediculously high amounts of power, but it won't be THAT bad.

I'm sure the only reason why they were using them in the demo was because they wanted to maintain stability on a largely prototype system. Expect the final version to be much more efficient (even if the 800W PSU is still used).

Besides, the cooling that some people use to cool their puter (to get the same performance as the ALX X2) uses MORE energy than a refrigerator. This solution will be VERY niche...Dell won't be offering it anytime soon.

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with a 800watt psu I'd be afraid to blow out a fuse everytime i turn the computer on. Jeez I'd also be afraid of my electric bill :)

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Where do you see any mention of an 800W PSU??
It's in the video, eh! :tongue:

Look at the link half way down the thread, there are now 2 videos but it's the video from E3 done by TechTV/TheScreenSavers, the other is an ad.

Rememebr it's 2 top of the line VPUs/GPUs and 2 XEONS (IIRC), plus a mess of raided drives and a swack of memory, so it's really not that surprising. Perhaps you could get away with ~650W , but I would think even that would be inviting trouble when OC'd etc, and also likely limit upgrading somewhat.

But if you are willing to fork out for this, I doubt Power Bills are a big concern. :wink:


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I still can't imagine that much power being necessary....I guess with watercooling it could rack up that much usage.

Oh well, maybe I'm in denial.

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