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Hi all -

Ok, finally, after playing for several months and
amassing a somewhat valuable set of items for trade
I'm wondering what you "gurus" think about :

1) Is trading items going for "the best item possible"?

2) Is trading going for "the best deal possible"?

3) Is trading just for what you want or need
regardless of the potential "value" of an item?

4) Isn't "value" just player specific?


If I don't play Zons, then what is really the
value of a Windforce to me? If I don't play
necros, what's really the value of a PnB GC?

Thanks!

Scratchy
 
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Scratchy wrote:
> Hi all -
>
> Ok, finally, after playing for several months and
> amassing a somewhat valuable set of items for trade
> I'm wondering what you "gurus" think about :
>
> 1) Is trading items going for "the best item possible"?
>

Yes.

> 2) Is trading going for "the best deal possible"?
>

Yes

> 3) Is trading just for what you want or need
> regardless of the potential "value" of an item?
>

Yes.

> 4) Isn't "value" just player specific?
>

Yes.

>
> If I don't play Zons, then what is really the
> value of a Windforce to me? If I don't play
> necros, what's really the value of a PnB GC?

Well, you really don't want to trade a Windy for a Berserker's Axe, even if
you have no need for the bow. 🙂

Buuuttttt, at various times I've done all of what you've suggested--trading
depends a lot on your specific wants/needs at a specific *time*, and also
depends a lot on whether or not you *like* trading. Some do, some don't--I
don't.

Once I traded an Occy for Iratha's gloves--a trade that would probably have
most hardcore traders, and softcore too, for that matter, jumping up and
down and hollering to the high heaven about me getting taken in a "noob"
trade. But I had about 5 Occys stashed, had a lowlevel that was really
equipment-deprived, since I don't normally mule much lowlevel stuff, and I
really wanted to complete Iratha's set for the character.

Ergo, I considered it a good trade, and I'm sure whoever it was got the Occy
thought it was a *really* good trade and that I was an idiot to boot, lol.

Bottom line is, if you're happy with a trade, then it's a "good" trade, IMO
and probably in the opinion of most here. But before making an obviously
"bad" trade, first at least try to consider your future needs and what else
you might get for a particular item--however, if it's *really* those
Iratha's gloves you want then go right ahead and drop that Occy for them.
--
chainbreaker

If you need to email, then chainbreaker (naturally) at comcast dot
net--that's "net" not "com"--should do it.
 
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scratchatitch@yahoo.com (Scratchy) wrote in message news:<d6de4750.0412010803.1a159f17@posting.google.com>...
> Hi all -
>
> Ok, finally, after playing for several months and
> amassing a somewhat valuable set of items for trade
> I'm wondering what you "gurus" think about :

I agree with chainbreaker's post. Everyone approaches trading
differently and what you value in a trade is very user specific. I
rarely mule and hate to trade. Usually if I find something I don't
need I give it away for free. For example, I've given away occy's,
baranar's, and hellslayer before for chipped gems and blue scimitar's,
simply because they were wasting space in my stash.

-Jason
 
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In article <d6de4750.0412010803.1a159f17@posting.google.com>,
Scratchy <scratchatitch@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Ok, finally, after playing for several months and
>amassing a somewhat valuable set of items for trade
>I'm wondering what you "gurus" think about :

Well, I'm not a guru, but I can try to give my opinion to your
questions/remarks below.

>1) Is trading items going for "the best item possible"?

Well, I try to get better items through trading away the items I don't
need. But it's not the best item per-se.

Also, a lot of the items I trade away I do for pgems or runes. The lower
items (which is about 95% of the items you can find) is not worth much
more than a few pgems at most. It's only a select few items which are
worth more (i.e. runes).

For me, the main currency in the game is runes, but only those above about
Lem, maybe a tad lower. Pgems are used for smaller trades, but can also be
used to trade for 'bigger' things. There are some basic exchange rates for
pgems vs runes, which differ slightly per realm. I can only vouch for the
Europe SoftCore Ladder realm, where:

Pul rune ~= 20 Pgems
Um rune ~= 40 PGems
Mal rune ~= 80 pgems

and here it gets a bit diffuse: if you offer 60 to 75 pgems, people will
trade you a Mal too, if they need the pgems. The higher runes give more
options for shaving off a few pgems.

At around Ist you can get a Stone of Jordan (unique ring).

But there are items which are sold for tens of the high runes (being about
Jah Ber Cham and up)

>2) Is trading going for "the best deal possible"?

Well, that's part of it, but if you just need or want a certain item, I'd
say, go for it.

A trade is fair when both parties have a good feeling about it, and that's
the bottom line.

>3) Is trading just for what you want or need
> regardless of the potential "value" of an item?

If you need something, and chances of find it are low, feel free to trade
for it. (If you have something of equal value to trade for it of
course...)

And if you can get a nice deal on an item you don't really need, but which
is very popular (Harlequin's Crest, Tal Rasha's Amulet, Herald of Zakarum,
etc, etc), why not?

>4) Isn't "value" just player specific?

Well, partly, but that's ignoring the market forces which are in play. I
mean, just like in the real world, it's the market that more or less
dictates what something cost. You might feel a Roll Royce car is not worth
500.000 EUROs (or dollars), but that doesn't mean you can buy one for your
perceived value (which might be just a few EUROs/dollars).

>If I don't play Zons, then what is really the
>value of a Windforce to me? If I don't play
>necros, what's really the value of a PnB GC?

I'm not really sure what the current value (in runes) is of a Windforce; I
hear some wildly different stories about it's value, ranging from about
Pul to maybe something like Ist.

On SC EUR Ladder, a plain P&B GC is worth a Mal.

And a Mal can be traded for some quite nice, other items, but I can't give
any examples since you don't say which character types you DO play... :)

>Thanks!
>
>Scratchy

I'm not really sure what you wanted to know/ask, but I hope the aboves
helps you...

Regards,

Patrick.
 
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"Scratchy" <scratchatitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Ok, finally, after playing for several months and
> amassing a somewhat valuable set of items for trade
> I'm wondering what you "gurus" think about :
>
> 1) Is trading items going for "the best item possible"?
>
> 2) Is trading going for "the best deal possible"?
>
> 3) Is trading just for what you want or need
> regardless of the potential "value" of an item?
>
> 4) Isn't "value" just player specific?


In real life, there are (or have had) two kinds of trading: one is
"barter", in which you exchange what you don't need or have excess for
what you need; the other kind is monetary trade, in which you steal your
female coworkers' lingerie and sell 'em on eBay to pay for WoW
subscriptions.

When Blizzard made the game, apparently they had in mind "barter", ie,
item for item. The system it is now has far gone beyond it. People
have developed currencies (SOJ/gems in 1.09, runes/gems now) to extend
it into monetary trade.

Like in real life, no single trader (buyer/seller) is alike. Some will
rip the hell out of you, some will pay a premium for
merchandises/services because they want it badly, some don't care about
how fair or beneficial it is.

Therefore I am unable to answer any of your questions above. It all
depends on the people you are dealing with, as well as yourself.

Bing